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RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - yossarian - 09-12-2011 (09-12-2011, 03:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I appear to recall, somewhere in the depths of my being, a type of existence where this does not occur. As such, confusion is confusing to me. We could create this forum. It would require behavioural ground rules that are clear enough to be publicly agreed on from a 3d logical point of view. The rules would be stuff like refraining from personal comments unless personal comments are the topic of a particular thread, for instance. This would improve the quality of the forum when it comes to discussions of concepts and could avoid all the derailing into personal issues. But then it would be a different forum, and perhaps not as useful catalyst. It's arguable that those highly disturbing personal drama issues, while not being the most fun thing on Earth, are the most spiritually valuable and the best catalyst. Even though they get in the way of truth seeking. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-12-2011 TN, thank you for all your kind words, my brother. It warmed my heart! ![]() You were creative in contemplating death in order to improve your relationships with the self and other selves. Although you stated that you are doing just fine, and don't consider such things as suicide, I wonder - are you longing to death/"ascension"? Sure I can share my personal opinion/belief: I believe in gradual Harvest, and I mean very, very slow. I believe that more and more of those, inhabiting dual bodies, will be incarnating, until there are only those entities alive, meaning that at that point everyone will be those new 4D+ entities, whose home this planet is. When there are no more 3D entities, who have not yet made up their mind regarding the choice, those 3/4+ entities will be giving birth to pure 4D+ bodies. This will happen in a distant (for you and me) future. Everyone who is dying now are subejcts to the Harvest. I had hard time to accept those "steps of light" that are stated in the material and that Carla talks about. Then, "by accident", I read a book called "Saved by the Light" which is probably written by one of those 4D+ entities incarnated in dual body, named Dannion Brinkley. In that book he writes about his near death experience. How he vibrated in certain frequency, but when he forgave some people reviewing his life, he started to vibrate at higher frequency and was on higher level as other higher entities; and there was also some light experiences when it becomes to glaring. Long story short, it sure sounded like those "light steps". It made more sense to me, but still, I've always pictured another scenario. And in that scenario it was an instant merging, or perhaps "ascending", into my true Self; instantly leaving the inner planes of the Earth, and there were no "steps of light" either. But hey, what do I know? Now I choose to believe that everything is going to be alright. I will be expecting this "ascension" (I really don't like that word), but if not - it's ok too. Back to the topic of Harvest, I don't think that anyone will notice something unusual, or remarkable such as a sudden veil removal, death etc. I think that it will be spread out over a very long time. Regarding bracketing - I think that since Q'uo channelings are made in conscious state of mind, sometimes people who are channeling this group skip few words, as you can see in that quote you provided. Thank you very much for the quote. Would you please remind me what session it was from? Thank you! Love and light! ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - AnthroHeart - 09-12-2011 Ankh, have you heard when David Wilcock talked about project Looking Glass? It was a device that could see into the future. He gets his info from some insiders. Basically the device was like a reverse-engineered pineal gland. He says that after 2012, it all turns white. Is there something to this, that maybe in 2012, something happens perhaps in time/space where the future is no longer predictable like it was? I don't yet have a conclusion, though the energy is definitely increasing at what feels like an exponential pace. It's quite disorienting at times. Feels like I'm in a strong magnetic field that pulls and tugs at every part of me, especially around my face and jaw area. If it were something sudden (or perhaps over a few months) I wouldn't be surprised. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-12-2011 No, I have not, Wolf. I meant space/time when talking about the Harvest. If it will be sudden - cool! As I said, what do I know? Thinking in these lines I am just more prone to believe that everybody at this time being will live through their lives, and die of "high age". Nothing extraordinary will happen, and changes can only be seen over a long period of time. I might be, and perhaps even am, wrong =) RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-12-2011 (09-12-2011, 08:27 PM)Ankh Wrote: You were creative in contemplating death in order to improve your relationships with the self and other selves. Although you stated that you are doing just fine, and don't consider such things as suicide, I wonder - are you longing to death/"ascension"? Well, actually I have for a while been of the mind that there is no such thing as "ascension" as the idea means taking this physical body with you into another density. However, 70.15 as posted above implies that this may actually be possible in special cases. Also, while we are on this quote... there is little mention of the Council of Nine, but for a few quotes. Incidentally, would you happen to know where to find more information on this? I did a Google search for Mark Probert and Henry Puharich and didn't notice anything independent from sites that are talking about the Law of One. One more thing, now that I think about it. When I was reviewing the some of the Cassiopaean channelings they made a comment I found intriguing. I might go back and pull the exact quote, but the gist of it was something like: there are really no "councils" or "hierarchies" but that these are control mechanisms that STS uses to trick STO into enslavement. I hope I am not misstating it... but I am pretty sure that was the general sentiment. Any thoughts on this? (09-12-2011, 09:47 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Ankh, have you heard when David Wilcock talked about project Looking Glass? It was a device that could see into the future. He gets his info from some insiders. Basically the device was like a reverse-engineered pineal gland. Sorry to jump right on on your post to Ankh... but it is MY awakening thread!! ![]() Actually, I just wanted to pull forward this reply to you from More Positive But Less Harvestable. Perhaps it will be more productive to hash some of these things out here: 07-11-2011, 11:51 AM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2011 01:57 PM by Tenet Nosce.) Post: #70 ![]() ![]() Another You ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 475 Likes Given: 215 Likes Received: 193 in 159 posts Joined: May 2010 RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable Quote: (07-11-2011 11:36 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What did you mean by Curse of Ra? I didn't see any reference to Ra in that page. Though it did make interesting reading. Quote:David Wilcock Wrote:In other words, it seems to be a wrinkle in time, where you have to pass through this point where all the graphs would go flatline. I am trying to say that Ra's actions are why the graph "goes flatline" when the remote viewers hit the end of 2012. Because of the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact, we are blind to the truth about 2012. Each must choose between the "original version" eventuated as the natural result of human evolution and the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication, through the unforeseen consequence of how it would be become twisted in Time in the minds of those not prepared to receive the Law of One. Moreover, I view the work of David Wilcock to be, in many ways, a continuation of the attempt to patch this Wrinkle In Time. So, the "Curse of Ra" is also the "hidden key" to history which provides for a continuity of misguided thinking, framed in false eschatology, from the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom to modern day. Maybe in some way, Ra's intervention was a reflection of action taken in an even more distant time... the fabled Golden Age where the gods lived amongst men, and mated with them. Tenet Nosce RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Oldern - 09-13-2011 Great opening post, and a lengthy discussion already, I have to say : ) Well. If I am a wanderer, then I did a hell of a bad job out of it so far. One thing I was always sure in this lifetime: the usual issues of my schoolmates, work colleagues and "peers" (not to mention: relatives) eluded me. I did not get why one has to be measured against others to be succesful. I did not get the testosteron-heavy fights and alpha-male seeking that continues even after school. I did not get the "existentiality". When I was living in the university dorm with two other people in a 3*2m room for years, I gave up (unconsciously!) on my "private life" and many people I know resented even visiting me, seeing how little space I have to live in. Well, as a "geek", it was okay for me, but looking back in retrospective, there might have been more to that. Now that I have been pondering with chakra opening meditation, I really feel like my life has become better now that I focus on the "existantial" side of me that really has been neglected (red/orange/yellow, and luckily green should be alright now : ). Does this translate into being a wanderer? My mind was always open to everything being one, connected. I had a deeper sense of supernatural since a child. I do not know what that means, but I am sure at least in that I am not like others, whose main problem is fame, money, sexuality and constant fighting in the places they learn/live/study. I am not immaculate, but these are not defining properties to me. Well, if this translate into simply being in an incarnation when I am facing different issues or being a wanderer is a question I cannot yet answer. All I know is that since encountering Ra material, all I can think about when doing creative stuff is "how can I slowly, steadily inject this knowledge into those that might be compatible with it, even if they themselves do not know it?". RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-13-2011 (09-12-2011, 11:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Well, actually I have for a while been of the mind that there is no such thing as "ascension" as the idea means taking this physical body with you into another density. However, 70.15 as posted above implies that this may actually be possible in special cases. As I understand that quote, the "body" that Ra speak of, is not the heavy, chemical complex that we carry around in this space/time. Tenet Nosce Wrote:Also, while we are on this quote... there is little mention of the Council of Nine, but for a few quotes. Incidentally, would you happen to know where to find more information on this? I did a Google search for Mark Probert and Henry Puharich and didn't notice anything independent from sites that are talking about the Law of One. No, my brother, I don't know. I have stopped searching, for the moment. My thoughts are that all these words like Creator, Council of Nine and similar, will have a completely different meaning once we are out of this illusion. It is hard to wrap the current mind around these concepts using words, as words themselves are limiting. Once you are "out of here", you'll see, you'll understand these concepts using the Law of One, or perhaps telephatic contact with unity, or one-ness. That is my belief. Tenet Nosce Wrote:Sorry to jump right on on your post to Ankh... but it is MY awakening thread!! By all means, my brother, please do jump in whenever you feel for it. ![]() Tenet Nosce Wrote:I am trying to say that Ra's actions are why the graph "goes flatline" when the remote viewers hit the end of 2012. Because of the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact, we are blind to the truth about 2012. Each must choose between the "original version" eventuated as the natural result of human evolution and the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication, through the unforeseen consequence of how it would be become twisted in Time in the minds of those not prepared to receive the Law of One. Moreover, I view the work of David Wilcock to be, in many ways, a continuation of the attempt to patch this Wrinkle In Time. These thoughts that you express, and for that matter, everyone else's thoughts, like David Wilcock's etc, are based on "the reality as we know it" in this space/time. That reality or illusion, extends to the time/space which is hidden behind the veil for incarnated 3D beings. We create our own reality they say, and yes at some extent we all do that. That is why we are called co-Creators. Yet, in my opinion, as we who are incarnated in space/time are hidden, or live (means think), behind the veil, we are not seeing the "whole picture" so to speak, that is the time/space, among other things. May I specifically ask you what you mean by this: Tenet Nosce Wrote:the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact And this: Tenet Nosce Wrote:the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-13-2011 (09-12-2011, 08:27 PM)Ankh Wrote: You were creative in contemplating death in order to improve your relationships with the self and other selves. Although you stated that you are doing just fine, and don't consider such things as suicide, I wonder - are you longing to death/"ascension"? I simply long for peace and to exist in a peaceful sphere of influence. Not my own little "peace bubble". Real peace. Lasting peace. I've got it.... it is the huge "sigh of relief" one feels upon departing. That is the feeling I am looking for. If I can find that feeling within this environment, so much the better. (09-13-2011, 08:00 AM)Ankh Wrote: May I specifically ask you what you mean by this: Yes. Allow me to provide some seed thoughts for contemplation. Please be aware these ideas were- and are still- in the formative stages and are an attempt to intellectualize what I have been intuitively perceiving. Tenet Nosce Wrote:the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact Tenet Nosce Wrote:the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication Ra made contact with humans. Their teachings were distorted so as to be used to infringe upon the free will of humans, rather than to accentuate it and liberate them. I am sensing this has something to do with the concept of "harvest" as it was originally presented, and its being twisted into the historical eschatology of "Armageddon" as forwarded by those in contact with Yahweh, and passed down to us through the lineage of the Judaeo-Christian-Muslim (Abrahamic) belief system. This distortion is still -in this very moment- resulting in all manner of confusion as to the nature of this event. In particular is the notion that, since "Armageddon" is upon us, we must look to be "saved" by external figures such as Jesus/Maitreya/ETs etc. Another way that this creates an issue is because "2012" has become so identified with these catastrophic beliefs, that the average person does not look past that in order to investigate into the true meaning. As a corollary- I have suggested the possibility that a premature focus on "earth changes" in the latest contact by Ra has contributed to a continuation of this distorting influence. Free will has been abrogated because people are being offered a false choice. It is being framed in an EITHER/OR context... as has played out in this forum as the sudden/gradual conceptions of harvest. I humbly suggest that it is not EITHER/OR but somehow BOTH/AND. Moreover, I am hypothesizing that the ability to shift from EITHER/OR to BOTH/AND style of thinking.... IS EXACTLY THE SHIFT ITSELF. My apologies if this comment was confusing to you. I didn't mean to imply that Ra's contact infringed upon free will. I am insinuating that the conscious, and repeated, manipulation of Ra's message by Orion influences has resulted in an abrogation of free will by disallowing the populace to perceive that -other choices- are available to them. Please also refer to my post here in More Positive But Less Harvestable. Specifically the following excerpt: Quote:The main thing has to do with eschatology, which I will admit I didn't know the definition of until a few days ago. Basically, the term refers to beliefs about the end of the world. Does this suffice, or do you have further inquiries as to my meaning with these statements to which you referred? RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - βαθμιαίος - 09-13-2011 I've always been curious why Ra couldn't talk about mummification "without infringement upon some basic energy balances between the positive and negative forces upon your planet." Quote:60.29 Questioner: Was there a purpose for mummification having to do with anything other than bodily burial? RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Meerie - 09-14-2011 According to some info Dolores Cannon gained during a regression session, there was knowledge in ancient Egypt about how to resurrect mummies back to life. There fore the bodies had to be conserved, and not left to decomposition. From what I remember you can imagine it kind of like a walk-in. Some entity wanted a body, but not incarnate in the usual way, and therefore used a mummy. (of course that is not in line with Ra ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - GreatSpirit - 09-14-2011 I think it would just be another reanimated object. It would essentially be worthless for the entity to learn specific lessons here, so it would be left the grunt work of eating brains and walking very slow. lol. Now creating/cloning physical body complexes for incarnation is a different story IMO. The Annunaki did it and I'm starting to believe that the Annunaki certainly didn't create ALL of the humans we see on Earth. Other humanoid races had to have placed their genetic seed in one of the homo species. I always wonder what our bodies would've been like and even what our lives would've been like if mankind was allowed to evolve 100% naturally, and apparently until 400,000 years ago, we were evolving 100% naturally. I think our 3D bodies would look a little similar to what we are in now, but more facially apelike in appearance and much greater strength and more use of the brain. Neanderthals are speculated to have had an equal or higher cranial capacity than we do currently. (09-14-2011, 01:37 AM)Meerie Wrote: According to some info Dolores Cannon gained during a regression session, there was knowledge in ancient Egypt about how to resurrect mummies back to life. There fore the bodies had to be conserved, and not left to decomposition. From what I remember you can imagine it kind of like a walk-in. Some entity wanted a body, but not incarnate in the usual way, and therefore used a mummy. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-14-2011 (09-13-2011, 03:43 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Ra made contact with humans. Their teachings were distorted so as to be used to infringe upon the free will of humans, rather than to accentuate it and liberate them. We don't know in details about how it has been back then (except for what Ra have told us: words got twisted. Humans got confused. Ra departed. Ikhnaton. He got killed. People went back to their beliefs. Something keeps Ra in this vibration since then. There were some distortions assigned to the Law of One, which they are trying to remove. Maybe something with the mummies, maybe more, maybe not.)... Tenet Nosce Wrote:I am sensing this has something to do with the concept of "harvest" as it was originally presented, and its being twisted into the historical eschatology of "Armageddon" as forwarded by those in contact with Yahweh, and passed down to us through the lineage of the Judaeo-Christian-Muslim (Abrahamic) belief system. ... but we do know something about now. We have the Ra material - recorded, transcribed, published as books, re-listened, and put on different websites. Question by question. Answer by answer. It is there for everyone to read. It cannot longer be distorted in the same way, in the form it is available right now. Everything that is not there, or which is unclear, are just guesses/interpretations. I am trying to separate other distortions here from what has actually been said during the Ra sessions. Tenet Nosce Wrote:This distortion is still -in this very moment- resulting in all manner of confusion as to the nature of this event. In particular is the notion that, since "Armageddon" is upon us, we must look to be "saved" by external figures such as Jesus/Maitreya/ETs etc. Again, issues regarding Armageddon are coming from other sources than the latest Ra contact made in 1981, which is recorded and published word by word. (We had a group of 3D beings, calling for help. Confederation answered in a way it had been answering for billions of years, by landing and teaching by direct contact. These 3D beings made another choice, something that Confederation no longer could offer in terms of service to others, since that would be an abridgement of free will. Since there was a call, there were other guys who gladly answered that call.) There are no bad guys and good guys here. Just different vibrations/calls and answers, according to these vibrations/calls. Meaning that the activity that is in progress here is teach/learnings. No mistakes. And no one is to blame. Just usual 3D confusion... ![]() Quote:As a corollary- I have suggested the possibility that a premature focus on "earth changes" in the latest contact by Ra has contributed to a continuation of this distorting influence. Would you please direct me to those sessions where "the premature focus on earth changes" are stated? Quote:Free will has been abrogated because people are being offered a false choice. It is being framed in an EITHER/OR context... as has played out in this forum as the sudden/gradual conceptions of harvest. I humbly suggest that it is not EITHER/OR but somehow BOTH/AND. Moreover, I am hypothesizing that the ability to shift from EITHER/OR to BOTH/AND style of thinking.... IS EXACTLY THE SHIFT ITSELF. There are lot of interpretations and attempts to decipher Ra's "unclarity" in certain topics so to speak. But we know that positive entities can not be clear regarding certain topics. Those who would like to answer these queries is our loyal opposition. I am not speaking about you, but discussing this in general (since you brought it up ;-)) Quote:I am insinuating that the conscious, and repeated, manipulation of Ra's message by Orion influences has resulted in an abrogation of free will by disallowing the populace to perceive that -other choices- are available to them. It has to be balance. There is nothing more to do for the Confederation/Ra than to find an appropriate group, contact it and hope for the best. What people choose to do with that, is their choice, according to the laws of free will. Quote:Does this suffice, or do you have further inquiries as to my meaning with these statements to which you referred? I will just ask if there is anything that we can do to improve the contact or anything else that Tenet Nosce could state at this time that would aid us? ![]() With lots of love and light, my brother! RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Oceania - 09-14-2011 how horrible to be a mummy, then again they don't have to use the bathroom. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - AnthroHeart - 09-14-2011 Will we have to use the bathroom in 4D? RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Namaste - 09-14-2011 Quote:43.17 Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density? Considering 4D bodies are no longer chemical - I'm going to make a guess: no :¬) RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - βαθμιαίος - 09-14-2011 (09-14-2011, 11:45 AM)Namaste Wrote: Considering 4D bodies are no longer chemical - I'm going to make a guess: no :¬) I'm not sure they're not chemical. They may just be different chemicals: Quote:43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct? RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Namaste - 09-14-2011 Ah, thank you. It does leave the question open. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Oceania - 09-14-2011 i'd love to not have to! ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-14-2011 Imagine the next followed Q/A's: Quote:43.17 Questioner: Then I am assuming that we would still need to poop in fourth density? *laugh*laugh*laugh* ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-14-2011 (09-14-2011, 11:38 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Will we have to use the bathroom in 4D? 39.4 Wrote:Questioner: I noticed that most of the basic things seemed to be divided into units which total seven. In looking at a transcript by Henry Puharich of “The Nine” I found a statement by The Nine where they say, “If we get seven times the electrical equivalent of the human body then it would result in sevenon of the mass of electricity.” Could you explain this? I just thought you would enjoy this quote... not sure what exactly it has to do with making poopie. ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Oceania - 09-14-2011 hahahaha if only why do we have posting delays? RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-14-2011 [QUOTE NOTE POST] As I keep coming across interesting posts including information of which I may need to remind myself in the future, I will just copy and place some into this post, along with some notes. 43.14 Wrote:Questioner: Then the big difference in harvestability between third and fourth density is that at the end of the third density the individual is harvested as a function of individual violet ray, but it is the violet-ray for the entire social memory complex that must be of a harvestable nature to graduate to the fifth density. Is this correct? It seems that graduation of 6D would involve the integration of those who graduated from 5D as a mind/body/spirit complex with those who graduated as a social memory complex. In this respect, the MBSC represents the Significator while the SMC represents the Potentiator. Also interesting of note is those MBSC who graduated 5D on the negative path, then suddenly switched in 6D. It would seem that there are two "flavors" of integration possible here. Actually, four flavors if an SMC can graduate on the negative path from 5D. So we have MBSC+/SMC+ , MBSC-/SMC+ , MBSC+/SMC- , MBSC-/SMC-. The +/- refers to the polarization upon graduation from 5D. [I see that "S.M.C" is automatically parsed as "Social Memory Complex". Perhaps the same function could be added for "MBSC" and "Mind/Body/Spirit Complex"] Also, this appears to have been entirely unanticipated by the Logos! 47.2 Wrote:Questioner: The question that I was trying to ask at the end of the last session was: Of what value to evolution or experience with respect to the Creator knowing Itself are the positive and negative social memory complexes that form starting in fourth density, and why was this planned by the Logos? 63.19 Wrote:Questioner: It would seem to me that some of the harvestable third-density entities are, however, relatively old since I know of some individuals who can bend metal who are over 50 years old and some others over 30. Would there be other entities who could bend metal for other reasons than having dual activated bodies? This includes wanderers. 63.9 Wrote:Questioner: At present we have, in third-density incarnation on this plane, those third-density entities of the planet Earth who have been here for some number of incarnations who will graduate in the three-way split, either positive polarity remaining for fourth-density experience on this planet, the negative polarity harvestable going to another planet, and the rest unharvestable third-density going to another third-density planet. In addition to these entities I am assuming that we have here some entities already harvestable from other third-density planets who have come here and have incarnated in third-density form to make the transition with this planet into fourth-density, plus Wanderers. Eh? Why would the note a small point with such obscure terminology. What is the difference between this "planetary influence" and this "plane"? 65.17 Wrote:Questioner: Then we deal with an entity that has not yet formed a social memory but is yet an entity just as one of us can be called a single entity. Can we continue this observation of the conglomerate entity through the galactic entity, or shall I say, planetary system type of entity? Let me try to phrase it this way. Could I look at a single sun in its planetary system as an entity and then look at a major galaxy with its billions of stars as an entity? Can I continue this extrapolation in this way? AHA! This is how the Ra/Akhenaten contact fell somewhat short. The distortion centers around this idea of the Father/Son relationship as expressed in the Abrahamic lineage. 90.24 Wrote:Questioner: Were there any other circumstances, biases, consequences, or plans set up by the Logos other than those we have discussed for the evolution of Its parts through the densities? Interesting. I hadn't realized this was an innovation. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-14-2011 TN'S PLAYGROUND
(I've had enough of TN's ramblings and mumbo-jumbo. Please take me to "THE POINT" already!) UPDATE! We now have embedded multimedia, and a fascinating clip to boot. Grab some popcorn and scroll on in as things get curiouser and curiouser... (09-14-2011, 03:01 AM)Ankh Wrote: I am trying to separate other distortions here from what has actually been said during the Ra sessions. Precisely. I am grateful that we share this same intention. Ankh Wrote:Again, issues regarding Armageddon are coming from other sources than the latest Ra contact made in 1981, which is recorded and published word by word. Ra mentions "Armageddon" precisely once: 24.3 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made? However, this is not the first time that "Armageddon" appears in the transcripts. It first appears in 13 June 76, in a transcript where Don speaks with Hatonn about, not only Armageddon, but harvest, and mass landing: Quote:Don: How soon will the mass landing occur?We also see that "Armageddon" is mentioned in the introduction to Book V, specifically in Fragment 13: Quote:Fragment 13 Ra specifically refuses to address this question. And Q'uo even brings it up here: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0211.aspx Q'uo Wrote:You could say indeed that 2007 was the year of shift and you could be right. You could have also been right in 1962 when this instrument first became aware of a channeled group that predicted Armageddon and the need to get to safe places, and every year since then.Carla even refers to "Armageddon" twice in 2008. Once during a channeling intensive when talking about negative contacts, and once during her speech at the Laughlin UFO Conference. She made some similar remarks at the 2002 conference: Again, if you read these full transcripts they all cover the same topics, challenging the entity in the name of Christ, negative greeting, etc: http://www.llresearch.org/homecomings/channeling_circles/cycle_1_channeling_intensive_1/2008_0210_02.aspx Quote:Carla: I’ve never channeled a negative entity. I’ve always been careful enough to avoid that. But as I understand it, the experience of channeling positive and negative entities is the same. They used to say that they come in on the same energy, when I’ve questioned before about how people get fooled. I’ve seen several really good sources through the years become tainted, and then become basically, as far as I’m concerned, discredited. They start out extremely positive and then because of people asking fear-based questions, they get more and more fear-based answers, and specific answers having to do with doom and gloom and Armageddon. http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speech_2008_0228.aspx Quote:Carla: Third-density Earth does not have to have a man-made Armageddon or a natural cataclysm of planetary proportions, according to the Confederation. There will be a third-density wind-down, according to Ra, which will last some hundreds of years. We on third-density Earth will go right on doing our thing after 2012. However, new babies being born on Earth after 2012 will have the ability to run fourth-density energy as well as third-density energy. In fact, this is happening now, with the advent of the so-called Indigo Children. So, as you can see, these ideas were very firmly rooted in Don's mind, and indeed formed part of the reason why L/L made the decision to redact the Book V material. So much so that Q'uo even referred to it as little as four years ago.I have a feeling these are called "fragments" for a reason- that reason being because they are meant to be put back together. And it is still on Carla's mind as little as three years ago. So that tells me perhaps something isn't yet resolved about it. So let us review some connections here: Carla insists on challenging the contact in the name of Jesus Christ. Don insists on investigating into "earth changes" and disaster scenarios. Put them together and who do we get?? Hatonn! Who likes to teach/learn about Jesus, and who also was possibly predicting Armageddon to various groups in the 50s and 60s. 1962 was the time that Jim and Don were brought together. Hatonn first attempted a mass landing in 1965. Then again in August 1977. They are still offering to mass land in order to give technologies to "heal the earth" this very day. Was Hatonn the group that predicted Armageddon in 1962? I am not sure. But if not Hatonn, then who?? THE PREQUEL
I was introduced to the Ra material through finding the works of seeker/entity David Wilcock through his site ascension2000.com. This occurred in 1994/1995, simultaneous with the rather unanticipated emergence of the Internet. Having previously embarked on a comparative study of religion, esoteric and occult philosophy, along with a concomitant pursuit of mathematics, physics and biology at a prestigious university, I was intensely intrigued by the scope and depths of these works connecting science, philosophy, and spirituality. This site has since been closed down, though the works are available here: http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online As you can see, there are a trilogy of works: The Shift of the Ages The Science of Oneness The Divine Cosmos As you can next see, seeker/entity David Wilcock claimed the Law of One to be the philosophical lynchpin which drove him to deeply seek into the scientific basis of connectedness, or unity. At some point, David made contact with L/L Research, which provided the stimulus for his to write the following: Quote:The Law of One Study Guide David shares his own wanderer awakening story here: Quote:Wanderer Awakening: (online book) THE INCIDENT - PART I
APRIL FOOLS Quote:On 01 April 03, a longtime friend and roommate succumbed to- what I perceive to be- a negative attack which resulted in a paranoid schizophrenic breakdown. The focus of this breakdown involved a delusion that I and a small group of friends were conspiring to have him committed to a mental institution. Also note that, over the years I had shared many ideas from the Ra material with my friend, including the concept of negative entity attacks. My friend- as far as I am aware- never took it upon himself to read the material.To my friend who was involved in "THE INCIDENT": I am sorry for contributing to your suffering; Please forgive me for I knew not what I did; I love you as an immensely valuable part of creation. Thank you for offering me this opportunity for forgiveness. Being a student of the Law of One, I pondered deeply upon my knowledge of negative entities and wondered if such a 5D attack had just occurred. I pondered the below excerpt: Quote:Epilogue to Book V: (Jim McCarty) After we moved back to Louisville the mental/emotional dysfunction which Ra spoke of concerning Don occurred. Don was noted all his life for being very cool and extremely wise, emotionally unmoved by events which caused others to fall apart. His observations and advice always proved to be correct. Now, as this dysfunction worsened, Don saw himself intensely affected by even the smallest stimuli. His worrying deepened to depression and he sought healing counsel from every available source, yet nothing worked, and he resigned himself to a death which he saw quickly approaching. THE INCIDENT - PART II "ALIEN LOVE BITE" Following these two deeply disturbing experiences, I pondered deeply upon the possibility that they were somehow connected. In my seeking, I also chose to contact David Wilcock for a personal reading. At the time he was publicly offering to channel Ra for a modest fee. I had two personal readings with Ra through seeker/entity David Wilcock. The first on 16 Oct 03 and the second on 06 Aug 04. In between these two readings, David Wilcock published a book in which he claimed to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce: Amazon.com Wrote:The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?: Interdimensional Communication and Global Transformation by Wynn Free and David Wilcock (Paperback - Mar 11, 2004) Not too long after the second reading, I had another deeply troubling experience: THE INCIDENT - PART III THE PRE-SENT MOMENT or "ALIEN LOVE BITE" REVISITED Prologue: Still here? :-) This next part is more than a little bizarre. Not too long ago, I made a google search for "don elkins suicide" and turned up this page where the claim is made that seeker/entity actually did NOT live previously as Edgar Cayce, but as Rasputin: (NOTE: I am not aware at this nexus if the time span of these two lives overlapped) Quote:Rasputin At the end of the page, a quote is provided from a Wikipedia entry on Ra. Under this heading: Quote:Ra - Ra - Rasputin - The Demonic Channeled Messages of Ra(Channeled Non-Sense) However, this particular Wikipedia entry has since been deleted: May I draw special attention to the interaction between NuclearWarfare and Logos5557 below. WikiTalk Wrote:If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below. Also note, a short time later user Logos5557 was removed from Wikipedia: Quote:A page with this title has previously been deleted. Now let us go back to the past life reader's page in question. Here is the quote he offered, ostensibly from Wikipedia: Wikipedia (as posted on the website) Wrote:Ra is the name of an extraterrestrial group of supernatural entities purportedly contacted by Don Elkins, Carla L. Rueckert and James Allen McCarty, who formed the non-profit organisation L/L Research . In three years, beginning from 15 January 1981 till 15 March 1984 106 contact sessions were recorded. These sessions became the material of The Law of One books published through various different publishers. Coming upon the material above quoted was quite shocking, and I took immediate measures to deeply investigate this individual's claims with respect to David Wilcock, L/L Research, and the Akashic Records. Firstly, I viewed two documentaries on Netflix on the entity Rasputin. I observed that the entity Rasputin activated many similar archetypes as the entity David Wilcock. I would recommend the seeker to watch these documentaries with a special eye on how a "6D negative" entity might operate in this reality. Secondly, I more deeply investigated with renewed vigor evidence that I had uncovered regarding a past life that I may have lived. This uncovered even more evidence to the point where it was beyond denial, in my opinion at the time. Curiously- this individual lived during the same time period as Rasputin- and in close enough circles that it is possible they had been somewhat acquainted. Armed with this light and seeking with love for the truth of the matter, I contacted this individual by email and requested that he perform an introductory reading on myself- with specific focus on the late 19th century. He asked for some pictures of myself and my family. I offered some of my own pictures, but declined to offer any of my family members. He said this might reduce the accuracy with which he would be able to read the Akashic records. I agreed to moving forward with the introductory reading with understanding as to the caveat. This individual provided a single photo of an entity within the English nobility of the time, with no additional information. Performing a reverse image search yielded the entity in question. Though this entity appears to have shared some similarities with myself, and was indeed connected to the entity I perceived to be my own past life, it was an incorrect identification. Based upon my careful assessment, I was unable to draw any sound conclusions about the abilities or sincerity of this individual. Thusly, while intensely curious, this analysis at present is relegated to the sinkhole of indifference. I did come across this video on YouTube. I did not previously know that this individual had previously posted a public video about Barack Obama being the reincarnation of Akhenaten?! What? This is getting too bizarre. Seekers: please go back and review my comments about Akhenaten, and specifically review the confusion that ensued around this point previously in the thread. Now please watch this video. [tape gets flipped]
I also noticed specifically this from the deleted Wikipedia entry: Quote:Don Elkins asked the questions and James McCarty meditated and flipped the recording tapes over as they finish each side.Looking back, it appears that this sentence is what originally clued me in to noticing the [tape gets flipped] entry in session one on www.lawofone.info. This has since been corrected to [background noise]. After reading this web page claiming Ra to be a demonic entity is when I went back to re-read the transcripts from the beginning. As I previously documented, my mind paused when I reached that part. Firstly, because it actually wasn't in the original PDF, but appeared on www.lawofone.info by an innocent error. Secondly, I thought it strange that the tape needed to be flipped so early in the session. Thirdly, this is when I went and read the surrounding material very deeply and noticed the phenomenon documented toward the bottom of this post with respect to "earth changes" and "harvest". Thread: More Positive but Less Harvestable Post: RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable Here it is right here in Session One. I went back to look and it was staring me right in the face. Quote ![]() Tenet Nosce Strictly Law of One 192 5,049 07-11-2011, 11:36 PM Six days later is when I contacted the individual for the introductory past life reading. So the question on my mind has been- why did Don have "earth changes" on his mind? Turns out, these were on his mind quite often. Hatonn even teases about this previously when Don is not around. Notice this is almost six months before the Ra contact. http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1980/1980_1130.aspx Hatonn Wrote:Very well then, we do not like to deal with this type of information because it is so boring, but we have been asked to deal with the earthquake situation. The one known as Don wishes to know about earthquakes. Now as we know, David Wilcock had previous contact with L/L Research. He actually slept in the "Ra bed" and perceived that he and his girlfriend at the time had been later attacked by a 5D entity. This story was later related in 2006, as I also found in a google search for "don elkins suicide". PLEASE NOTE: I was not an active member of the ascension2000.com website during the time referred to in this post. It appears that he made a public announcement about a perceived attack from a 5D entity, which drew some extreme negative attention, including (ostensibly) a death threat: Quote:11-18-2006 12:52 AM #1 David Wilcock Guest Ankh Wrote:Would you please direct me to those sessions where "the premature focus on earth changes" are stated? Thank you for this query. Yes. The session under scrutiny would be Session One of the Law of One (15 Jan 1981). Specifically: 1.6 Wrote:Questioner: (The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.) 1.7 Wrote:Questioner: No. 1.8 Wrote:Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality? The Harvest
So what is harvest, anyway? And how does it relate to life in fourth density? Somewhat ironically, the best answer I have found so far was not in the Ra material. Here is some relevant information on harvest from Latwi following Session 83: [quote]S1: As always, I have a question. What would our life probably be like in the fourth density? I am Latwii, and, as always, I have an answer. My friend, we assume that your question deals with the everyday details of your fourth-density existence, and not with the physical structures or bodies involved therein, and, my friend, we would very candidly answer you by saying, my friend, your life will be what you make of it. There is no defined society, no cities, no interstates awaiting your arrival. However, as you may have surmised, there will be a great quantity of love and light within the larder so that you will not feel completely abandoned. May we answer you further, my friend? S1: Yes, from what I’ve learned in the past, we will probably leave the Earth to go to another destination. Is this correct? I am Latwii, and I would answer your question by replying that this is correct for certain entities who have not fully polarized, and for others who will fully polarize by the time of harvest but will polarize in such a fashion that their service-to-self orientation will require their removal from this planet. The remaining entities will initiate their fourth-density experience upon this planet, although it will be substantially altered by that time. May we answer you further? S1: Well, I’m curious. I will probably still have my physical body at that time. What will happen to the physical carrier, and will I have a physical carrier during and after the change? I am Latwii. My brother, we are going to answer your question with reticence, for it is not our intention to violate your free will by revealing to you details about your personal future. We will therefore speak in general, and caution those present against making broad assumptions about their personal future based upon generalized statements. There is what may be referred to as a fourth-density body which will be for those in fourth density a carriage or physical vehicle, but for those in third density this same carriage or vehicle would be invisible and completely indistinguishable. Those entities who are alive and functioning, you might say, in fourth density will be doing so solely in this type of body. There will be a transition period in which certain entities who currently are in existence in a third-density vehicle will be in the process of a transformation, for they are also at this time simultaneously in possession of a fourth-density vehicle of which they are unaware, and a process will be experienced by which the butterfly will shed its cocoon and leave it behind. It remains to be seen by yourself, however, as to your own personal future. May we answer you further? S1: You may not be able to tell me this because of it being a violation of my free will. Am I on the right path to being able to graduate to the fourth density? I am Latwii. My friend, there is no wrong path for attainment to fourth density or any other density for all paths lead in one direction. The object of your concern, however, might be the sufficient polarization of a chosen polarity and the maintaining of that condition so as to be sufficiently polarized to attain harvest on the particular occasion as opposed to several harvests down the road. May we answer you further? S1: Will I be harvested at the next harvest or do you think it will be further on? (Side one of tape ends.) (Jim channeling) I am Latwii, and apologize for the delay and lack of coordination of the instrument. Our intention was not to keep you in suspense, my brother, until the next episode. As you surmised, my friend, that is a question we may not respond to in any fashion that would imply to you or identify any level of accomplishment that you have attained or failed to attain, for to do so could drastically affect your polarization and efforts thereto. May we answer you further? S1: I may have asked you this in the past. Besides meditating more often, is there anything else I can do toward polarizing more positively than I already am so that I can attempt to make harvest? I am Latwii. My brother, if we may paraphrase one who has previously spoken on your planet, we would suggest that you love all that is of the Creator and love your brothers as yourself. Beyond this there is very little else that can be accomplished that will affect your polarity in the direction in which you currently strive. May we answer you further? S1: Well, if I could just make a comment. I hope that I will be able to reach polarization. I may not understand things too well, but I feel that having these lifetimes in the physical carrier is a waste of time in a way because when you’re born you forget all you’ve accomplished in a previous life on a conscious level. Like right now I wish I could finish my third density so that I would not have to go through another lifetime and possible mess everything up. Do you understand my frustration here? I am Latwii, and we are aware of your question. My brother, we are aware of your feelings and we counsel you in this fashion. There are no mistakes within the will of the Creator. If it is your quest to attain the level of polarity necessary to successfully be harvested as a fourth-density positively-polarized entity, as our brother Hatonn pointed out, your sustained seeking will attain fruition. The efforts and accomplishments of those who are unable to sustain a seeking will result in a confused response to a confused seeking. We would not suggest for those present that either is the case, for only in each entity’s heart is [there] an awareness of their performance and their level of desire, for we would suggest that there are no mistakes within creation, and each will attain at the harvest that end toward which his striving has led him. May we answer you further? S1: It takes a moment for all of this to sink in. I’m trying to realize all of what you’ve said. Maybe it’s that I’m very happy with my present situation. I’ve been going through a lot of questioning in my environment right now trying to decide what my future will be in my interactions in my daily life. That was just an observation I made. I feel that my major striving should be to help myself and others in their spiritual pat RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Meerie - 09-14-2011 ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-14-2011 *bursting out in laughs* Best Wanderer thread EVER, Tenet!!! ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-14-2011 ROFL! Thanks for the laugh! ![]() But in one/all sincerity, all/one are free to enter under the advisement that all/one are subject to change. RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Meerie - 09-14-2011 you should add "enter at your own risk! minors are allowed in only accompanied by their parents, and all should wear a helmet, for security reasons". you never know what could "hit you" at such a construction site ![]() Tenet, seriously I admire your stamina and your perseverance. You are VERY detail-oriented. But as they say, the devil's in the detail. Sometimes the bigger picture can get lost, by focusing too much on details. Just saying. ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Tenet Nosce - 09-14-2011 ... AND NOW FOR YOUR 2:22 SPORTS NEWS UPDATE (P.S. I hate sports) The Detroit Tigers are currently attempting to extend an 11 game winning streak, the longest since 1934. http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2011/09/detroit_tigers_links_winning_streak.html Quote:• These long winning streaks that date back to the halcyon Tigers days of 1968 and 1941 are so much fun for the local fans that it's easy to overlook who this may negatively impact.From Wikipedia: Quote:Best Seasons in Detroit Tigers History Rank Year Wins Losses Win % Finish As Tigers fans may recall, the last time those crazy cats won a World Series was in 1984: Quote:The 1984 World Series began on October 9 and ended on October 14, 1984. The American League champion Detroit Tigers played against the National League champion San Diego Padres, with the Tigers winning the series four games to one. ![]() Quote:Hatonn: Poor indeed is the man who has never asked a question, for riches do not lie in the answers but in the questions themselves. Therefore, we ask you this evening to examine what questions you have concerned yourselves about during this diurnal period. We do not care what conclusions you may have drawn, but wish to focus only upon that which has been in the forefront of the mind this day. Secrets of the UFO - Excerpt: Quote:The reports have continued to come in through the intervening years, and speak on many technical subjects, such as physics and biology. The “Ummo” words which are used in these reports, when collected together and considered, form a self-consistent language structure. They say that they are from a planet which revolves around a star which they have tentatively identified as being our “Wolf 424,” and that they were first attracted to our solar system by a radio signal which was sent from Earth in 1934. They gave the frequency of the signal (413.44 megacycles). Between the ages of 14 and 16 the vocal chords of the children become sclerosed and for this reason most of the adult inhabitants of Ummo are unable to talk and must use telepathy. Quote:06-06-2011, 07:55 AM Jump to: Bring4th > Bring4th Forums > Life on Planet Earth > David Wilcock Sirius Wrote:04-20-2009, 07:54 PMPages (13): « Previous 1 ... 9 10 11 12 13 Next » ExperiencedGhost Wrote:Hey, nice responses ! But I do write english in here (some faults... but who cares) so why should I write in dutch to D.W. and to the projectcamelot ? He could have said "hey thanks !" Quote:Freaky stuff happening at my house.... RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Ankh - 09-14-2011 Still under construction. Ok, I'll check in later, guys ![]() RE: My Awakening. Or Grand Delusion. You Choose. - Meerie - 09-14-2011 (09-14-2011, 02:22 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ... AND NOW FOR YOUR 2:22 SPORTS NEWS UPDATE |