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RE: Harvest as Salvation - hogey11 - 09-07-2011
Okay, the whole money argument is a whole other thing. Money is purely a word, yet it leads to nearly all of our 3D problems. It creates the elite and gives them their power. In our current world, money leads to profits. That is all. We let things go rotten and obscelete in the name of the almighty profit. We squander free energy technologies to protect infrastructure that is inefficient and harmful to the earth (check solar panel efficiency restrictions if you don't believe this... any energy device that performs better than 30% efficiency in creating energy is illegal worldwide according to patents by NASA). What if someone 'broke' this concept of money? Released trillions on the world economy and locked inflation at 0%? "But how could that happen?" It can happen easily if it can be proven that the world is being extorted by the banking elite. The proof of this is starting to trickle out. I won't turn this into a conspiracy website, but things are unraveling right now pretty quickly. The first mortgage-based lawsuit against the banking system is said to tally over 200 billion right off the bat; this does not include the private sector suits should they prove to be successful. The world is falling down.
THank you, Namaste; you hit the nail on the head in maybe better describing my intentions. I do not mean to minimize the inner growth and evolution; that is why I say we are all right. The inner self is integral, but we must also realize that 4D means we must start to project our intentions as a group, rather than a confused mess. IMO, 3D was the time for inner transformation; 4D will mark the start of the outer tranformation.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-07-2011
Meh..... Sounds like the same rhetoric of all civilizations.
I don't see us utilizing group intentions until it becomes accepted that all of this is mental configuartions. Ironically, this mental configuration doesn't allow us to agree as a group.
I expect the same forevermore.... Until death do us part
RE: Harvest as Salvation - hogey11 - 09-07-2011
But then what is the point of all of this? If this is all just inward manipulation, I see it as no more than spiritual and intellectual masturbation... Such is why I have participated less in these debates. I don't feel as if anything positive is being pulled out of these debates anymore; it's become stale because all that is left to discuss is ego.
I understand and respect everyone's decision and ability to "keep it real". I just figured that a place such as this might better understand that what is 'real' is purely perception. When we perceive hopelessness and the same ole' same ole', we give power to it.
Wait..... can someone explain to me why there is ANY reason we should not hope for a golden age/utopian future? What exactly are we distracting from by doing so? The only answer I can come up with is "3D catalyst".... which is becoming less effective with each passing day. I am officially sick of 3D, and believe it or not, I feel it lifting. Due to these feelings, I hope that what I am feeling is something larger than just what is within myself; I cannot prove it - but I can see it. I choose to see it. Make of that what you will, but for myself, it is the only thing worth doing in regards to the future.
How in any way can this be the "same old rhetoric of all civilizations"? We are living in a new reality. Technology grows exponentially, and with nanotech, we are years away from making nearly anything reality - 3D/4D or otherwise. The difference is that we have a true shot at it this time; if nobody can see this then I don't think you're looking hard enough. Never before has the world been shaken up with this much power lying in the hands of regular people through the proliferation of information. If ever there was a time where the elite could be done without, it is now. This is my opinion.
At the end of the day, those who wish to remain in 3D will do so. I figured this forum was a place where we would look to move forward, rather than stay where we are.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - unity100 - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 04:36 PM)hogey11 Wrote: But then what is the point of all of this? If this is all just inward manipulation, I see it as no more than spiritual and intellectual masturbation... Such is why I have participated less in these debates. I don't feel as if anything positive is being pulled out of these debates anymore; it's become stale because all that is left to discuss is ego.
I understand and respect everyone's decision and ability to "keep it real". I just figured that a place such as this might better understand that what is 'real' is purely perception. When we perceive hopelessness and the same ole' same ole', we give power to it.
there are those who are doing mental and spiritual masturbation. and there are those who have actually practiced what they preach, up to this point in their lives and adamant in doing so into the future. and there are those who only practice what they preach as long as it doesnt disturb their conformism, or biases.
all the discussions you speak of, stem from these. its not like people who are actually putting what they say into practice are stopping doing that because they are discussing things.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - hogey11 - 09-07-2011
Unless we move into the new 4D energies where thought more quickly becomes thing... in which case these people ARE doing exactly that, but without explicit knowledge of it, no?
RE: [split] Are you seeking the light...? - Namaste - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 03:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Whhaaa? I could have sworn the first time I saw this thread, abridgetoofar was listed as the author.
That confused me for moment also, thinking I'd replied in the wrong thread. Perhaps two have been merged.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-07-2011
Communication with others is an innate way to discover ourself. Not everyon likes talking about this stuff, and this forum is for those of us who do. (thank you).
Comically, masturbation is a way of discovering yourself too.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - Namaste - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 05:49 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Communication with others is an innate way to discover ourself. Not everyon likes talking about this stuff, and this forum is for those of us who do. (thank you).
I assume this was pointed at myself, brother?
Yes of course. Discussion is quintessential to learning/growth. The notion is that discussions may reach a point in which they are of a repetitive nature, and hence lose it's value and become a distraction. The simple fact is that no one can assuredly say what will happen at the time of harvest, and rather ironically, those involved may end up polarising negatively (non-acceptance, proving another wrong, getting angry, which we've witnessed here many times).
Hence a gentle reminder was offered, direct from Ra :¬)
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-07-2011
No, yoir point was well taken. Funny, hogey and I both thought it explained our points of view well. What does that say?
my comment about discussions was directed at hogey for wondering what the purpose of the forum is.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - hogey11 - 09-07-2011
haha I do not doubt the use or need for the forum, I suppose I just wonder what the point of any sort of enlightenment is if it does not affect the outside world? It's like finding a treasure trove of gold but then hiding every bit of it away; if the transformation cannot happen outwardly, what's the point of the transformation inwardly? A life in which my "inside life" only matters does not make sense to me. There is something missing here if we are not thinking as a whole as well as individuals. (unity) <-- haha i mean unity, not unity100
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 05:01 PM)unity100 Wrote:(09-07-2011, 04:36 PM)hogey11 Wrote: But then what is the point of all of this? If this is all just inward manipulation, I see it as no more than spiritual and intellectual masturbation... Such is why I have participated less in these debates. I don't feel as if anything positive is being pulled out of these debates anymore; it's become stale because all that is left to discuss is ego.
I understand and respect everyone's decision and ability to "keep it real". I just figured that a place such as this might better understand that what is 'real' is purely perception. When we perceive hopelessness and the same ole' same ole', we give power to it.
there are those who are doing mental and spiritual masturbation. and there are those who have actually practiced what they preach, up to this point in their lives and adamant in doing so into the future. and there are those who only practice what they preach as long as it doesnt disturb their conformism, or biases.
all the discussions you speak of, stem from these. its not like people who are actually putting what they say into practice are stopping doing that because they are discussing things.
This is funny because unity100 is the single member of the forum that I find to be disingenuous.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - hogey11 - 09-07-2011
also, I hope my view here is not taken as a negative spin on anyone here; I see this as a clarion call rather than an arbitration. I am doing my all to gather intention for the coming days; I feel we are nearing something. I don't know what.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 07:05 PM)hogey11 Wrote: haha I do not doubt the use or need for the forum, I suppose I just wonder what the point of any sort of enlightenment is if it does not affect the outside world? It's like finding a treasure trove of gold but then hiding every bit of it away; if the transformation cannot happen outwardly, what's the point of the transformation inwardly? A life in which my "inside life" only matters does not make sense to me. There is something missing here if we are not thinking as a whole as well as individuals. (unity)
Strictly opinion here: There is no grand "point" at all. There is simply a choice by an individual. Deep thinkers choose this type of entertainment for themselves. Period. Oh, it can be applied to society to "develop", but that is deep thinker narcissism, IMO. We don't "need" any of this stuff, it just so happens that we created it.
Hogey, you, IMO, have a highly focused attention on society at large. I believe you have something in you that can truly contribute to society. .... It is just my opinion that the third world farm boy that can't read and has no idea about abstract theories isn't any "less" enlightened than anybody else. Why, because we all just live and then die. It is not my goal to change the world... I can't even "change" my wife or kids. You know what I mean?
I support you in your daily efforts to effect the whole of society, but I don't see how believing in miracles actually helps.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - unity100 - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 07:05 PM)hogey11 Wrote: A life in which my "inside life" only matters does not make sense to me. There is something missing here if we are not thinking as a whole as well as individuals.
quite so. if only 'inside life' mattered, a creation in which there were multiple entities would not be a reality. it is a reality as of now. therefore, it is not 'only inside'.
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 07:16 PM)unity100 Wrote:(09-07-2011, 07:05 PM)hogey11 Wrote: A life in which my "inside life" only matters does not make sense to me. There is something missing here if we are not thinking as a whole as well as individuals.
quite so. if only 'inside life' mattered, a creation in which there were multiple entities would not be a reality. it is a reality as of now. therefore, it is not 'only inside'.
Okay, here we have a "point" to something. The "point" of "Ra" was to develop an "inside life" of love and wholeness. We all live inside our minds. There is no escaping that.
Hogey, you said "imagination is reality". Well, this is correct but it doesn't mean that what we imagine becomes "real". It means that our imagination exists. We live with this imagination.
Follow the logic. We are our minds first and foremost. Consciousness "started it all". ... But wait! I have this body too. Okay, first I am a mind and this is connected to this physical body and its chemical makeup. ... But wait! There is this intangible stuff like we know what each other are thinking but this isn't possible. Okay, try again, first mind, then body, now spirit. Got it. mind/body/spirit. ... but wait! it's soooo complicated. these three parts are obviously connected, but the possibilities are endless and they shift with every moment. Right, make that a mind/body/spirit complex. Whew, are we through? .... Oh! We act as a society whole of m/b/s's if we expand are view....
RE: [split] Are you seeking the light...? - Raman - 09-07-2011
(09-07-2011, 03:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(09-06-2011, 12:19 AM)Raman Wrote: well lo and behold!...
Whhaaa? I could have sworn the first time I saw this thread, abridgetoofar was listed as the author.
Right. I did not start this thread. It was abridgetoofar who did that. There is a 'split' of threads. The other thread seems to be "Are you seeking the light...?'
RE: Harvest as Salvation - Namaste - 09-08-2011
(09-07-2011, 06:49 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: No, yoir point was well taken. Funny, hogey and I both thought it explained our points of view well. What does that say?
my comment about discussions was directed at hogey for wondering what the purpose of the forum is.
My sincere apologies! I did rush through the rest of the thread (busy at the moment), a lesson there as it obviously causes confusion (on my part).
Thanks, teacher :¬)
RE: Harvest as Salvation - 3DMonkey - 09-08-2011
(09-08-2011, 06:15 AM)Namaste Wrote: Thanks, teacher :¬)
I'm uncomfortable with receiving such exaltation. What does that say about me!!
RE: Harvest as Salvation - Ankh - 09-08-2011
(09-08-2011, 07:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(09-08-2011, 06:15 AM)Namaste Wrote: Thanks, teacher :¬)
I'm uncomfortable with receiving such exaltation. What does that say about me!!
If you open up to this exaltation, you are accepting it, letting it to flow freely through you, letting the Creator's love/light shining through you; and in this case you can "pass it forward" to others, being in service
RE: Harvest as Salvation - Richard - 09-08-2011
(09-07-2011, 07:24 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:Practical spirituality, Monkey?(09-07-2011, 07:16 PM)unity100 Wrote:(09-07-2011, 07:05 PM)hogey11 Wrote: A life in which my "inside life" only matters does not make sense to me. There is something missing here if we are not thinking as a whole as well as individuals.
quite so. if only 'inside life' mattered, a creation in which there were multiple entities would not be a reality. it is a reality as of now. therefore, it is not 'only inside'.
Okay, here we have a "point" to something. The "point" of "Ra" was to develop an "inside life" of love and wholeness. We all live inside our minds. There is no escaping that.
Hogey, you said "imagination is reality". Well, this is correct but it doesn't mean that what we imagine becomes "real". It means that our imagination exists. We live with this imagination.
Follow the logic. We are our minds first and foremost. Consciousness "started it all". ... But wait! I have this body too. Okay, first I am a mind and this is connected to this physical body and its chemical makeup. ... But wait! There is this intangible stuff like we know what each other are thinking but this isn't possible. Okay, try again, first mind, then body, now spirit. Got it. mind/body/spirit. ... but wait! it's soooo complicated. these three parts are obviously connected, but the possibilities are endless and they shift with every moment. Right, make that a mind/body/spirit complex. Whew, are we through? .... Oh! We act as a society whole of m/b/s's if we expand are view....
"....The "point" of "Ra" was to develop an "inside life" of love and wholeness..."
Seems like we lose track of that simple statement in amongst the philosophical discussions... and arguments.
I don't know the future and I fully realize that about all I can accomplish rests within my sphere of influence. But if enough of us positively affect those around us...that is the seed of change.
Hogey, I think about a golden age all the time. Of how it could be. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Do I actually believe that I will see that world in the time I have left on this rock? No, but in the back of my mind hope still reigns.
In the meantime, though, there is life and what we make of it....as we travel the road to harvest..or not (after death)
Richard