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RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - Bring4th_Austin - 06-29-2012
(06-29-2012, 07:16 PM)ShinAr Wrote:(06-29-2012, 12:53 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-29-2012, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: What makes one event more outstanding or even beneficial than another is the effort to make the information channeled available to other fields as well. When one takes the initiative to accomplish this, it is not their being used as an instrument of transmission or reception, it is their effort to communicate the revelations to a broader audience that makes them special.
I don't really agree that this is what makes Carla and/or L/L Research so special. Lots of people take the initiative to make the information they channel available to others. In my opinion, what makes Carla and L/L special is the quality of the information they offer.
How do they have anything to do with the information that is given to them other than that they pass it on to others? Are you saying that they have manipulated the information to add some sort of their own quality or characteristic in some way?
I agree with you that the information they have gained is of high quality, but that is simply because of the channel they connected with.
I also agree that not all channels are able to connect with such valuable sources of information. And there are also many charlatans about. But that does not change the fact that as Ra said, the channels are merely instruments of the process.
You would have to disagree with Ra, not me, in your supposition.
In your original comment, when you said "the effort to make the information channeled available to other fields as well," did you mean their presentation of the information without imposition of their own personalities?
I see many, many channels eager to offer the information that they channel freely available to others. I don't necessarily think that the simple fact that this information is offered to others is what makes the channeling event outstanding. I agree that the service of offering the information freely is very commendable, but when this information is distorted and rife with the personality of the channeler/group, would you agree it is equally outstanding as the Ra material?
RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - Unbound - 06-29-2012
We seek within.
RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - βαθμιαίος - 06-29-2012
(06-29-2012, 07:16 PM)ShinAr Wrote: How do they have anything to do with the information that is given to them other than that they pass it on to others? Are you saying that they have manipulated the information to add some sort of their own quality or characteristic in some way?
I am saying that the quality of their seeking attracted a high-quality source.
As Ra put it,
Quote:37.3 ...Firstly, the choosing of this group to do some work to serve others was of an intensive nature. Each present sacrificed much for no tangible result. Each may search its heart for the type of sacrifice, knowing that the material sacrifices are the least; the intensive commitment to blending into an harmonious group at the apex of sacrifice. Under these conditions we found your vibration. We observed your vibration. It will not be seen often. We do not wish to puff up the pride, but we shall not chaffer with the circumstances necessary for our particular contact. Thus you have received and we willingly undertake the honor/duty of continuing to offer transmissions of concepts which are, to the best of our abilities, precise in nature and grounded in the attempt to unify many of those things that concern you.
Secondly, the use you make of these transmissions is completely at your discretion. We suggest the flowing of the natural intuitive senses and a minimum of the distortion towards concern. We are content, as we have said, to be able to aid in the evolution of one of your peoples. Whatever efforts you make cannot disappoint us, for that number already exceeds one.
RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - Unbound - 06-29-2012
We find it amusing and strange how the Source and the movement of the Source are seen to be as different things. No matter the tesselations, we are all One in endless dance.
RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - Shin'Ar - 06-30-2012
(06-29-2012, 08:03 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:(06-29-2012, 07:16 PM)ShinAr Wrote:(06-29-2012, 12:53 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-29-2012, 08:42 AM)ShinAr Wrote: What makes one event more outstanding or even beneficial than another is the effort to make the information channeled available to other fields as well. When one takes the initiative to accomplish this, it is not their being used as an instrument of transmission or reception, it is their effort to communicate the revelations to a broader audience that makes them special.
I don't really agree that this is what makes Carla and/or L/L Research so special. Lots of people take the initiative to make the information they channel available to others. In my opinion, what makes Carla and L/L special is the quality of the information they offer.
How do they have anything to do with the information that is given to them other than that they pass it on to others? Are you saying that they have manipulated the information to add some sort of their own quality or characteristic in some way?
I agree with you that the information they have gained is of high quality, but that is simply because of the channel they connected with.
I also agree that not all channels are able to connect with such valuable sources of information. And there are also many charlatans about. But that does not change the fact that as Ra said, the channels are merely instruments of the process.
You would have to disagree with Ra, not me, in your supposition.
In your original comment, when you said "the effort to make the information channeled available to other fields as well," did you mean their presentation of the information without imposition of their own personalities?
I see many, many channels eager to offer the information that they channel freely available to others. I don't necessarily think that the simple fact that this information is offered to others is what makes the channeling event outstanding. I agree that the service of offering the information freely is very commendable, but when this information is distorted and rife with the personality of the channeler/group, would you agree it is equally outstanding as the Ra material?
Austin,
What I mean to say is that channeling is really just the natural result of the sharing of information between fields. There is nothing extraordinary about that as it is the natural design of the creation and the energy behind its evolution.
So I do not see that anyone that channels is doing anything any different than that which everyone else is doing at all times anywhere in the universe. You and I are channeling in a way right now, although there are much deeper means of sharing between fields when they are connected in a much more spiritual way.
I agree with you that many will corrupt information they acquire, and I also agree that many will effort to be certain of the integrity of the information they acquire.
But the information acquired with regard to the LOO, is a result of the knowledge base of the Ra group, not the research group. The passing on of information in its purest form is the result of the research group.
I would also agree with 'the Greek' that Ra was attracted to that research group and their specific vibration was certainly paramount in that endeavor. As a matter of fact it is my understanding that fields of consciousness are restricted in some ways in their ability to connect with other fields by such things as frequency and vibration.
(06-29-2012, 09:18 PM)TheEternal Wrote: What is the difference between the channeler and the channeled?
What is the river to its banks?
There is no difference with regard to the action of connecting. Both are fields of consciousness sharing information between them.
The channel between them is the Sacred Eye; the Vesica Pisces. The two circles joined in intercourse create the Sacred Space where the evolution of creation takes place.
The difference between the two would be in their unique experience and memory, and the degree that one may have evolved over time, hense the more information it might be able to share.
RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - Unbound - 07-01-2012
We seek within.
RE: The greatest channeler of all time? - Shin'Ar - 07-01-2012
(07-01-2012, 05:38 AM)TheEternal Wrote: What are "fields of consciousness" in the One Consciousness? There is a feedback loop, the channeler and the channeled are united and are part of the same process. The experience of channeling is part of the process that is the channeler.
This is a dynamic that many have great difficulty comprehending. Duality has been the topic of debate among philosophers for thousands of years.
I regularly point out that the equation of existence would look like this:
Creator=Process=Creation where Intelligent Energy is the process and matter is the creation, and we are an aspect of all three.
If we can see that our consciousness evolving and intelligence acting within the material universe is dependent on a Source beyond our aspect of this equation, then we can also understand why we are not that Source. That Source is within us all, within every molecule of all that exists, but none are that Source alone.
This is one thing that I have often tried to point to in many of my writings so as to assist others in coming to an understanding of it.
We are channeling information between our fields right now, and you would declare that we are One, as though we are one entity, with one thought, with one experience and one outcome. And yet, there you are, and here I am, each living very different experiences and our outcomes being an accumulation of those very different experiences as very different memories.
Should a person be able to categorize us by life's experience at the end of this life, it is unlikely that we would be categorized into the same listing. Such categorizing would depend entirely on the methods and various categories one would use.
Let me suggest that with regard to all extending from one Infinite Source, then yes we are all one entity having many different experiences. I have often said that we are the many eyes/thoughts/sounds of the One God.
But, because Infinity is a Mystery with no end and no beginning, then it is that Mystery which creates the duality of creation.
Aware consciousness unaware of its source or finality = duality
Until that Mystery becomes known to the All, the All cannot declare anything as finite and beyond uncertainty.
Therefore it is both presumptuous and jumping the gun, so to speak, to make declarations before they are proven to be factual. Is this not what we accuse science of doing far too often?
We tend to begin to align ourselves with God when we become enlightened to the fact that All is connected by One Source, and then we begin to call ourselves God because we have discovered the divinity of our true nature.
But that divinity is not in that we are the Source Itself, but in that the Source itself has designed us and set us in motion.
In motion from the thought of the One Consciousness, like the trillions of other thoughts that have proceeded into existence in the same fashion, we are not that Source but a result of it's Being; a part of the Divine Process of Being.
Consciousness, being intelligent awareness, is an attribute of the Source, as is love and creative ability. But these attributes are not the Source Itself. Would we declare one of our thoughts to be our own entity? They are extensions of its source's immersion into existence. And that is what we are to our Source. Fields of consciousness/thoughts/vibrations extending into the creation. Not a creation we have made, but the creation that has manifested as a result of the extensions of the Source's attributes.
This is my understanding. But of course, if you want to declare yourself the Source of all that exists, than of course I am incorrect, and will concede to truth, if you can prove that you are God, and finally solve the Mystery and reveal Infinity to be a fallacy. Of course to do that you will have to point out the true beginning and end without contest.