(05-10-2013, 10:14 PM)untilbeyond Wrote: If the negatives don't get a decent harvest, it's a problem for positives. So that's my main point that's
never come up to my awareness in Ra/loO discussions.

Quote:25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of when the— what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.
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67.10 ▶ Questioner: We have a paradoxical situation in that in order to fully serve the Creator at this level in the polarized section, you might say, of the Creation, we have requests, from those whom we serve in this density, for Ra’s information. In fact, I just had one by telephone a short while ago. However, we have requests from, in this particular case, another density not to disseminate this information. We have the Creator, in fact, requesting two seemingly opposite activities of this group. It would be very helpful if we could reach a condition of full, total, complete service in such a way that we were by every thought and activity serving the Creator to the very best of our ability. Is it possible for you to solve, or possible for the fifth-density entity who offers its service to solve, the paradox that I have observed?

Ra: I am Ra. It is quite possible.

67.11 ▶ Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly of the Creator, rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

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87.6 Questioner: Would you expand upon the concept of the acquisition of polarity by this particular entity, its use, specifically, of this polarity other than the simple, obvious need for sixth-density harvest if this is possible, please?

Ra: I am Ra. We would. The nature of the densities above your own is that a purpose may be said to be shared by both positive and negative polarities. This purpose is the acquisition of the ability to welcome more and more the less and less distorted love/light and light/love of the One Infinite Creator. Upon the negative path the wisdom density is one in which power over others has been refined until it is approaching absolute power. Any force such as the force your group and those of Ra offer which cannot be controlled by the power of such a negative fifth-density mind/body/spirit complex then depolarizes the entity which has not controlled other-selves.

It is not within your conscious selves to stand against such refined power but rather it has been through the harmony, the mutual love, and the honest calling for aid from the forces of light which have given you the shield and buckler.

(05-13-2013, 03:54 PM)untilbeyond Wrote: Instead of the word harvest, we could adapt the word graduation, and use the metaphor of finishing high-school and having numerous choices
associated with that rite of passage. What we've done is analogous to going back to high-school after graduating college. And pretending like we never went to college.

Quote:For what purpose?

Same as any other polarization. The play and display of the universe requires polarization. The anti-conscious forces present us with challenge which we use for our growth and development. That's a vital function, so it's built into nature.

(05-13-2013, 05:05 PM)Charles Wrote: The Harvest / Graduation / Ascension / Transition / Soul Growth Opportunity is still happening and has Not Failed.

(04-10-2013, 05:47 PM)Charles Wrote: Individually we each create our own lives, but as a massive group we need agreement to create our world.

Some of us expected SOMETHING wonderful Dec.21,2012 . . . Something as simple as all weaponry no longer working; Or clean and bountiful water freely available for all people; Or clean air to breathe all over the planet . . . . Something Was Expected.

Some of us expected SOMETHING horrible Dec.21,2012 . . . Something as simple as earthquakes and tsunamis; Or new and painful diseases causing a massive number of torturous deaths all over the planet; Or total apocalypse . . . . Something Was Expected.

Some of us, the Mass Communal Mind of most of us, expected absolutely nothing. The massive group mind won.

I believe the window remains open. "Time" isn't real, so it seems to me that this transformation will be one soul at a time.

One soul here . . one soul there . . radiating a peaceful joy, loving and allowing others to be as they are with balanced patience, lightening up each room they enter . . . . And slowly, surely, spreading this light around. Teaching by example, or with words, that love, and joy, and human unity, is achievable and fun.

One soul becomes thousands, becomes millions, becomes billions . . . . Becomes The Mass Communal Mind of most of us . . . . Becomes Massive Harvest.

Meanwhile the Mass Majority 3D Human Mindset is: We are each separate individuals. Our bodies deteriorate as we grow older. The boss must be obeyed. The very wealthy are to be respected. Heavy weaponry keeps you safe. Only my religion is correct, all others go to hell. You get the idea.

We have our work cut out for us.

We also know that the Illuminati own the world financially, and own each government, and are well versed in black magic. They own (among other things) the MSM which exerts powerful mind control. They know what they are doing.

Light is power. Darkness is the absence of Light. We also know what we are doing, we are spreading Light.

So long as we know that we are very powerful beings, and that our minds manifest . . . We should also know that we cannot afford negative thinking. It effects our personal lives, it effects humanities future, and it effects our planets health.

Quote:89.29 Questioner: What was the attitude prior to harvest of those harvestable entities of Ra with respect to those who were obviously unharvestable?

Ra: I am Ra. Those of us which had the gift of polarity felt deep compassion for those who seemed to dwell in darkness. This description is most apt as ours was a harshly bright planet in the physical sense. There was every attempt made to reach out with whatever seemed to be needed. However, those upon the positive path have the comfort of companions and we of Ra spent a great deal of our attention upon the possibilities of achieving spiritual or metaphysical adepthood, or work in indigo ray, through the means of relationships with other-selves. Consequently, the compassion for those in darkness was balanced by the appreciation of the light.

89.30 Questioner: Would Ra have the same attitude toward the unharvestable entities or would it be different at this nexus than at the time of harvest from the third density?

Ra: I am Ra. Not substantially. To those who wish to sleep we could only offer those comforts designed for the sleeping. Service is only possible to the extent it is requested. We were ready to serve in whatever way we could. This still seems satisfactory as a means of dealing with other-selves in third density. It is our feeling that to be each entity which one attempts to serve is to simplify the grasp of what service is necessary or possible.

(05-17-2013, 01:54 AM)xise Wrote: ... basically when someone comes to you for spiritual advice repeatedly, agrees with the advice, then ignores it, all the while doing something to upsets you ("right" conversations), man that s*** is some catalyst for real..:/

Quote:40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

Quote:13.22 Questioner: What is the density level of our planet Earth at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest.

13.23 Questioner: How does a third-density planet become a fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question.

The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.

Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with the present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.

Quote:63.21 Questioner: Now, are there any inhabitants at this time of this fourth-density sphere who have already gone through this process. Is it now being populated?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct only in the very, shall we say, recent past.

Quote:63.20 ▶ Questioner: OK. Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

63.21 ▶ Questioner: Now, are there any inhabitants at this time of this fourth-density sphere who have already gone through this process. Is it now being populated?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct only in the very, shall we say, recent past.

63.22 ▶ Questioner: I would assume this population is from other planets since the harvesting has not occurred yet on this planet. It is from planets where the harvesting has already occurred. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

63.23 ▶ Questioner: Then are these entities visible to us? Could I see one of them? Would he walk upon our surface?
Ra: I am Ra. We have discussed this. These entities are in dual bodies at this time.

63.24 ▶ Questioner: Sorry I am so stupid on this, but this particular concept is very difficult for me to understand. It is something that I’m afraid requires some rather dumb questions on my part to fully understand. I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand, but [inaudible] even get a grasp of it.

Then as the fourth-density sphere is activated there is heat energy being generated. I assume this heat energy is generated in the third-density sphere only. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct. The experiential distortions of each dimension are discrete.

63.25 ▶ Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?
Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true-color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

Quote:14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now, at this time, to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions towards longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

14.15 Questioner: Going back to the start of this 75,000-year period, there was the harvesting 25,000 years after the start, which would make it 50,000 years ago, I would assume. Can you tell me how many were harvested from our planet at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest was none.

14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago? Was there a harvest then?
Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, were those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities which now were to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity. (this maybe the relevant part you are looking for as to explaining how to do what you did and how to get back from what you did)

14.17 Questioner: Then the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who could have been harvested to the fourth density remained here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Thus, there was no harvest, but there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into fourth dimension.

14.18 Questioner: Then for the last 2,300 years you have been actively working to create as large a harvest as possible at the end of the total 75,000-year cycle. Can you state with respect to the Law of One why you do this, just as a statement of your reasons for this?
Ra: I am Ra. I speak for the social memory complex termed Ra. We came among you to aid you. Our efforts in service were perverted. Our desire then is to eliminate as far as possible the distortions caused by those misreading our information and guidance. The general cause of service such as the Confederation offers is that of the primal distortion of the Law of One, which is service. The One Being of the creation is like unto a body, if you will accept this third-density analogy. Would we ignore a pain in the leg? A bruise upon the skin? A cut which is festering? No. There is no ignoring a call. We, the entities of sorrow, choose as our service the attempt to heal the sorrow which we are calling analogous to the pains of a physical body complex distortion.

(05-17-2013, 08:57 AM)Wai Wrote: This has occurred many times whenever I teach, and not only in spiritual matters. I will get so frustrated when I have to keep repeating the same point and yet the student never learns and continues to repeat the same mistake.

(06-25-2013, 10:38 AM)untilbeyond Wrote: I get the impression that intelligent infinity has some type of mandate or bogey for how much negative harvesting is needed to maintain balance and learning opportunities on higher densities. So many of the extremely negative people are psychopaths.

(06-29-2013, 12:32 PM)Philosoraptor Wrote: The harvest/graduation is an ongoing process rather than a calendar event (which is why the "December 21st 2012 Ascension" failed—and why many other fixed future "ascension" dates will undoubtedly fail). This should be absolutely clear by now to everyone in this forum.

This isn't 5th-density harvest. This is 3rd-density. Look back to the 2nd-to-3rd density transition, if you will. It took a few hundred years for 2nd-density to fully transit to a 3rd-density environment with the appropriate type of vehicles. This isn't much different. It will take time. Granted, the higher the density the more "instantaneous" the graduation process will be (i.e. higher vibratory rate, greater awareness, more immediate transition to new vehicular forms). However, this is 3rd-density graduation. You would do well to remember that.

The time of transition here is dependent upon the rapidity of growth of the 3rd-density population at large in relation to its willingness/desire to move from a 3rd-density mindset/lifestyle to welcome, adopt and live under 4th-density awareness (with all the changes this implies, mental/emotional as well as physical). It must be understood, and indeed appreciated in loving acceptance, that many/most still enjoy and desire to live under 3rd-density conditions. This is acceptable.

Quote:Now, in a metaphysical sense, this planetary sphere has already entered the green-ray vibratory spectrum; ergo, the planet is in its very, very early stages of 4th density already. Therefore: the transition is already on its way (although it may take some 100-700 years/planetary rotations around its sun for 4th density to be fully established).

PS: Perhaps you should also do well to consider that these frail 3rd-density physical vehicles typically become non-functional within 60-80 years. The process of death/rebirth will gradually change the playing field, so to speak, so that within 1 or 2 generations less and less non-graduating entities will be cycling on this sphere and more and more will be early 4D graduates (and, of course, those graduating to 4D negative will be joining another more appropriate planetary experience elsewhere, and will thus be, for all intents and purposes, "removed" from this planet).