(08-29-2012, 07:31 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The perfectly balanced entity also has free will. It could choose to respond to a situation with something other than love.

(08-29-2012, 07:31 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The way I see it, in third density the choice is made not once for all time but moment by moment. Each moment we choose anew.

(08-29-2012, 09:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Considering there is no 3D lesson a perfectly balanced entity could possibly learn whatsoever in any possible situation, all possible 3D experience would be fully recognized. This means that in no case would it or could it be coming from a place of less than complete balance and awareness, and so of love.

(08-29-2012, 09:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: If the focus is on 'universal love' then that is what needs balancing in the particular individual.

(08-29-2012, 10:58 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The love in the moment may be love in the sense of the second distortion.

(08-28-2012, 09:57 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: The fact that the Logos is also Love explains, by the way, the common spiritual teaching that you are already enlightened and that there is no need to seek it.

You can only seek what you do not have, but since you are all, your seeking must mean that you do not realize that you already have it. Hence, in finding, you always find what was already there. Enlightenment is really just a joke, but you think it's totally serious until you get there.

(08-29-2012, 12:50 PM)Confused Wrote: I do not understand this. Is it possible for you to explain, please? Love and second distortion?

Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom.

(08-29-2012, 12:58 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Sure. Ra uses the word "love" to refer both to fourth density and to the Logos (second distortion):

Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom.

(08-29-2012, 07:31 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The perfectly balanced entity also has free will. It could choose to respond to a situation with something other than love.

(08-29-2012, 12:58 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-29-2012, 12:50 PM)Confused Wrote: I do not understand this. Is it possible for you to explain, please? Love and second distortion?

Sure. Ra uses the word "love" to refer both to fourth density and to the Logos (second distortion):

Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom.

(08-29-2012, 03:54 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Perhaps it would perceive choice in the same way one would perceive a known illusion.

(08-29-2012, 05:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Do you think that we as m/b/s complexes in 4D will automatically have lesser distortion towards love? Is that the nature of 4D? Or do we start 4D exactly where we are when we leave 3D?

My take is that if our choice is sufficient, when we walk the steps of light, it removes distortion, depending on how far we go. So as we're being harvested, distortion is being reduced, and vibration being raised.

(08-29-2012, 06:20 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-29-2012, 03:54 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Perhaps it would perceive choice in the same way one would perceive a known illusion.

Do you see free will as an illusion, because there is only the One?

(08-29-2012, 07:58 PM)Patrick Wrote: Ra used the phrase "...by desire, to seek the keys to unknowing".

(08-29-2012, 05:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Do you think that we as m/b/s complexes in 4D will automatically have lesser distortion towards love? Is that the nature of 4D? Or do we start 4D exactly where we are when we leave 3D?

(08-29-2012, 05:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: My take is that if our choice is sufficient, when we walk the steps of light, it removes distortion, depending on how far we go.

(08-29-2012, 05:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So as we're being harvested, distortion is being reduced, and vibration being raised.

Gemini Wolf Wrote:Do you think that we as m/b/s complexes in 4D will automatically have lesser distortion towards love? Is that the nature of 4D? Or do we start 4D exactly where we are when we leave 3D?

My take is that if our choice is sufficient, when we walk the steps of light, it removes distortion, depending on how far we go. So as we're being harvested, distortion is being reduced, and vibration being raised.

(08-29-2012, 08:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: So Austin, do you think it's possible to maintain an unveiled state in third density?

(08-29-2012, 06:20 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Do you see free will as an illusion, because there is only the One?

Quote:82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

Quote:81.30 Questioner: You stated earlier that toward the center of this galaxy is what, to use a poor term, you could call the older portion where you would find no service-to-self polarization. Am I correct in assuming that this is true with the other galaxies with which Wanderers from Ra have experience? At the center of these galaxies only the service-to-others polarity exists and the experiment started farther out toward the rim of the galaxy?

Ra: I am Ra. Various Logoi and sub-Logoi had various methods of arriving at the discovery of the efficiency of free will in intensifying the experience of the Creator by the Creator. However, in each case this has been a pattern.

(08-29-2012, 10:37 PM)Confused Wrote:

(08-29-2012, 06:20 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Do you see free will as an illusion, because there is only the One?

I do not know whether free will is an illusion or not. However, I think the concept of what we know as free will has a form of flexibility that works in correlation in terms of the distance away from the centers of consciousness, with the great central heart (One Infinite Creator?) being the highest form of the locus.

Quote:82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

In other words, free will allows refinement.

Quote:81.30 Questioner: You stated earlier that toward the center of this galaxy is what, to use a poor term, you could call the older portion where you would find no service-to-self polarization. Am I correct in assuming that this is true with the other galaxies with which Wanderers from Ra have experience? At the center of these galaxies only the service-to-others polarity exists and the experiment started farther out toward the rim of the galaxy?

Ra: I am Ra. Various Logoi and sub-Logoi had various methods of arriving at the discovery of the efficiency of free will in intensifying the experience of the Creator by the Creator. However, in each case this has been a pattern.

(08-29-2012, 10:23 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I don't fully understand what adepthood entails...

Quote:75.23 Questioner: I am sorry for my confusion. Sometimes, as you say, sound vibration complexes are not very adequate.

You made the statement in a previous session that the true adept lives more and more as it is. Will you explain and expand more upon that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. Each entity is the Creator. The entity, as it becomes more and more conscious of its self, gradually comes to the turning point at which it determines to seek either in service to others or in service to self. The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.

The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator.

(08-29-2012, 08:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: So Austin, do you think it's possible to maintain an unveiled state in third density?

(08-30-2012, 08:57 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-29-2012, 08:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: So Austin, do you think it's possible to maintain an unveiled state in third density?

Jesus seems to have been able to for some stretches of time at a time.

Quote:83.15 Questioner: Is the veil supposed to be what I would call semi-permeable?

Ra: I am Ra. The veil is indeed so.

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Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

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The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.

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Category: Before the Veil

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

(08-30-2012, 09:14 AM)Vasistha Wrote:

(08-30-2012, 08:57 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-29-2012, 08:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: So Austin, do you think it's possible to maintain an unveiled state in third density?

Jesus seems to have been able to for some stretches of time at a time.

Quote:83.15 Questioner: Is the veil supposed to be what I would call semi-permeable?

Ra: I am Ra. The veil is indeed so.

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Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

....

The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.

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Category: Before the Veil

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Those are the main reason why the veil is never fully penetrated in 3D, at least on this planet. This is counter-productive.

(08-30-2012, 09:35 AM)Patrick Wrote: Indeed and in Jesus' case he had a special authorization from the Guardians to execute his mission on Earth. At least that is what I understood from the Q'uo channelings talking about the subject of Jesus and the veil.

(08-30-2012, 09:42 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-30-2012, 09:35 AM)Patrick Wrote: Indeed and in Jesus' case he had a special authorization from the Guardians to execute his mission on Earth. At least that is what I understood from the Q'uo channelings talking about the subject of Jesus and the veil.

How do you know this? Was it from Q'uo?

Quote:17.11 Questioner: Yes. What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth came from the Confederation before incarnation here?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fourth density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fourth density, representing the fourth-density understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.

(08-30-2012, 09:42 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-30-2012, 09:35 AM)Patrick Wrote: Indeed and in Jesus' case he had a special authorization from the Guardians to execute his mission on Earth. At least that is what I understood from the Q'uo channelings talking about the subject of Jesus and the veil.

How do you know this? Was it from Q'uo?