(12-19-2011, 12:40 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Doesn't surprise me. I feel I need to develop these through experience rather then meditation/specific energy work. As I have been lacking both red/yellow physically related activities lately.

(12-19-2011, 03:57 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-19-2011, 12:40 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Doesn't surprise me. I feel I need to develop these through experience rather then meditation/specific energy work. As I have been lacking both red/yellow physically related activities lately.

yellow and yellow/orange are pmuch the only actualy "physical" colors.

the root doesnt make you any more physical at all.. altho lacking activity in "all chakras but the root" means you are physical by default.

(12-20-2011, 01:59 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: I see, any advice for developing these chakras? Also does the fact I see gold/green/purple mean I'am a 5th or 6th density wanderer ?

Quote:The delicacy, shall we say, of the choosing of the crystal is very critical and, in truth, a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby can be used by a purified channel who is filled with the love/light of One, in almost any application.

(12-20-2011, 04:53 AM)Liet Wrote:

(12-20-2011, 01:59 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: I see, any advice for developing these chakras? Also does the fact I see gold/green/purple mean I'am a 5th or 6th density wanderer ?

5th turning 6th.

to develop the root just make sure that your energies always extend outwards from the root (and dont disconect it from its origin)...
the lower parts of the root (aka legs) are directly connected with (yields to) the belly/solarplexus -> "active crown" and brow/forehead...
and the area just above the root with the heart/throat -> "passive crown"

the root is connected with the entire spectrum, hence

Quote:The delicacy, shall we say, of the choosing of the crystal is very critical and, in truth, a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby can be used by a purified channel who is filled with the love/light of One, in almost any application.

to develop the solar plexus you might wanna be preforming active meditation, aka not sitting around trying to feel everything around you (as much as otherwise).
force it (atleast to some extent)... be in control..... be the leader of your energies.
also; entering physical activity "being mobile" // working out, will strengthen it.

(12-20-2011, 11:13 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(12-20-2011, 04:53 AM)Liet Wrote: to develop the solar plexus you might wanna be preforming active meditation, aka not sitting around trying to feel everything around you (as much as otherwise).
force it (atleast to some extent)... be in control..... be the leader of your energies.
also; entering physical activity "being mobile" // working out, will strengthen it.

Haha thanks mate that makes a lot of sense. I have been slacking off physically lately, done to much sitting around. Have a friend who came back from a different city the other day for the holidays, he is very active and spontaneous. Guess he will be my saviour.

(12-04-2011, 03:27 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-03-2011, 06:20 PM)turtledude23 Wrote:

(12-03-2011, 04:52 PM)Liet Wrote: so... ur red/orange/yellow/violet/indigo turning white?

I have no idea.

the thousand petal lotus.

back away abit from the screen... focus in the center, increase your color intake whilst observing the pic with your perhiperal vision when your mind is blank... what do you see?

now focus on each individual chakra, what do you see? which ones are of basic color and which make gold/silver/radiant-gold appear, which chakras cant be made seen? (or is difficult to)

afaik; when you are ready to be harvested towards the (mid?) 6th Density, you will see nothing but radiant-gold (which can split into the lime-gold-purple-silver combination).. this equals white (when you close your eyes) and seeing lime/pink around dark/bright borders.

Quote:14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?

Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

(12-23-2011, 07:41 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: The whole concept of 7th Density does not offer anything appealing to me in any way. RA says this of 7d: "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." That's not cool, I want a memory, I want an identity, I want a future. Therefore I'd like to think I have found and am using this "Loophole", that as long as I keep switching Polarities and Wandering Back and starting all over again, 7D Graduation is never attained.

(12-25-2011, 03:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

(12-25-2011, 05:47 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 03:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

(12-26-2011, 12:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 05:47 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 03:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).
life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

(12-26-2011, 07:00 AM)Liet Wrote:

(12-26-2011, 12:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 05:47 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 03:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).
life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

oh they do know what it entails..... they just dont wanna get it right out in plain speach.

7th is the "eternal instant"... the restart happend when the 8th comes about..

cant say for sure that its the case (that things "restart" rather than continuing up in densities forever), but by everything they've said.. like "after this point theres no more looking back"... to me, its rock-solid

"theres no more looking back" means "you are no longer reflective" which means "you are no longer within the end of the spectrum"

the end of the spectrum is the most reflective
the beginning of the spectrum is the least reflective

(12-26-2011, 12:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 05:47 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 03:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

52:12 Wrote:Questioner: In the previous session you mentioned the lightbringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these lightbringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion. Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

36.8 Wrote:Questioner: I’m sorry for having so much trouble with these concepts, but they are very difficult I am sure to translate into our understanding and language. Some of my questions may be rather ridiculous, but does this Higher Self have some type of vehicle like our physical vehicle? Does it have a bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The Higher Self is of a certain advancement within sixth-density going into the seventh. After the seventh has been well entered the mind/body/spirit complex becomes so totally a mind/body/spirit complex totality that it begins to gather spiritual mass and approach the octave density. Thus the looking backwards is finished at that point.

(12-03-2011, 07:39 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I know I feel empathy for others easily. Now, to feel joy again, that would be something.

(12-26-2011, 12:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 05:47 PM)Liet Wrote:

(12-25-2011, 03:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

Aaron Wrote:There is no such thing as absolute evil. There are those beings who are negatively polarized in service to self and act in love for that self. The selfishness of that motivation, let us say the self-centeredness of that motivation, may cause immense suffering for others, yet one must still acknowledge that this being is motivated by some form of love, however distorted that love may be. Such a being may indeed even graduate from the earth plane, carrying that negative distortion; but it cannot return to the One ultimately, cannot move through the higher densities beyond sixth density with that negative distortion. It becomes a dead end. So, it may carry its negative distortion to a very high level, but eventually it must change its polarity to proceed.

We have transcripts available that detail this process of reversal of polarity. Should that interest any of you, they can be found and Barbara can provide, so I will not speak of it in depth.[1]

The difference in path, then, seems to be that the path of service to others speaks of awareness of the suffering of all beings and the deeply heartfelt desire to alleviate suffering. The path of service to self ignores that suffering because it accentuates the separate self. It cannot ultimately carry one back to full unity with the Creator because there is still the delusion of separation. It is therefore a truly more difficult path. Can one begin to have compassion for beings who are set on that path rather than fear and hatred of them? Their negative distortion causes as much pain to them as to others.

Having made the decision to live one’s life in service to others, one is constantly confronted by that fear in oneself which leads to grasping and aversion to self-service. Service to others and service to self are not mutually exclusive. This is a misunderstanding. Let us return to that imaginary being with the apple, whom we introduced last night. The apple is offered, seeing the child’s hunger. But what if it were the only food that the apple holder had, and that apple holder had also not eaten for several days? Is that thought, “I also am hungry,” an evil thought? We chop the apple in half and trust that further sustenance will be offered to each.

The self is also an other. You are part of this great scheme of things. To simply become a martyr and offer yourself with no respect for the needs of the self is to make needless sacrifice. Indeed, one must begin to respect the needs of the self while distinguishing which needs grow out of love and healthy respect, and which grow out of fear. That being who has had a full breakfast and the promise of a full lunch has no need to take half the apple. Can you hear the voice of fear that says, “What if I need it?” and simply note, “This is old mind speaking”? “In this present moment, I am not hungry and this child is hungry. In this present moment, I have no need of this food. I can give it freely.” But mind goes back to those past experiences of hunger or deprivation of any sort, and that old-mind consciousness wants to hoard because of the very basic human fear, “Will my needs be met?”

The person who lives its life in awareness will notice the arising of such thoughts and be able to identify what is the bare perception of this moment and what is old-mind habit. That same being, noticing that the desire to hold on to the apple is old-mind habit, that there is no present hunger or need—that same being will not scorn itself because that habitual reaction has arisen. It will see that reaction not as its own greed to be hated but as human fear which must be touched with compassion. So, it notices the old-mind habit arising in itself. It notices its movement toward contempt for that habit and it asks itself also to have compassion for the human with those fears, thus allowing space for it all to float. It then finds freedom to come back to the bare perception, to recognize in this moment, “There’s no hunger. I can give this.”

By bringing this level of awareness to each arising thought, emotion, and sensation, one begins to move away from the boundaries of old-mind habit, to live one’s life in the present, in the now. It is only in this moment that one can live with love and wisdom.

What I want you to see here is that the choice of service to self/service to others is not clear-cut: “I’m generous!” or, “I’m selfish!” Rather, it is built on staying in this moment with a deep respect for all beings, knowing oneself to be part of this linked chain of beings, heart open to the needs of all, seeing fear as it arises and making the conscious effort not to live by the dictates of fear.

How to walk a spiritual path? This, to me, is the essence of it: to notice each dialogue with fear and have the courage to remove oneself from that dialogue, not hating one’s fear, but also not owning one’s fear nor being controlled by it. It takes much courage. As you work with this, you come to an intersection. You find that there is a, what I call, “horizontal practice of relative reality,” living one’s life skillfully and lovingly, moment by moment, but that there is an illusory self who is doing that skillful, loving living.

There is also a “vertical practice” which cuts through the illusion of self. Q’uo just spoke to you of this. When it is next my turn to speak I will elaborate on it, but first I would like to pass the microphone back to Q’uo, who would like to speak to us to elaborate on some of what I have just spoken of. That is all.

[1] Deep Spring Center for Meditation and Spiritual Inquiry, 3003 Washtenaw Avenue, Suite 2, Ann Arbor, MI 48104; www.deepspring.org/archives.

Aaron Wrote:I am talking here about beings ... Let's go back to this question of density again. In fourth and fifth density, there are still the vestiges of an emotional body. In sixth density ... I use the term "density" here as a description of the density of the energy, how much shadow and how much clarity there is in it. Sixth density is the level of the higher self: there's no more emotional body at all. And yet, there is still a self; there is still personal awareness and memory. Seventh density is the beginning of moving beyond the self. The mental body also begins to fall away. There must be a tool of "self" in order to teach others. Pure awareness cannot manipulate that awareness so as to teach. The being who is capable of moving into seventh and then into eighth density, manifesting its energy as the pure spirit body returned to the awareness of full union with God-the being ready for seventh density who elects to stay in sixth density so that it can function as a teacher for others is doing what Jesus or the Buddha did.

Buddhism has a term for such beings. There is a word, "Bodhisattva." This is one who recognizes the suffering in the universe and is willing to come back to incarnation over and over again, rather than finding its own freedom ... coming back to serve others. That's one level-to be willing to return to third density. Another form of Bodhisattva is one willing to remain in sixth density.

That spirit that became Jesus was a sixth density being at the time that it agreed to come back. It was a sixth density being fully ready to move into eighth density, and held itself in sixth density only because of its desire and willingness to serve others. It knew that it would progress beyond sixth density when its work was done, but that it needed that mental body in order to continue its service. Following that final incarnation, the Buddha moved to that same level, and that being could also have progressed, but chose not to do so, but remained for some time to teach.

There are many beings who are capable of moving into seventh and eighth densities, and who yet remain at sixth density. Some of those beings moved to sixth density through third and fourth and fifth density, not quickly as the Buddha did. So, perhaps, there was nothing that remarkable about them on Earth except that they became ready to graduate, as many beings do, into fourth density ... that there was no more karmic need to incarnate. They became more remarkable when they reached this level of sixth density and were ready to progress into seventh density and said, "No, I am willing to remain with this to serve." In your terminology, such beings are thought of as angels. That is the closest definition for the word "angel" that I can offer: a being of sixth density that does not progress of its own free will, but stays in sixth density to be of service to others.

(12-23-2011, 07:41 PM)Tyler Durden Maybe Wrote: I'd like to imagine that I've switched Polarities a number of times. In fact, I'd like to think that I'm going for the All Time Creation Wide Record of Polarity Switching as the "Loophole" to never having to Graduate to 7D. The whole concept of 7th Density does not offer anything appealing to me in any way. RA says this of 7d: "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." That's not cool, I want a memory, I want an identity, I want a future. Therefore I'd like to think I have found and am using this "Loophole", that as long as I keep switching Polarities and Wandering Back and starting all over again, 7D Graduation is never attained.

(01-09-2012, 11:57 AM)Ankh Wrote: Tenet Nosce, Ra stated that Jesus entity was of fourth density perfecting that density's lessons of love, and after that incarnation graduating into fifth density of wisdom/light.

Ankh Wrote:Q'uo stated that angelic beings, with some few exceptions, are beings that have never been incarnated and never will. These beings never left the vibration of the Creator/infinity.

Ankh Wrote:That's not the purpose of my post.

Ankh Wrote:However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

Ankh Wrote:I encounter this a lot, when reading different sources that are saying different things, and which sometimes even contradict each other.

(01-09-2012, 12:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Yes, Ra did. I would only point out here that the source of this particular information is Session 17, which also appears to be the source of many confusing concepts and incessantly arguable points from the Ra material.

Quote:What is the purpose of your post?

Ankh Wrote:However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:I actively seek out this sort of contrast and find ponderance upon these to be quite illuminating. I do observe there are those parts of me that would sometimes prefer to have things all neatly packaged up with cute little bows tied around them, and to dispense with the mystery of this density. This is the part that would prefer to condense the whole of spiritual seeking down to a few simple quips or phrases of wisdom, or who would for example, elevate one particular source of information over the rest.

Yet I also see these desires arise from a fearful/doubtful part of me that results from being in such a heavily veiled environment. I am coming to see this as simply another opportunity for me to practice love and faith toward myself.

(12-03-2011, 07:58 PM)Oceania Wrote: i feel empathy for animals. rarely for humans. i want humans to be happy but i feel more strong for animals usually. what does that mean?

(01-09-2012, 12:32 PM)Ankh Wrote: Do you think that the information about Jesus in session 17, in the Ra material is not correct?

Ankh Wrote:This is the purpose:

Ankh Wrote:However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

(01-09-2012, 12:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Ankh Wrote:This is the purpose:

Ankh Wrote:However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

That is a statement, which which I would mostly agree. However- please forgive my apparent dullness of perception- I am still failing to see the purpose. Would it possibly be to "protect" your other-selves from confusion? I would prefer not to project my own thoughts into your mind. Would you perhaps spell it out for me?

(01-09-2012, 01:01 PM)Ankh Wrote: No, no protection of any kind. Just expressing my thoughts that contradicting information is confusing to our mind in this current space/time, which is as you point out before, is the purpose of the veil. This purpose is to "know thyself".

Ankh Wrote:Further thoughts, that had nothing to do with my original post, is that the mind, bathing in too much confusion, may have difficulties to find focus.

(01-09-2012, 01:13 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: It could focus on the confusion! But then again, that may result in more confusion...