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RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-16-2012
One person makes a choice that affects someone else adversely.
Another person makes choices that does not affect others adversely.
You look at this reality and suggest that one causes the other to make those choices they make, by the choices that they themselves make.
Your argument is illogical, and completely undermines the true meaning of free will.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Oldern - 03-16-2012
"Oldern said,
"How did they manage to not meet in their way to each other's place?"
Really??? THAT is your argument????? Now that is proof of your exaggerated attempt to derail the argument. "
Oh, Shin'Ar, please try to stay composed, as you seem to be giving to anger. Why would you be angered?
Besides, my whole post, numbered, is my "argument". You are good at picking up bits - again- that does not support your idea, but you fail to understand how crucial this is in the overall scenario.
I could go on for hours. Instead of working, trying to relax and create the stories that I want to create, I could sit here, type out countless words on how your static picture lacks purpose (how come that two families manage to land in a different planet and the men who were supposed to work in this new environment were not tested to not fall into the trap of drug addiction? How come you do not even bother with thinking it further - as in what happens now that the stoned father kills the other family's one member? Do you apply a punishment to him, and think that maybe he will learn his lesson and NOW become peaceful thanks to the events that he set in motion, or do you expect him to just be bad forever? Where comes the spirituality where we can make spaceships traveling around but we cannot support one man who is addicted to a substance? etc.), but I see that you do not really want to test that picture of yours - you just wanted to prove your point.
I will repeat: if you are part of an oversoul, and someone else is part of the same oversoul, your conflict with "him" is an inner struggle of a creature that is Infinite, that cannot be hurt, that cannot be damaged, and even the one that hurts the other part is in no real danger of "getting lost".
Do you mourn your every lost cell in every waking moment? Do you know how many milliard of cells DIE every split second in this Earth? At one point, one needs to consider the possibility of physicality a temporary aspect after all, with no real consequence to the Infinite Creation's well-being.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-16-2012
Do you mourn your every lost cell in every waking moment? Do you know how many milliard of cells DIE every split second in this Earth? At one point, one needs to consider the possibility of physicality a temporary aspect after all, with no real consequence to the Infinite Creation's well-being.
Which is EXACTLY what I have been saying all along. Thank you very much.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Pablísimo - 03-16-2012
Hey Shin'Ar,
I have observed some very harsh and judgemental language coming from you on many posts on this forum where there has been disagreement. I have no right to demand anything at all from you, but I would like to ask you, respectfully, to please make the attempt to communicate with others here in a more respectful and loving manner when you disagree with them. Please.
(03-16-2012, 10:19 AM)ShinAr Wrote: For some reason Ankh feels like she has been duking it out with me. If by that she means that she is bothered by the way that I insist in straight and honest answers to questions, than I will just have to avoid asking her and any others like her questions so they will not have to feel pressed to discuss in fullness of disclosure. Sorry that I have been such a bother to you. I will be more cautious when I speak in your general vicinity.
I cannot speak for her, but I think Ankh has observed you 'duking it out' with several people who disagreed with you. This has been my observation as well. From what I have observed, even in disagreeable threads, she always tries hard to be respectful and answer questions, as do the vast majority of posters here. But sometimes the other party does not like the answers. That doesn't mean you haven't been answered, it's just that not everyone agrees with your point of view. Not everyone agrees with mine, either, and that's perfectly OK. Nobody here needs to be saved.
I find it ironic that you allege sarcasm in others in a post where you include several sarcastic comments directed towards others. Alas, this is more proof we are all One. We are mirrors for eachother, indeed. Have you considered that perhaps your annoyance with the sarcasm and evasion of questions is because these are qualities in yourself that you do not like? In my own life, I've found that the things that most irritate me in others are the very things I need to work on myself. Could this perhaps be a case of the log in our own eye being of more worthy concern than the speck in our brother's?
Honestly, I have seriously wondered at times if you're actually trying to cause these arguments or if it's completely unintended. Is it intentional? I feel like you are well-intentioned and positive, but given the sheer amount of argumentation, I have considered other possibilities. Or is perhaps your forceful and proselytizing style simply having the same virtual effect here that religious groups who knock on doors with pamphlets have on the general public?
Since you brought this topic up, of evading answers, it reminded me of a thread where I had asked you some direct questions that you never answered. Since you seem to be advocating straight, honest answers to questions, I'd like to ask them again here as well as a couple others I thought up. Would you mind answering them honestly and directly?
Most of them are very simple or yes/no questions.
1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.
2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?
3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.
4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?
5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?
6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/
7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?
I would appreciate answers to these, as I am genuinely curious about you. We have tried to welcome you as a Brother, and I feel like it is still possible for you to integrate into our motley community and really add value to our discussions. It just seems like things are going off the rails lately......
Love to all
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Unbound - 03-16-2012
Since physicality exists within creation, and it IS experienced, then the concept that "if one of us didn't exist, it wouldn't matter" is actually false. For the Universe to be Infinite, it must actually be so, it must mandatorily contain every possible thing that could ever possibly exist, at least in potential.
In my conception, the the Universe could not exist were it not for all the minute, seemingly "meaningless" existences that make up its infinitude. The Universe cannot exist without us, and we cannot exist without the Universe, it is a symbiotic macrocosm to microcosm.
Of course, what I am expressing here is that it is not exactly useful, or wholesome towards life to long for death of the body. It's a good way to sabotage one's ability to survive to even complete the spiritual work possible here actually.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-16-2012
Pablissimo are you not creating the same atmosphere by intuding here?
If you really cared you would simply go to those discussions that she was speaking of read the posts made by her and monkey and see what I am talking about.
Otherwise I really do not understand how your entering into this is not just your attempt to create further argument.
I am not wanting to argue with anyone. I do want to keep asking quesions in an attempt to get the answers that seem to resolve my qyuestions.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Pablísimo - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Pablissimo are you not creating the same atmosphere by intuding here?
If you really cared you would simply go to those discussions that she was speaking of read the posts made by her and monkey and see what I am talking about.
I actually read those discussions and that is exactly why I posted here. I don't agree with your assessment of that dialogue.
I apologize at the intrusion.
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I am not wanting to argue with anyone. I do want to keep asking quesions in an attempt to get the answers that seem to resolve my qyuestions.
My perceptions are subjective. They are simply what I believe based on what I have read. And I've seen alot of arguments.
As for getting answers to your questions, I think you've received them in great measure from monkey, Ankh, and a dozen other people.
Would you mind answering my questions to you? It seems fair that if you are insisting on direct answers from others that you provide the same.
It is of course, your choice. This is the last time I intend to ask.
Thanks,
Love to all
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Ankh - 03-16-2012
Shin'Ar, I will not address any accusations or judgements that you've made about me personally, but leave them with you. However, I will address following, as there might be some kind of misunderstanding. You wrote following:
(03-16-2012, 10:19 AM)ShinAr Wrote: She is actually speaking about a thread in which I was asking her and monkey a question about the extremity of STS, and they were simply dodging it, not liking to be put on the spot in such a way.
Let's look at that thread. And that is just one thread of many, where I see the same pattern. In that particular thread I see that you ask 3DMonkey a question. He answers. You imply in your answer to him that the question is "difficult to grasp by many", which in my ears implies an attitude of self aggrandizement. Then I reply, then 3DMonkey replies. And on and on it goes. In these posts, I see very honest and direct answers from both me and 3DMonkey to your questions. For instance, I answer your many questions, each after each, by "Yes"/"No". This goes on to the point of even derailing that thread. I even directed you to another thread where you could read 3DMonkey's opinion which he expressed very well. But even in this mentioned thread he still expresses his opinion. What more would you wish from us, brother? You ask your questions, we reply as to our best ability.
Would you now do us a *service*, and answer questions, which are for instance addressed to *you*, in Monica's and Pablísimo's posts?
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - 3DMonkey - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: are you not creating the same atmosphere
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: If you really cared you would
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I really do not understand how your entering into this is not just your attempt to create further argument.
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I am not wanting to argue with anyone.
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I do want to keep asking quesions
(03-16-2012, 01:46 PM)ShinAr Wrote: my qyuestions.
Reflections of Me
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Monica - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 10:19 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I was surprsied to hear Monica actually admit that there is evil in the world. Most here would refrain from using that wrod as they believe it to be a perception and not an actual concept.
Many try very hard to paint those of such threat to the goodness of humanity as nothing more than misled and self testing individuals who simply make the Yin to our Yang. And in so doing they completely ignore the true nature and danger of those entities. Is that deliberate on their part, or just innocent ignorance? Only they can know that for sure.
But for most of us who come here it is easy to see the folly of their agenda, and when pressed they ussually have to fall back on sarcasm and ridicule to drive off the seeker.
I used the word evil as synonymous with STS. Some people may prefer to avoid the word, because it may have religious connotations for them. Just as some people prefer to avoid the word God because it conjures up an image of a man in the sky with a long white beard, or the Biblical tyrannical 'God' which they left behind.
One bit of information that might help explain some of the views here is that, according to Ra, STS entities have a purpose, which is to provide catalyst. This does not, in any way, diminish the intensity of their 'evil' - yes they can be quite nasty!
But, when we understand that they are playing a role, which has its place in the grand design, and when we understand that they actually feed on fear, then we can understand that fearing them doesn't work to neutralize them.
Fearing them and considering them dangerous, only fuels their control over us. It's like pouring gasoline on a raging fire.
Whereas, understanding, loving and accepting them, while simultaneously declining their offer of service, is what actually neutralizes their influence in out lives. This is analogous to pouring water on a fire.
It's important to understand that loving/accepting STS entities does NOT mean allowing them to harm or control us!
This very topic was exhaustively explored in this thread:
Strictly Law of One Material > Acceptance and Will
I think you may find it helpful in understanding our views better if you read this thread. You will also see some disagreement in this thread, showing that we aren't a religion, and we don't all believe exactly the same way.
Where I do think you have a valid point, Shin'Ar, is that sometimes people might take the idea of 'acceptance' of STS a bit too far, to the point where they forget that it's ok to decline the service of the STS entity. They also might forget that we are in the density of Choice, which obviously entails some division. Without any division, there would be no choice.
I haven't been reading the other threads which had some discord, so I can't comment on that. It appears I've been missing all the commotion! Shin'Ar, you seem to have a sense of mission to get a certain point across. I think I understand what your point is, for what it's worth, though I could be wrong because I have read very few of your posts.
I would just invite everyone to consider the viewpoint of the other and seek the gem of love contained therein. It is there for the seeking.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Tenet Nosce - 03-16-2012
If I may- here is a link to a search on lawofone.info for quotes with contain both "Orion" and "Confederation". I find it to explain the situation quite unambiguously.
Here is one cherry-picked quote, but by all means, please read the entire page of quotes for yourself, and do not let my biases be a stumbling block in your spiritual growth.
7.11 Wrote:Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.
Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.
It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.
In my limited, fallible, and biased, opinion, Ra is saying: The negative path is equal to the positive path under the Law of One. We neither condone, nor condemn it. However, we will note that the negative path is attended with certain difficulties which are not present on the positive path.
"Service to others results in service to self"
What this means is... for one who is truly dedicated to serving others, eventually they will come to find that they must first attend to the self. One cannot serve others through neglect of the self. In true service to others, we do not put the self on the backburner in ignorance or denial. Rather we recognize that in serving our own spiritual needs first, we are more empowered to radiate that light toward others.
C'mon, folks. We all know the kinds I am talking about. They are all "spiritual" on the surface, but their intimate relationships are extremely discordant. They have some visionary idea or product, but can't find a way to pay the bills. They are always out there "making things happen" meanwhile their health suffers for lack of rest.
Does anybody here not know what I am talking about?
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Oceania - 03-16-2012
i don't. explain.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Tenet Nosce - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 05:37 PM)Oceania Wrote: i don't. explain.
OK. Here are some scenarios based on real-life examples of people I know.
A. A lady who is very good at psychometry and also an art dealer. She has a recurring pattern of spending money before she receives it. Basically keeps getting hoodwinked into bunk deals that fall through at the last minute. So she's borrowed money from all of her friends and family at times to make ends meet. Occasionally, a deal does come though. But somehow, very little of the money goes back to paying her friends and family back the money she borrowed.
B. Another lady who has a gift for communicating with animals is also a relationship counselor. Also can't seem to keep a man around. They keep betraying her- she can't figure out why. Ironically, it seems to have something to do with a failure to accept the more animalistic side of men. Deep down she fears being intimate with men. But on the surface, she styles herself as a "Goddess worshiper" and makes all sorts of derogatory remarks about men as if they are spiritually inferior to women.
C. A dude who is a sheer genius. Besides his own ideas, he has a knack for connecting with others who innovate. He wants to help bring all of these wonderful new things to the world. But his diet consists of massive amounts of red meats, sugary snacks, and little fresh food. Beyond this, he never takes a moments rest, always working intently on some project or another. He later dies of colon cancer.
What is going on with these people? Their hearts are all in the right place... there is no doubt that they are service-to-others oriented. Why can't they just seem to "get it together"? Is this what they came here to do? Are they "fulfilling their mission"?
I am suggesting the answer has something to do with their failure to address their own internal imbalances. One lacks self-worth. The second hasn't dealt with her fear of intimacy. The third fails to perceive the value in being nurturing toward the self.
Deep down, they all know what their issues are. What stops them from attending to these? I propose it is a misunderstanding which says that serving others means denying the self. In each case, they have succumbed to some sort of guilt or shame or fear which prevents them from working on the self. They are stuck in a dualistic mindset which says it is EITHER serving self OR serving others, rather than serving BOTH the self AND others. Thus their efforts become thwarted.
The Irony with a capital "I" is when these people shake their fists at the sky in frustration, and ask for help, they reject the answer that is given to them. Work on the self. Attend to the self. Develop the self. Go within. But they say NO NO NO it can't be that! Some go so far as to believe it is the "dark side" trying to trick them and "keep them off their path". But there is no trickery here. If they did the inner work necessary, the outer things would take care of themselves quite effortlessly.
If the first found self-worth and combined her psychic gifts with her vocation, she could probably command thousands of dollars each for psychometry readings on famous art pieces and pay off her debts in a short time.
If the second got honest with herself about how she uses judgment to mask fear, she would stop attracting disingenuous men, and instead have a great relationship from which to draw form as an example to her clients.
If the third learned the value of nourishing his body... well... he would still be here.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - 51/49 - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 04:31 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: C'mon, folks. We all know the kinds I am talking about. They are all "spiritual" on the surface, but their intimate relationships are extremely discordant. They have some visionary idea or product, but can't find a way to pay the bills. They are always out there "making things happen" meanwhile their health suffers for lack of rest.
I know what you are saying. Some of us believe that there needs to be more balance , but in the end , it is up to everyone to live out their incarnation the way they see fit .. not the way that i see fit ( even if it may happen to be the best way !
).we can probably all use a bit more work in some of our energy centers, and blah blah we all have our own missions&learning...some things may not be as important to others.. nothing new here
If and when an individual seeks to "balance", those of among us with experience in the area , will have the information/studies to share.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - AnthroHeart - 03-16-2012
Tenet,
Your scenarios remind me of the old Mysteries of the Unknown commercial.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Tenet Nosce - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 07:30 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Tenet,
Your scenarios remind me of the old Mysteries of the Unknown commercial.
YESS!! LOL
Wow I had forgotten about this commercial... looks like it came out in 1988.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-16-2012
1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.
Sorry but I cannot bother to go through the entire book to find that. I just recall reading it.
2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?
I was not aware of that hippy group that you spoke of. I am aware of Peniel's teachings and find them to be in line with much of my own understandings although there are certain aspects that I would have to say remain questionable because of the inability to prove them one way or the other.
3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.
No. My understanding is that the assumption on his part is based upon his attempt at logically surmising the things that we do know from the ancient teachings. But, you do have to admit that there is much evidence to suggest what he teaches to be quite possible.
4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?
One night while in meditative trance I was called upon by another field. In my state I was already connected to another, and through that connection I was taken to this calling. I follow my gnostic intuition as I always do, and seek to discover why I was led to this place. In the course of that seeking I confront that which I experience by doing what I think is the right thing to do, as I have always done. What I am finding is that there seems to be a problem in this community with regard to some member's understanding of STS, and the fact that the Ra material is too complex for some to really grasp. I have no desire to preach any particular religious doctrine. I simply respond to the discussions with what is in my heart, just as everyone else here does. However I do respect the fact that this community is based around the teaching of Ra, and so seeing a problem with regard to that teaching, specifically STS and people's inability to grasp it, this becomes the focus of my attention. This may be the reason I was called here. Although I will say that there are a couple of particular people I have found here that may also be the reason I was led here.
5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?
Not likely!
6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/
Not in any way.
7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?
I do not believe that anyone can lay claim to truth, because the only true way to seek after it is to be completely open to abandoning which you thought may have been truth, for new revelations of truth as they appear. Any other method leaves one closed minded to new opportunities of increasing knowledge, and the acquisition of truth.
Here is an excerpt from something I wrote about ten years ago which best explains my thoughts on this matter:
"We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of some of the great prophets and teachers throughout history sometimes seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we deem logical to our way of thinking. But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and traditional deceits. The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to external thought other than one's own, even to criticism of things one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake. To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterward, his certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again. We must always be receptive, and then discerning."
Now I am really not sure why you have such an issue with my desire to learn about your interpretations of the Ra material, or why you seem to think I am affiliated with this hippy group you keep talking about, but I have answered your questions in full honesty and hope that you can somehow find it in your heart to just accept my sincere intentions to try to confront what I see as an issue that should be thorougly discussed here in this community, without feeling attacked by the inquiry or what someone esle may have to say on the matter just because it may question what you have accepted as valid.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Monica - 03-16-2012
(03-16-2012, 11:29 PM)ShinAr Wrote: 1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.
Sorry but I cannot bother to go through the entire book to find that. I just recall reading it.
Here is the only occurrence of the word deception in the entire Law of One series:
Quote:50.7 Questioner: Can you expand on the concept which is that it is necessary for an entity, during incarnation in the physical as we know it, to become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when the entity is aware of what he wants to do. Why must he come into an incarnation and lose conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way in which he hopes to act?
Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.
In time/space and in the true color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.
Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin—and we stress begin—to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.
You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love, can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-17-2012
No Monica that is not what I had in mind but thank you for the effort my dear.
It may not have actuially used the word deception so it may not be searchable by that means.
It seems to me that it had something to do with the deliberate misguidance or misinforming of a group or humanity as a whole for some specidifc purpose to be fuliflled. But I cannot recall with clarity.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Bang Kaew - 03-17-2012
re the OP;
Quote:Again I'm quite "confused" on this idea that telling about this infringes upon FREE WILL. Thats like saying lets not tattle on the creepy molester next door, it would infringe upon the childs free will, as it's being molested! Seriously! I feel the ending here was a rather flowery in what feels like distraction and some round about dark truth. Seems to me that Ra and company, is part of the Orion group. Does the entity admit that anywhere that anyone knows? I'm not yet up to speed on Ra teachings yet, apologies for any disturbances that I'm causing.
My understanding of it is that it is the same as us not interfering with animals hunting. We want to save the gazelle but know we can not. If Ra interfered then where would it end? Who is to say what to stop?
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Monica - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 12:16 AM)ShinAr Wrote: No Monica that is not what I had in mind but thank you for the effort my dear.
It may not have actuially used the word deception so it may not be searchable by that means.
It seems to me that it had something to do with the deliberate misguidance or misinforming of a group or humanity as a whole for some specidifc purpose to be fuliflled. But I cannot recall with clarity.
Could it be the veil itself? For that might be considered a deception of sorts. It's an illusion.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 12:49 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(03-17-2012, 12:16 AM)ShinAr Wrote: No Monica that is not what I had in mind but thank you for the effort my dear.
It may not have actuially used the word deception so it may not be searchable by that means.
It seems to me that it had something to do with the deliberate misguidance or misinforming of a group or humanity as a whole for some specidifc purpose to be fuliflled. But I cannot recall with clarity.
Could it be the veil itself? For that might be considered a deception of sorts. It's an illusion.
I am sorry Monica, I hope I don't sound evasive. But I cannot even really recall how this came into discussion to be honest. all I can say is that I recall reading it somewhere in Book one, but without actually re-reading the entire thing for the fourth time, I cannot pinpoint it.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Monica - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 01:02 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I am sorry Monica, I hope I don't sound evasive. But I cannot even really recall how this came into discussion to be honest. all I can say is that I recall reading it somewhere in Book one, but without actually re-reading the entire thing for the fourth time, I cannot pinpoint it.
No problem. But other than the veil itself, I don't remember any such thing. So I respectfully submit that it may have been a misinterpretation.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 01:09 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(03-17-2012, 01:02 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I am sorry Monica, I hope I don't sound evasive. But I cannot even really recall how this came into discussion to be honest. all I can say is that I recall reading it somewhere in Book one, but without actually re-reading the entire thing for the fourth time, I cannot pinpoint it.
No problem. But other than the veil itself, I don't remember any such thing. So I respectfully submit that it may have been a misinterpretation.
I certainly would not deny that possibility Monica.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Monica - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 01:15 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I certainly would not deny that possibility Monica.
OK fair enough!
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 01:18 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(03-17-2012, 01:15 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I certainly would not deny that possibility Monica.
OK fair enough!
I thought we agreed we were going to bed?
Okay, now I predict that that's going to require some explaining.
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Oceania - 03-17-2012
you went to bed together?!?!?
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Shin'Ar - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 03:18 AM)Oceania Wrote: you went to bed together?!?!?
Now who could have seen that coming? lol
Monica had Pmd me to let me know she had to move a thread and I jokingly told her to go to bed. It was very late!
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - Monica - 03-17-2012
Hahahaha! Don't start any rumors now, Oceania!
Yes indeed, we went to bed together - if you can call being 2000 miles apart 'together.'
RE: Confederation IS Orion group??? - anagogy - 03-17-2012
(03-17-2012, 01:02 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I am sorry Monica, I hope I don't sound evasive. But I cannot even really recall how this came into discussion to be honest. all I can say is that I recall reading it somewhere in Book one, but without actually re-reading the entire thing for the fourth time, I cannot pinpoint it.
Is this what you were thinking of?
Quote:18.1 Questioner: I was thinking last night that if I were in the place of Ra right now, the first distortion of the Law of One might cause me to mix some erroneous data with the true information that I was transmitting to this group. Do you do this?
Ra: I am Ra. We do not intentionally do this. However, there will be confusion. The errors which have occurred have occurred due to the occasional variation in the vibrational complex of this instrument due to its ingestion of a chemical substance. It is not our intent in this particular project to create erroneous information but to express in the confining ambiance of your language system the feeling of the infinite mystery of the one creation in its infinite and intelligent unity.