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RE: The Horrors of STS - JustLikeYou - 03-11-2012
There are some very interesting things happening in this thread.
It appears that the Law of One is often not perceived as directly useful in real-life situations. How, for example, do I handle my attacker by using the Law of One? Or how can I change the entire world?
In truth, the Law of One is reflected in all of experience. You cannot escape it. You can only pretend that you can. What brings any experience to you? Why it is your own act of creation, your own thoughts about yourself and others (which is the same thing)! Do you see people in poverty? Then you must also be in poverty. Do you see people in pain? Then you must also be in pain. Do you see people who act with violence? Then you must also be violent. Do you see people whose intentions are not fully pure? Then yours are also not fully pure.
The flip-side of this coin, however, is that the fictional people you describe, such as the hypothetical rapist, is not a person in your experience. Until you are faced with a rapist, you do not have the opportunity to see yourself in his eyes. This is why you do not change the world. The entire Planet Earth is not your world. You only interact with a small portion of it. But within this portion, you are omnipotent. No, you cannot break the laws of nature (given to us by our Creator), but within the boundaries of those laws, you may Create whatever kind of experience you like. Your personal world can be one of the utmost harmony, and all you have to do is change yourself.
Shin'Ar Wrote:I believe that you know that there is a flaw in your thinking. I believe that you want to make this aspect of the One and the All make sense in every situation and circumstance. But you have to know, that when you would look into the eyes of a man that you have just witnessed raping a child, that you would not see yourself there. You have more to consider here than what you define as being One. you have to answer to yourself that if this is what you believe, than why do you NOT see yourself in that rapist's eyes.
Have you never taken joy in that which brings suffering to another? Not even once? If you have, then there you are, looking back at yourself in the eyes of the rapist.
I have been there. And having been there, I know what the mind of the victimizer looks like. I know that the suffering inflicted on the victim is equal to the suffering experienced by the victimizer. What else but compassion can I feel? Guilt is suffering, and it doesn't matter if you are STS or STO, you will feel it.
The Cave of the Shadows is a place which must be visited if a Choice is to be made. Both STO and STS will visit the Cave of the Shadows. Both must also visit the Light outside. It is only with full knowledge of the options available that a Choice can be genuinely and full-heartedly made. Once, when I was a child, I intentionally dropped something hard on my brother's head just to see what it was like to hurt someone. The moment I saw him recoil in pain, I knew I would never take joy in intentionally causing the suffering of another. This does not mean I have not caused others to suffer -- far from it.
However, there are those who see beauty in the power that lies coiled in the ability to inflict suffering. You may not see this beauty, but your perspective takes nothing from the legitimacy of that of those who do see this beauty, just as theirs takes nothing from the legitimacy of yours.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Plenum - 03-11-2012
thanks Joseph. Those are very good points.
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one of the things that I often say to one of my spiritual friends is this:
"there are a million things you could be paying attention to right now, and yet we only pick out one, two, or three at any given moment, and then fill our consciousness with it. What does it say about where YOU are at the moment?"
and I am prompted to ask the same question of myself.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Plenum - 03-11-2012
what is the Law of One?
this is probably worth re-stating so that we come from a common point of approach.
We all invoke the Law of One, but rarely state it:
6.14 Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One states simply that all things are one, that all beings are one. There are certain behaviors and thought-forms consonant with the understanding and practice of this law.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Lulu - 03-11-2012
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RE: The Horrors of STS - Lulu - 03-11-2012
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RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-11-2012
(03-09-2012, 05:41 PM)plenum Wrote: I don't regard them as my 'enemy', but rather I am unable to assimilate what their have to offer, that is, enslavement. And so this inability to extend Universal Love and Acceptance in this particular situation leads to a slight loss of polarization in both sides.
Who is "they"?
I assume you need to make money in order to continue your life? Almost everything you do takes money? I call that a slave system. But nobody wants to admit they have a master.
The master is the social contract. How do we not accept that? We have to get back to nature and self sufficiency in order to not accept slavery LoL.
(03-10-2012, 09:30 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(03-10-2012, 02:50 AM)zenmaster Wrote:Thoughts(03-10-2012, 01:32 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: LOL, it's all happening in my mind!!!! All of it.Have you figured out what 'mind' is yet?
Thoughts are recorded experience. Is mind a recording?
Or a program?
I think my issue with this thinking is that it is known that each of us is a program, part of a larger program, and that the soul chooses this specific program before incarnation. And so any "horror" is fully known ahead of time.
RE: The Horrors of STS - JustLikeYou - 03-12-2012
It is commonly thought that the mind is that which thinks. This is not precisely true. The mind is thinking itself. Therefore, the mind is constituted of concepts in the same way the body is constituted of atoms.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-12-2012
(03-11-2012, 11:32 PM)Pickle Wrote: The master is the social contract. How do we not accept that? We have to get back to nature and self sufficiency in order to not accept slavery LoL.You are correct of course, but when we arrive at that point of self sufficiency we suddenly discover we have less freedom than we had under the master. You want to focus on the thing you're good at and enjoy doing? You can't you have to chop firewood and do a thousand other chores that you don't like doing but which are necesary for your survival.. Just like everyone else on the planet.
The system is unfair and it is far from perfect... But it is infinitely more liberating than being self reliant.
It is a fact of life that we must depend on each other. This is not a weakness it is our strength. It guarantees that we will forever lift ourselves upwards. And even the efforts of people who would not be able to sustain themselves when left to their own devices uplift the whole.
Horror is what happens when a minority of psychopaths learn to play the system to the point that the majority of the generated wealth and wellbeing flows their way. The presence of the system is not the flaw. The flaw is that the majority of good people allowed this to happen.
If the majority stops believing the psychopaths "that the only way for the system to work is for a few to get abundantly fat while literally vastly more starve to death." then it's quickly over for those psychopaths.
Freedom is in the mind. You don't need a master to be a slave. And you don't need the absence of a master to be free. The structure of society is something you can use as a ladder to get to where you want to be, or abuse as an excuse to not get off your ass.. Those masters are our own creations they have no other power than the power given to them by the majority. If we were to send them all to a paradise planet on the next moon rocket out. We'd have chosen new masters to lead us in the exact same way before the year ends.
When that attitude changes, and it's changing at a rapid pace. Then the masters will automatically become marginalized.
RE: The Horrors of STS - zenmaster - 03-12-2012
(03-12-2012, 07:32 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: It is commonly thought that the mind is that which thinks. This is not precisely true.Then what is precisely true?
(03-12-2012, 07:32 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: The mind is thinking itself. Therefore, the mind is constituted of concepts in the same way the body is constituted of atoms.While numinous to some, thoughts equating to mind is almost on the same ontological level of vagueness as consciousness equating to beingness. Each density and each subdensity has a 'mind'. And we know that mind, like body, evolves. Monkey says mind is a container for thoughts, that thoughts are 'in my head'. That's not true either.
(03-12-2012, 08:12 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: The system is unfair and it is far from perfectThen what's fair? And if it was fair, how could it not also be perfect?
RE: The Horrors of STS - 3DMonkey - 03-12-2012
In order to prove thoughts are not the mind, you would need to be something outside of your own mind. This is not possible. Thinking there is a mind is a thought. There is no constant with which to apply variables.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-12-2012
(03-12-2012, 08:38 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(03-12-2012, 08:12 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: The system is unfair and it is far from perfectThen what's fair? And if it was fair, how could it not also be perfect?
Society is unfair because it is not free from bias, injustice and dishonesty.. Different people get different results from participating, independent from their personal efforts. So fairness would need to remove those qualities from society.
I suggested that this problem is specifically caused by the blind acceptance by the masses of psychopathic lies and deceit that cause the system to function in an inherently unfair way.
I'll leave the task of thinking up a fair society which is also imperfect as an exercise to the reader. But I doubt this taxes anyone's mind
RE: The Horrors of STS - Oldern - 03-12-2012
I believe that society is not unfair. It is just that the consequences are not as easily visible when you are entangled in a pattern.
A few basic principles apply to society as well:
You want to be famous? Succesful? You can ALWAYS do that. Always. Always.
The only thing stopping you is if you are not wanting to play by the rules. Thinking that you need to be clever (you do not), or charming (you do not), or you need to be honest (you most definitely do not have to). Or thinking that with success comes other things. No. Peace and happiness definitely does not come from it, unless your GOAL is to be famous, not to be famous to get happy, for example.
I believe that society is fair. I have had my fair share of suffering, and yet I do not feel like it is anyone else's fault but mine. Sometimes I will try to write some kind of essay about this, because it honestly is fascinating.
An honest, fair society is one where every part of the web of life acts like an honest reciever and giver. With that, communism is a beautiful system. With distortion and a web of lies, you can pretty much "corrupt" any system, no matter how seemingly perfect it is.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-12-2012
Oldern, I agree that we all have chances in this world.. I agree that our behavior and choices in the end define what's going to happen to us.
But as long as your race, gender and nationality with a cold calculating practical certainty define your wealth your health and your social economic status this world cannot be called free from bias. As long as people who work relatively little make millions. And people who work three jobs can hardly feed their kids then this world cannot be called just. And as long as the truth about this world is not shared with it's people. In matters that are important. We cannot call her honest.
Since these three factors make up fairness.. We cannot call the world a fair place. This is not inherently so. This is how our society structures her to be.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Monica - 03-12-2012
The question of whether society is fair or not is moot, since we know that it's all just catalyst. All that matters is that karma is fair. Which it is. It might not seem so on the surface, but it is.
RE: The Horrors of STS - zenmaster - 03-12-2012
It's not really a moot question. Society may be a sublogos, but it's playing by the same, extant rules underpinning all existence. The world is, of course, fair. That should be plain for anyone to see.
Not sure how to respond to Monkey - communication exists. How does that square with everything only existing in your head?
RE: The Horrors of STS - 3DMonkey - 03-12-2012
(03-12-2012, 07:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Not sure how to respond to Monkey - communication exists. How does that square with everything only existing in your head?
Simple. If a tree falls and nobody's around, it does not make a sound.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-13-2012
(03-12-2012, 07:13 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's not really a moot question. Society may be a sublogos, but it's playing by the same, extant rules underpinning all existence. The world is, of course, fair. That should be plain for anyone to see.
I don't understand why "The world is, of course, fair". It's really not as plain as you would put it. I can't imagine why anyone would call the situation fair, where a certain priviliged white man gets fed, clothed and guaranteed a good life merely because of the womb he was born from. While a black woman who has been working hard her entire life finds herself at the point where she can no longer afford to feed her kids. That is not just and thus not fair, do you not agree? And if that is not fair then the world by extention is not either.
It might very well be that a vague thing we call karma (And I trained with a karma doctor/psychic healer) allows for this to happen. But in the end that's just a cop out.. If someone close to you can't afford to feed her children, you pitch in. Karma can suck it in that case... I don't think we can say "it's fair because it's karma" just because the person starving to death happens to be someone we don't know..
Maybe it is karma that caused someone to be born in difficult situations. But it's the economy, the fact that we in the west want to buy cheap food, that is the pragmatic causal cause for hunger in this world. It is not caused by the person born in poverty. Nor is it caused by her karma. The poor do not cause poverty, it's the rich and powerfull that cause it...
RE: The Horrors of STS - Plenum - 03-13-2012
I have to agree with Ali on this one.
STS entities/forces are doing their best to 'infringe' on the rest of us.
We play nice, and they don't.
So they end up as politicians and CEO's and monarchs, and dictate the agenda to the rest of us.
no 'victim mentality' in this. Them just the facts.
RE: The Horrors of STS - JustLikeYou - 03-13-2012
It's fair because the rules are in place and you choose your own involvement. Is your free-will infringed upon by another? Then you allowed it in some way, whether pre-incarnatively or during your own incarnation (through lack of balance).
I have created a thread for the continuance of the conversation concerning the nature of mind: What Is the Essence of Mind?
RE: The Horrors of STS - Patrick - 03-13-2012
(03-12-2012, 08:12 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:(03-11-2012, 11:32 PM)Pickle Wrote: The master is the social contract. How do we not accept that? We have to get back to nature and self sufficiency in order to not accept slavery LoL.You are correct of course, but when we arrive at that point of self sufficiency we suddenly discover we have less freedom than we had under the master. You want to focus on the thing you're good at and enjoy doing? You can't you have to chop firewood and do a thousand other chores that you don't like doing but which are necesary for your survival.. Just like everyone else on the planet.
The system is unfair and it is far from perfect... But it is infinitely more liberating than being self reliant...
There are alternatives.
Like this one: http://rbeportal.com/
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-14-2012
(03-13-2012, 08:56 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: It's fair because the rules are in place and you choose your own involvement. Is your free-will infringed upon by another? Then you allowed it in some way, whether pre-incarnatively or during your own incarnation (through lack of balance).
That's very dangerous logic because it suggests that; the abuse of someone who has a lack of balance is fair... If they didn't want to be hungry they should not have been born in Africa/Asia... After all, that was their own choice, right?
RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-15-2012
(03-14-2012, 11:54 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: If they didn't want to be hungry they should not have been born in Africa/Asia... After all, that was their own choice, right?
Not from what I can tell. That is a situation where we begin our 3D incarnations. They are guided into those positions until they gain a certain amount of seniority. Eventually being able to choose their own incarnations. Those are also the cultures that mention reincarnation taking place in 40 days.
One of the quotes Ra mentions that spirit will continue shoveling out catalyst until a bias forms.
I had serious issues accepting the type of people inhabiting these other countries, until I understood this.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 01:22 AM)Pickle Wrote:(03-14-2012, 11:54 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: If they didn't want to be hungry they should not have been born in Africa/Asia... After all, that was their own choice, right?I had serious issues accepting the type of people inhabiting these other countries, until I understood this.
I don't get it... What are you trying to say Pickle?
RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-15-2012
I was one of those people that stood up for the folks in the middle east when we invaded them. Later on I came across a video of a large crowd of men and boys stoning a young girl to death. After I saw how they all acted, with not a single person attempting to stop this, my "perception" changed.
This sort of atrocity is a regular occurance in many other countries, and accepted.
My perception changed later on after putting some thought into a horrible group death that took place here in my state. It occured to me that this horrible "karma" follows these people no matter where they go in the world. I had come across odd statements from a few different sources, Cayce, Gandhi, and LOO, and it suddenly made sense to me.
We start out our incarnations in that type of existence. All of those murderers, rapists, thieves, in those other countries, they are not "STS" like I used to assume, they are just "beginners", early to 3D.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-15-2012
So you believe the invasions in the middle east are justified because you saw a video from that region where a lynch mob killed a young girl? From this video you've also been able to conclude that your own kind, who by now killed hundreds of thousands of these people, are somehow more evolved?
Those atrocities are obviously not normal or accepted there. The fact that they happen do not make them normal or accepted.
The KKK does not say anything about the spiritual evolution of the average white american. The westboro baptist church says nothing about the evolution of the american christian. The tea party says nothing about the average american. And neither do that bunch of savage individuals you saw in that video say anything about the average person in the middle east.
You should travel... Go and see for yourself. Across the world the same kind of people are repeated over and over again... As they say: "The a-hole factor... is a constant." You've got them everywhere. But there's also people in those darkest places who can teach every single one of us a thing or two about the greatness of the human heart.
RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-15-2012
You glossed over the meaning behind my words and went straight to the trap programming of racism/prejudice/elitism concepts. This happens any time i bring this up. It happened when Cayce brought it up as well. I will not take the time to explain it and start a race war out of a simple misunderstanding.
Nowhere do i say the invasion is justified. However i distance myself from the whole situation.
I am fully aware of the great people and great beauty to be found in other countries. Am i to take my blue eyed wife and daughters to these countries as well, and lose them to the black market or slave trade, as a result of attempting to justify your viewpoint? You can't really tell me it is uncommon, i am related to some that have traveled and ran afoul of this a-hole factor. If my wife had dark eyes and dark skin i would not have as much fear for them.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Shin'Ar - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 10:56 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: So you believe the invasions in the middle east are justified because you saw a video from that region where a lynch mob killed a young girl? From this video you've also been able to conclude that your own kind, who by now killed hundreds of thousands of these people, are somehow more evolved?
Those atrocities are obviously not normal or accepted there. The fact that they happen do not make them normal or accepted.
The KKK does not say anything about the spiritual evolution of the average white american. The westboro baptist church says nothing about the evolution of the american christian. The tea party says nothing about the average american. And neither do that bunch of savage individuals you saw in that video say anything about the average person in the middle east.
You should travel... Go and see for yourself. Across the world the same kind of people are repeated over and over again... As they say: "The a-hole factor... is a constant." You've got them everywhere. But there's also people in those darkest places who can teach every single one of us a thing or two about the greatness of the human heart.
Although I do not agree with Pickle's understanding, I think you should be cautious of misinterprteting his intent. He was simply pointing out that there is a lower form of consciousness at work throughout all of the world that may be the reason for the many manifestation of ignorance that we across the globe.
And he did note that one of those atrocities took place in his own state.
I do agree with Pickle that we should avoid making this a racial concern, especially on this forum of all forums.
Was it not written :
“When he was about to enter Egypt, he said to Sar'ai his wife, ‘I know that you are a woman beautiful to behold; and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, “This is his wife”; then they will kill me, but they will let you live. Say you are my sister, that it may go well with me because of you, and that my life may be spared on your account.’ When Abram entered Egypt the Egyptians saw that the woman was very beautiful. And when the princes of Pharaoh saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh. And the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house.” - Genesis 12:11-15
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 12:34 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Although I do not agree with Pickle's understanding, I think you should be cautious of misinterprteting his intent. He was simply pointing out that there is a lower form of consciousness at work throughout all of the world that may be the reason for the many manifestation of ignorance that we across the globe.
This "lower form of consciousness" as you call it is present in all people in all states and nations to an approximately equal amount.
Personal evolution is not dependent on race nationality creed or religion. So indeed. Let's go back to the original discussion.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Shin'Ar - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 01:15 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote:(03-15-2012, 12:34 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Although I do not agree with Pickle's understanding, I think you should be cautious of misinterprteting his intent. He was simply pointing out that there is a lower form of consciousness at work throughout all of the world that may be the reason for the many manifestation of ignorance that we across the globe.
This "lower form of consciousness" as you call it is present in all people in all states and nations to an approximately equal amount.
Personal evolution is not dependent on race nationality creed or religion. So indeed. Let's go back to the original discussion.
Agreed, that is exactly what I just stated.
RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-15-2012
Let's say that you have a whole city of people that are content to not climb the mountain, no matter what they are told the view is like. They would forever remain where they are, content to continue what they do. Sure there would be the individual that does not conform, that will strive to make it to the top of the mountain, against all odds.
How would you go about getting everyone out of their circle of apathy? Well, you could create a flood, and force everyone to climb to safety. You could set everything afire, and get everyone to scramble to safety.
This is my analogy to the reason for the horrors and the suffering. It gives the impetus for movement and growth. Without it we would be in Eden, which we were kicked out of for reasons of stagnation.
We should be thankful for the few STS that created the religious belief systems that program these horrors in the first place.
Many will refuse the programming of "fitting in" and doing what they were taught to do. Many will choose to leave or escape this system of society.
Still others will make even more evolved decisions to return to these systems in the hopes of causing changes for the better.
I see STS as the "creators" of our system of life.
I see the STO as those that refuse the system, yet return to help the others wake up to the change available to them.
But then the STO individual is almost bound to "help" only as opposed to "influence or coercion".