(07-12-2010, 09:30 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: The receiving entities of the negative theosophical advances had used their own free will to accept these views.

Quote:They were not forced upon them.

Quote:There are actually almost 7 billion people on the planet.

Quote:The point is that the free will of the receiving entities is guarded; meaning a fleet of negative crafts can't land and enslave the entire planet. I'm thankful it's in place.

Quote:uestioner: I would like to ask, considering the free will distortion of the Law of One, how can the Guardians quarantine the Earth? Is this quarantine within free will?
Ra: I am Ra. The Guardians guard the free will distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on this planetary sphere. The events which required activation of quarantine were interfering with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit complexes.

Questioner: I may be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be the free will of, say the Orion group, to interfere. How is this balanced with the information which you just gave?
Ra: I am Ra. The balancing is from dimension to dimension. The attempts of the so-called Crusaders to interfere with free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their understanding. However, the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation. Thus, in order to balance the dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine, this being a balancing situation whereby the free will of the Orion group is not stopped but given a challenge. Meanwhile, the third group is not hindered from free choice.

Questioner: Could these “windows” that occur to let the Orion group come through once in a while have anything to do with this free will balancing?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Could you tell me how that works?
Ra: I am Ra. The closest analogy would be a random number generator within certain limits.

Questioner: What is the source of this random number generator? Is it created by the Guardians to balance their guarding? Or is it a source other than the Guardians?
Ra: I am Ra. All sources are one. However, we understand your query. The window phenomenon is an other-self phenomenon from the Guardians. It operates from the dimensions beyond space/time in what you may call the area of intelligent energy. Like your cycles, such balancing, such rhythms are as a clock striking. In the case of the windows, no entities have the clock. Therefore, it seems random. It is not random in the dimension which produces this balance. That is why we stated the analogy was within certain limits.

Questioner: Then this window balancing prevents the Guardians from reducing their positive polarization by totally eliminating the Orion contact through shielding. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In effect, the balancing allows an equal amount of positive and negative influx, this balanced by the mind/body/spirit distortions of the social complex. Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion.

Questioner: In this way, total free will is balanced so that individuals may have an equal opportunity to choose service to others or service to self. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: So at the start of this 75,000 year cycle we know that the quarantine was fully set up. I am assuming then that the Guardians were aware of the infringements on the free will that would occur if they didn’t set this up at that time and therefore did it. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially incorrect. The incorrectness is as follows: those entities whose third-density experience upon your Red Planet was brought to a close prematurely were aided genetically while being transferred to this third density. This, although done in a desire to aid, was seen as infringement upon free will. The light quarantine which consists of the Guardians, or gardeners as you may call them, which would have been in effect was intensified.

Questioner: Since it was not perceived it was not necessary to balance this. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. What is necessary to balance is opportunity. When there is ignorance, there is no opportunity. When there exists a potential, then each opportunity shall be balanced, this balancing caused by not only the positive and negative orientations of those offering aid but also the orientation of those requesting aid.

(07-12-2010, 10:22 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: Very nice Unity, and may our perspectives contrasting teach more of the ideals that we perceive.

However, if there were not a quarantine in place than the free will would be even more heavily infringed upon; so, I still vote for this quarantine to be in place as I do not believe the 'war of the worlds' scenario is an event I wish to experience.

Peace brother!

Here is the reasoning as in-depth as I could find it -

Quote:Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

(07-12-2010, 10:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

(07-12-2010, 11:18 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: Very good point; however, what are you trying to assume we get rid of?

The veil?

OR

The Quarantine?

I think the Quarantine should be in place if the veil is in place, but if the veil is not place or is dampened quite a bit the the Quarantine should be lifted.

(07-12-2010, 11:59 PM)airwaves Wrote:

(07-12-2010, 10:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

Calm yourself dear

If their teachings or direct help through wandering help even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

All is well, and it shall indeed end well. Whenever that may be.

L/L

(07-13-2010, 12:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(07-12-2010, 11:18 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: Very good point; however, what are you trying to assume we get rid of?

The veil?

OR

The Quarantine?

I think the Quarantine should be in place if the veil is in place, but if the veil is not place or is dampened quite a bit the the Quarantine should be lifted.

veil should go away. hampering natural flow of creation, is, unwise at best.

with veil gone, there will be no need for quarantines, for there will not be a negative polarity.

with the wisdom we already collectively garnered from this octave as a universe, we already know how to approach many things in a very balanced fashion, and, also, we are probably much more able to discern the preference of individual entities in regard to the influxes. i think with the current level we achieved in regard to researching individualization, separation, practice of spirituality in hard and tough conditions, and the minimum standards for evolution and life we have discovered, we can possibly arrange quite elaborate distribution schemes of entities to planets and locales according to their preferences. which would make them evolve and progress in the manner of their choosing, and also therefore account for their free will.

actually this is what i suspect the universe or, the galaxy is heading towards.

(07-12-2010, 11:59 PM)airwaves Wrote:

(07-12-2010, 10:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

Calm yourself dear

If their teachings or direct help through wandering help even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

All is well, and it shall indeed end well. Whenever that may be.

L/L

ok then, lets destroy earth. and maybe entire universe too. this can possibly teach at least one mars/maldek straggler not to destroy the planet s/he is living in.

and because all is well, and it shall indeed end well, whenever that may be, there will be nothing lost. and because we will have helped even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

(07-13-2010, 10:18 AM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: And even if the entire Illusive universe created from light is destroyed, everything will still be alright.

Quote:How can you say our logos failed? Look at the sheer beauty of everything - the trees, the birds, those precious experiences filled with unspeakable joy and love. How can this be a failure? Is not the point to learn about love?

Quote:I think it's a success. And if the veil is so powerful than would not the entities who graduate be much more intelligible than those of other logoi's creations with less of a veil?

(10-26-2010, 05:23 PM)Biu_Tze Wrote: Sounds like quite a task

(10-26-2010, 05:23 PM)Biu_Tze Wrote: Sounds like quite a task, not sure why somebody would want to do that, well actually, I guess I could conceive a few ideas.. I hope you don't succeed! but good luck either way

(10-26-2010, 05:32 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: LOL! That was my thought, too. Sounds like a lot of work just to prove a point.

(10-26-2010, 05:47 PM)Aaron Wrote: The question is, Unity, in doing that action, are you acting in line with your higher self or your smaller self? i understand you're just trying to prove a point, but I'm talking hypothetically as well.

No matter what happens, everything HAS to "be ok" in the larger sense of things, because there is only ONE universe (the word universe falls short of the concept I want to convey there) for things to be in. There is only ONE infinity and some of the distortions of it, in the smaller sense of things, are a sense of "not going to be ok" or "wrong action being taken".

So, to summarize, big picture = all ok, also known as unity or balance. Small picture = either ok or not ok, also known as duality. From our small perspective, there is certainly the possibility that things can go horribly "wrong". i.e. massive loss of life such as destruction of a planet, or lengthy enslavement of entities such as we're familiar with. In duality, we can label these things as good or bad. In unity, we don't label them because that way of thinking only exists in duality.

If you blast this planet off and turn it into spacedust, massive loss of life would occur. Bad, right? On another level, it's just information that was once structured in one place being scattered to re-structure itself over amounts of time that we can't fathom. On another level, it's just potential being re-distributed.

Does that get to the heart of what you're proposing?

unity100 Wrote:it doesnt get into the heart of what im proposing. everything is either ok, or not ok.

if you say 'higher self etcetc', than that means everything is not ok, because there is the 'higher self' etc etc.

if, everything is 'ok', it doesnt matter what someone does, and that includes going against one's higher self or etc.

(10-27-2010, 11:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: i dont 'insist' on everything is either ok, or not ok. there is a viewpoint that says 'everything is ok because everything is gonna be ok in the end'. you can see it in this page and preceding pages of this thread.

but, upon querying, it turns out that there are apparently things that are not 'ok' to do, for some reason. yet, that perspective holders still insist on everything being 'ok'.

now, at this point, there is either a case, or another case.

if one says 'everything is ok' but objects to a group of people destroying an entire planet, or doing something else, it means that, everything was not 'ok', at that given point.

and, if there are things that shouldnt be done, then it means that 'everything is not ok'.

this is not something that has any kind of middle road. there are either 'should not's, or there are not. its not about the degree of the 'should not'. a 'should not' may be not destroying a planet, or it may be not eating too much.

its not about the weight/importance of what should not be done. its about whether there are things that shouldnt be done or not.

(10-27-2010, 03:47 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: I agree with you, and would interject my understanding that everything is okay, and there really is nothing that "should not be done".

Consider Mars and Maldek. Both planets were rendered uninhabitable by their 3D inhabitants. But still, they were given another chance to advance and evolve and even potentially destroy another beautiful planetary Logos. Everything will work out fine in the end, but that is not to say that everything will be rosy along the way if we follow that path.

Quote:One thing I've always found interesting is just how minimal (cosmically) are the repercussions for destroying an entire planet (talk about infringing upon free will)! The price ultimately paid by those of Maldek for their actions was about 700,000 years in a knot of fear, followed by a few hundred thousand years as 2D beings performing karmic restitution. Wow, is this Logos lenient or what! After that, the entities were ready to join another major cycle of 3D, and hopefully graduate less than a million years behind their class. Not a bad deal, I'd say.

(10-27-2010, 06:04 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Well when you put it like that...

unity100 Wrote:after maldek and mars incidents, there were apparently other incidents on this planet, there is a sinking of mu, the reasons werent given to us by Ra. and there is the issue of atlantis. these people have upsetted the axis of this planet, and probably would destroy it. we dont know how mu sank, it is possible that it was another similar result.

(10-27-2010, 11:50 PM)Poffo Wrote:

unity100 Wrote:after maldek and mars incidents, there were apparently other incidents on this planet, there is a sinking of mu, the reasons werent given to us by Ra. and there is the issue of atlantis. these people have upsetted the axis of this planet, and probably would destroy it. we dont know how mu sank, it is possible that it was another similar result.

According to Ra, apparently it wasn't based on anything overtly negative:

"It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own."

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