Namaste Wrote:

TN Wrote:Remember, this was all slated to have been said and done by 1998. My apologies if this sounds "arrogant" or "uncompassionate" but we have already been granted an extra 15 years of "overtime". If somebody hasn't taken advantage of all that extra catalyst by now, I say: too sad, too bad. Better luck next time.

Sounds selfish to me ;¬)

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The second point is why we're here. It's the point of being a Wanderer - to help others make the harvest. Wanting to cut the time short in a 'too bad' fashion seems quite backwards/STS to me.

(12-22-2011, 04:26 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Yay, no more quarantine.

(12-22-2011, 01:29 PM)Namaste Wrote: You've been doing it for XX,000 thousand years, a few more won't hurt ;¬)

1.6 Wrote:Ra: This distortion is not in any case necessary.

Namaste Wrote:Q'uo mentions that we'll be gifted more and more opportunities to polarise in the direction we have chosen. That can only be a good thing if you're genuinely interested in serving others. If you're fed up here, think about what that entails. Who are you thinking of? Food for thought :¬)

Quote:I know people who hate people and love animals. I know people who love people and hate animals. I know people who love both, and I know people who love neither. I know people who love a few people, and hate many more. I know people who love some animals, and hate others.

There are no limits, the possibilities are infinite.

Yes, we are all one, but that's taking it down too many fractal levels; the point is that people predominantly love conditionally. They serve others (choose love) in some contexts, and themselves (fear) in others.

Namaste Wrote:Wanting to serve others does not mean one would choose prolonging the suffering just so they could.

Namaste Wrote:One could also offer the notion that it's selfish to want it to be peaceful post 2012, as that's removing the opportunity of choice/catalyst to entities here which may benefit from it. 3D Earth is 3D Earth. It offers (hard) lessons and choices. That's the point, and that's why many incarnate here :¬)

Namaste Wrote:Remember, there are infinite spheres to incarnate on. If souls want an easy trip, they can choose it. If they want a hard one, like this place, they can choose it.

Namaste Wrote:Sounds selfish to me ;¬)

Namaste Wrote:The second point is why we're here. It's the point of being a Wanderer - to help others make the harvest. Wanting to cut the time short in a 'too bad' fashion seems quite backwards/STS to me.

Namaste Wrote:Is that not why we came here, after all? :¬)

16.54 Wrote:Questioner: If a Wanderer should be successfully infringed upon, shall I say, by the Orion group, what would happen to this Wanderer when harvest came?

Ra: I am Ra. If the Wanderer entity demonstrated through action a negative orientation towards other-selves it would be as we have said before, caught into the planetary vibration and, when harvested, possibly repeat again the master cycle of third density as a planetary entity.

52.9 Wrote:Questioner: I would just include the question as to why the time of harvest is selected by so many Wanderers as time for incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by the terms self and other-self.

The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

There are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.

(12-22-2011, 12:51 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-22-2011, 12:43 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So will it be smooth sailing after 2012, with regard to catalyst?

Well I would hope so! How depressing must it feel for one to think they have the "rest of their lives" to keep getting pummeled with this intense catalyst.

(12-22-2011, 04:24 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: I dont think its as selfish as you think. Is it selfish for the proverbial clock to strike midnight? Its like being angry at the car that hit you and not the driver for a poor judgement call. IMO of course.

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Also to those saying nothing significant will happen around summer 2012 and/or winter solstice 2012, I pose this challenge: are you considering the effin' quarantine will be lifted? I'm not sure which other channels have stated it, but I know I was watching a Bashar channeled session where he was talking about the quarantine being lifted(with a quite humorous candor, I might add.)

(12-23-2011, 02:38 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I always thought learning about oneself was interesting, not depressing. Considering it is a rare opportunity to learn 100 times faster than higher densities, seems like a worthwhile investment. This is a goldmine if you happen to be a goldminer.

TN Wrote:This is a good point. Though I am not really coming from escapism. If I may be so bold- I consider myself to be a wanderer. Which means... I am not here primarily to help others polarize. I am here to assist with the harvest of those who, of their own accord and free-will choices, and acceptance of carefully constructed catalyst, have already polarized.

We are not the Gardeners. We are the Harvesters.

Ra Wrote:The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

TN Wrote:Selective service sounds STS to me

TN Wrote:So then... what would be the point of prolonging the suffering post-2012, again? You've lost me here. It looks like you have contradicted yourself to me.

TN Wrote:Moreover, I don't recall ever taking a "bodhisattva vow". I came here to do a job, and go home. Just like millions upon millions of other wanderers. Our job is to assist with the harvest, not hang around indefinitely until every last straggling human crosses the 51% mark. We are here in response to a call, which means our response-ability is to those who made the call. No more, no less.

(12-23-2011, 09:20 AM)Namaste Wrote: We're not the harvesters, there's a fleet of beings in charge of that.

(12-23-2011, 07:27 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: To clarify.. the 'learning about oneself' comes through seeing those things about yourself that you get to express or are required to express or are shown in forming an appropriate response to catalyst?

(12-23-2011, 09:20 AM)Namaste Wrote:

(12-23-2011, 02:38 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I always thought learning about oneself was interesting, not depressing. Considering it is a rare opportunity to learn 100 times faster than higher densities, seems like a worthwhile investment. This is a goldmine if you happen to be a goldminer.

My sentiments exactly. It's a gift to be alive at this time.

Quote:The solar system spirals into an area of the galaxy which aids the creation of the 4D sphere, completed by 21/12/2012. No where in the material does it state (or even hint) that only 51% STO beings will exist in third density after this time.

(12-23-2011, 03:30 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I thought catalyst was personal. How can we take on someone else's catalyst?

1.9 Wrote:Questioner: If an individual makes efforts to act as a catalyst in general to increase the awareness of planetary consciousness, is he of any aid in that direction, or is he doing nothing but acting upon himself?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall answer your question in two parts, both of which are important equally.

Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.

To turn to the second part of our response may we state our understanding, limited though it is.

Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes, which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

Each of those in this group is striving to use, digest, and diversify the information which we are sending this instrument into the channels of the mind/body/spirit complex without distortion. The few whom you will illuminate by sharing your light are far more than enough reason for the greatest possible effort. To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the original thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.

(12-23-2011, 03:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Wanderers don't need this catalyst.

(12-23-2011, 10:52 AM)Icaro Wrote:

(12-23-2011, 09:20 AM)Namaste Wrote: We're not the harvesters, there's a fleet of beings in charge of that.

Totally disagree. I'll be making a thread about this subject over the weekend. As you say, it has to do with offering our vibration.

Quote:51.1 Questioner: ... The first is clearing up the final point about harvest. I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic?

Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or Higher Self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their Higher Self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

(12-23-2011, 03:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Wanderers don't need this catalyst.

TN Wrote:Yes, at some level those things are in place to help people out when they are in a tough spot. But when society becomes dependent upon them, when they become a crutch, there is a serious problem.

TN Wrote:Same thing is going on with all this catalyst flying around. So I can use it to polarize even more positively, and to grow in compassion. So what? All that means is that wanderers are not letting all this good catalyst go to waste... but it was not meant for us in the first place. It was meant for all those people with their heads in the dirt.

TN Wrote:

Quote:The solar system spirals into an area of the galaxy which aids the creation of the 4D sphere, completed by 21/12/2012. No where in the material does it state (or even hint) that only 51% STO beings will exist in third density after this time.

So let me ask you this... as the planet continues to spiral into higher and higher frequencies, how exactly is one who does not accept or respond to these new energies supposed to stay physical, if they have not done the work necessary to prepare themselves to receive it?

(12-23-2011, 04:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Not according to the material. They also need to be here for their own evolution.

Quote:Almost all wanderers are pre-higher-self actualization.

(12-23-2011, 08:05 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: P.S. zenmaster, Just to satisfy my previously stated suspicion on Earthlings, would you say you are ever wrong on anything? Is there any example that you could point to where your personal opinion/belief/view in not correct? I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. (expecting no reply but one can dream)

Tenet Nosce Wrote:In every case of apparent discrepancies, upon deep pondering and analysis, I arrived at the conclusion that I was previously wrong about a certain concept. Or perhaps wrong is too strong of a word. How about... incorrect.

(12-23-2011, 09:01 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: HaHa! I have never counted you (Tenet Nosce) in the the group of "Most Earthlings", and your use of your own statement as an analog of a zenmaster answer was well played and much enjoyed.

Quote:I really don't want my suspicion of Most Earthlings always needing to be right and win no matter what to apply in this case, I love being wrong and I'd love to be wrong.

(12-23-2011, 10:15 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: I've also heard that Human Beings are somewhat "Hard-Wired" to believe whatever it is they believe no matter what, as a kind of Evolutionary function.

Quote:Blades were first produced by Homo sapiens during their colonization of Europe from Africa approximately 40,000 years ago. This has traditionally been thought to be a dramatic technological advance, helping Homo sapiens out-compete, and eventually eradicate, their Stone Age cousins. Yet when the research team analysed their data there was no statistical difference between the efficiency of the two technologies. In fact, their findings showed that in some respects the flakes favoured by Neanderthals were more efficient than the blades adopted by Homo sapiens.

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Now that it is established that there is no technical advantage to blades, why did Homo sapiens adopt this technology during their colonization of Europe? The researchers suggest that the reason for this shift may be more cultural or symbolic. Eren explains: "Colonizing a continent isn't easy. Colonizing a continent during the Ice Age is even harder. So, for early Homo sapiens colonizing Ice Age Europe, a new shared and flashy-looking technology might serve as one form of social glue by which larger social networks were bonded. Thus, during hard times and resource droughts these larger social networks might act like a type of 'life insurance,' ensuring exchange and trade among members on the same 'team.'"

Quote:The Truth is often much too scary for the average person.

(12-23-2011, 05:37 PM)Namaste Wrote: Ra states there are various levels of entities which watch over the harvest. Wanderers were not included :¬)

(12-23-2011, 05:37 PM)Namaste Wrote: ...

(12-23-2011, 09:01 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: "A Fool always think he's right but a Wise Man knows when he's wrong"

(12-23-2011, 11:22 PM)Icaro Wrote:

(12-23-2011, 05:37 PM)Namaste Wrote: Ra states there are various levels of entities which watch over the harvest. Wanderers were not included :¬)

Yes, 51.1 will be the subject of the thread actually. Wanderers are members of the Confederation. Save the debate for the thread though!

(12-22-2011, 01:13 PM)godwide_void Wrote: We are all harvested upon death, and we are all harvested if we reach certain criteria in our 3D conduct by a certain time.

(12-21-2011, 12:09 PM)Diana Wrote: The transcripts are fantastic to me so far, and I would agree with TN that they are sadly limited by the questioners. But it is easy from our perspective to see the overall content and think, "Why didn't he ask X?"

Yadda Wrote:We, my friends, do not care what you believe, not one little bit, and you should not be concerned with what another believes. But you should be, and we are, vitally concerned with how another has arrived at his conclusions about anything, let alone survival and communication. That is interesting. Not only is it interesting, but it is vital for us to know.

To simply tell me what you believe does nothing for me because I have a belief of my own that may be totally different from yours. This may cause, and often does, war between two people, for never is your belief as good as mine, as right as mine, as true and mine. "I am one of the chosen of God, you are chosen if at all, by the devil." So you see, my friends, we get no where by asking another his opinion about life.

But to sit down and talk and ask, "How did you arrive at what you believe, my friend?" This not only informs me about the nature of what is called thought, in general, but it tells me the nature, the character of this individual. It tells me where his fears lie, where his hopes and joys and his pains originate. Remember, my friends, that all is mind, all is but consciousness. We walk and have our being in the Light that is called Christness, the Light, not space and time as separate entities from consciousness.

(12-23-2011, 11:22 PM)Icaro Wrote:

(12-23-2011, 05:37 PM)Namaste Wrote: Ra states there are various levels of entities which watch over the harvest. Wanderers were not included :¬)

Yes, 51.1 will be the subject of the thread actually. Wanderers are members of the Confederation. Save the debate for the thread though!

(12-23-2011, 11:42 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: It appears we have have reached the point in this particular discussion where we are merely having a difference of opinion, rather than arguing over the facts of the material. This is well.

Thank you again for bringing this topic up, and for the enlightening and lively discussion.

(12-23-2011, 09:01 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: Tenet Nosce,

HaHa! I have never counted you (Tenet Nosce) in the the group of "Most Earthlings", and your use of your own statement as an analog of a zenmaster answer was well played and much enjoyed.

I really don't want my suspicion of Most Earthlings always needing to be right and win no matter what to apply in this case, I love being wrong and I'd love to be wrong. I'd love for zen to let me know he has been wrong/incorrect in the past or even the present, then I probably wouldn't laugh so much. Ever hear the saying like "A Fool always think he's right but a Wise Man knows when he's wrong" Wise Men aren't as funny.