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RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - reeay - 07-27-2013
And how many times have you thought about your financial situation and how many times did you receive checks?
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Spaced - 07-27-2013
to be honest, it's when I stopped thinking about it that the cheque came
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-27-2013
(07-27-2013, 07:56 PM)Spaced Wrote: to be honest, it's when I stopped thinking about it that the cheque came
That's a technique chaos magicians use in regards to sigils. Apparently forgetting the desire empowers it for whatever reason. It's something I'm still trying to figure out.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Spaced - 07-27-2013
(07-27-2013, 07:58 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(07-27-2013, 07:56 PM)Spaced Wrote: to be honest, it's when I stopped thinking about it that the cheque came
That's a technique chaos magicians use in regards to sigils. Apparently forgetting the desire empowers it for whatever reason. It's something I'm still trying to figure out.
it's because the attachment to the idea of having your desire met paradoxically serves as an obstacle to your desire being met, because that attachment comes with the worry that it will not be met.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-27-2013
You are wise, my friend.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Raz - 07-27-2013
This thread is a very intresting read, you guys are awsome
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - zenmaster - 07-27-2013
(07-27-2013, 08:01 PM)Spaced Wrote:(07-27-2013, 07:58 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(07-27-2013, 07:56 PM)Spaced Wrote: to be honest, it's when I stopped thinking about it that the cheque came
That's a technique chaos magicians use in regards to sigils. Apparently forgetting the desire empowers it for whatever reason. It's something I'm still trying to figure out.
it's because the attachment to the idea of having your desire met paradoxically serves as an obstacle to your desire being met, because that attachment comes with the worry that it will not be met.
But it's not a paradox. All desire has a binding quality, regardless of purity of intent. You can think of it as an expression of love (a la M. Ficino). When there is rapprochement in thought and design, then provisions are made for the magical circumstance. It's simply that if the object of desire is some metaphor or allegory for a disassociated aspect of self, then the energy goes toward emphasizing that limited self-reference. How could it be any other way?
In other words, before there is worry, there is something lost or disowned. Any request must also be referencing and addressing the same position of abandonment.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - BrownEye - 07-27-2013
(07-27-2013, 07:56 PM)Spaced Wrote: to be honest, it's when I stopped thinking about it that the cheque came
My inter dimensional buddy described how Source deals with your intent. He described it like placing an order. You give the details and send it in. Source then works within the consensus reality to bring it to you.
He says the problem with most people is that they keep thinking about what they want, which has the effect of 'resetting' the order and starting all over from the beginning. This is not his belief, this is simply how the function was described to him while visiting the other side.
I have experience with this, yet I find blatant results if emotion is used and the energy is directed to a specific recipient. My personal experience was through the archangels. That there is some almost scary power.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-27-2013
BrownEye, what's exactly happening when something takes awhile to manifest? Is it necessarily the order not being received?
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - BrownEye - 07-27-2013
It is always received. There are also issues of whether it aligns with purpose.
I was aware of something blocking my leaving the country. I found that I needed more training before I would be allowed to leave. This is the same issue I am having with deep trance. They pull me up the instant I get there. This should give you an idea of how we sometimes are required to take certain action first. I cannot see this as the same for everybody. It would be dependent on why they are here and whether they be on a path.
Something that will have a possible effect. It could be that you need to integrate certain information before you can arrive or place yourself in front of what you want. In this case our own beliefs can self sabotage with a buildup of dark energy at the crown. This blocks new information from coming in to be assimilated.
Sort of like you want to win the lottery, but you are unknowingly blocking higher intuition from letting you know when and where to be to receive a winning ticket.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Hototo - 07-27-2013
Well to be technical your thoughts, your emotions, and your society together create your reality but since you are, in turn, your thoughts your emotions and your society, you create your reality.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - anagogy - 07-27-2013
(07-27-2013, 07:58 PM)Adonai One Wrote: That's a technique chaos magicians use in regards to sigils. Apparently forgetting the desire empowers it for whatever reason. It's something I'm still trying to figure out.
It's all about resistance, or lack thereof, Adonai.
If a massive boulder did not resist your push with an equal and opposite reaction, it would take almost no effort to move it.
When your focus, desire, will, or intent is resistance free, it effortlessly manifests.
It's about the purity of the vibration. Pure faith is a utilization of indigo ray, and is non-contradicted focus. A condition quite rare in this density, as this level of consciousness inherently has a lot of resistance built into the perspective, due to the "complex" nature of our mind/body/spirits.
On the other hand, you may be thinking positively about your goals, yet there is still some resistance, so its manifestation is slowed.
When you desire something, and then forget it completely, you send out a signal or vibrational offering, and Source is matching the signal, and you are not offering any perceptible resistance (because you are no longer thinking about it), so it manifests.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Parsons - 07-28-2013
(07-27-2013, 07:27 PM)rie Wrote: In-action is also a form of action. Action may be many things. In this instance it is more than mere mind-action but actually going out there or putting self out there to open doors and creating opportunities, not sitting in one's room intending a $3,000 check to be dropped off in my mailbox.
This is blatantly obvious to anyone who is at all familiar with how thoughts create your reality.
This thread seems to be steering towards thinking which offers no constructive criticism and throwing the baby out with the bathwater in thinking that thoughts never create our reality. This denies our divinity as co-creators.
Actually, I was thinking exactly what Tanner stated before he voiced his opinion:
Tanner Wrote:This person has clearly attempted methods of manifestation and not been successful but has found it successfuly by arranging the method according to the understanding they have of their own psychology. An interesting perspective, valid, but seems to be filled with some resentment. Blessings to this one on their journey.
It seems the person who wrote the article was extremely solar plexus oriented and tried extremely specific manefestations and (of course) failed. They then turn around and try to 'save' us with their words trying to debunk it.
This mistake is common among newbies who first start resonating with the basic concept of thoughts creating your reality. Rather than continue to try to work on this new ability, this person seems to try to deny or 'debunk' the whole concept, then relabel it.
Anyways, I feel it is not helpful to my path as I already know how that works. They can choose to believe whatever they want.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - reeay - 07-28-2013
(07-28-2013, 12:07 AM)Parsons Wrote:(07-27-2013, 07:27 PM)rie Wrote: In-action is also a form of action. Action may be many things. In this instance it is more than mere mind-action but actually going out there or putting self out there to open doors and creating opportunities, not sitting in one's room intending a $3,000 check to be dropped off in my mailbox.
This is blatantly obvious to anyone who is at all familiar with how thoughts create your reality.
Yes but would a person watching Oprah and reading The Secret know? The article was mainly a critique of The Secret and the simplistic crap they sold.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Parsons - 07-28-2013
But isn't it a good thing to introduce a much larger audience to the concept that then can use their own discernment and intuition to expand further on the concept? If it reaches just one person who actually fully gets the concept, isn't it a success?
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - zenmaster - 07-28-2013
Leaders introducing confusing notions into society with regards to understanding the nature of self and philosophical/ethical principles is a failure, not a success, no matter how well intentioned and sincerely offered. It's a form of escapism or finger pointing. Due to lack of experience, the unconscious of the would-be initiate is incapable of discerning only resonating with what empowering notions may be evoked from the finger pointing. However, real decisions are then made based on fantasy. These decisions necessarily affect self and society.
Generally, the ethical idea would be to promote concepts which aid "polarization". Magical thinking is indeed pathological and yet enhusiastically supported by some new western subcultures.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - reeay - 07-28-2013
Why not meditate instead.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - zenmaster - 07-28-2013
Through intuition, our minds get to taste something of the higher vibration before we may be prepared to make use of it. It's always a vague notion. Feeling lost and disempowered, people may readily accept promising "shortcuts" such as these vague notions to help avoid confrontation with their present responsibility for assessment and ownership of self. As rie said, why not meditate, and I'd add with a more grounded intention so that lower may evolve to support upper vibrations in a more balanced and less corruptible manner. Why unnecessarily cheat yourself and society?
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-28-2013
The principles of the mind are simple. Bringing the mind back to its principles is difficult.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - zenmaster - 07-28-2013
(07-28-2013, 02:14 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The principles of the mind are simple. Bringing the mind back to its principles is difficult."There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind, no act of service to self or others which does not bear a price, to the entity manifesting, commensurate with its purity".
"In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle."
It is impossible to reside (or "vibrate") at the last sub-plane using such magical thinking - due to thought's necessary reliance on ego gratification/projections which correspond with and are centered at the (space/time-unharvestible) lower levels of energy influx. "What the Bleep", "The Secret", "zeitgeist", etc...
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - reeay - 07-28-2013
When I think of magical thinking I think of a our need for control and mastery, too (along with personal responsibility) which could get us stuck in the self empowerment/disempowerment trap. When someone says, 'I know how this universe works and I can instantly change anything I want', this could be turned into a question - why do I want to know how this universe work and want to change as I will things to change? Wouldn't this be more of utility in deepening our seeking to know self? Why do I want to be powerful/empowered (bc that kind of suggests that the other end of the spectrum is also at work somewhere in the mind).
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-28-2013
This just seems to be a discussion of ego vs. non-ego, left-hand vs. right-hand.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - reeay - 07-28-2013
Does your left hand know what the right hand is doing? lol
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-28-2013
Yes, yes it does.
When I meditate, my head feels tilted from the left. Ends up most of my energetic body is focused there, lol.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Unbound - 07-28-2013
Left-hand path can be ego-less... and the right hand can be full of ego.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - Adonai One - 07-28-2013
Ego used as a pejorative is simply one unaware of the all-self. Used in the universal sense of the single "I", the single awareness... Ego is not so bad when it doesn't deny parts of itself.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - zenmaster - 07-28-2013
(07-28-2013, 05:49 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Ego used as a pejorative is simply one unaware of the all-self. Used in the universal sense of the single "I", the single awareness... Ego is not so bad when it doesn't deny parts of itself."ego" as the common pejorative connotation suggests is the direct byproduct of an unfortunate mistranslation from eastern teachings about the nature of the self. But westerns just took it for granted and ran with it, and still do.
The idea of imbalance is not "ego" as itself, but rather the dysfunctional relationship of self and ego. That is, that which the ego does (or can, or must do), not the ego itself is what we pathologize. If we saw a healthy ego, many would not tend to point out this ego (or I-ness), yet this would be a stronger, more developed, and more aware ego - go figure.
Your thoughts do create reality, stupid. - C-JEAN - 07-31-2013
Hi, all thinkers!
Quote:. . .You do not create your own reality.
Your thoughts do not create your reality either. . .
Sooooo, WHAT creates the **"placebo effect"** ??
That's the ultimate example of mind/though acting on matter !!
And another example is: "the random generators !!
Blue skies.
RE: Your Thoughts Do Not Create Your Reality, Stupid. - AnthroHeart - 07-31-2013
I've never received checks out of the blue, but I did have my mortgage paid for 4 months when I was on disability, so I don't have a mortgage payment till October. And I still get paid the same, except when I was on disability it was 60% of base salary. Still with my mortgage being paid for, it more than made up for it.
RE: Your thoughts do create reality, stupid. - reeay - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 01:33 PM)C-JEAN Wrote: Sooooo, WHAT creates the **"placebo effect"** ??
That's the ultimate example of mind/though acting on matter !!
Placebo effect is more about our perceptions that influences our physical and psychological states. Placebo effect is a self-fulfilling prophecy that changes the brain chemistry to produce more endorphins, thus we 'feel better' or our 'pain level decreases'. It is not quite the same type of manifestation but a fulfillment of certain expectations that our minds are anticipating.