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RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Lorna - 08-05-2011 hi monica, i'm not trying to pick an arguement, i do appreciate your passion i think there are two components to why i posted originally, you said: "Just ask your parents or grandparents if they ever heard of children, or babies, getting cancer or diabetes back in the 1940s, 50s and 60s. They were able to detect cancer then. They will tell you it was very rare, if at all. " that's a heck of a sweeping statement, i know there's been an increase in type 2 diabetes, and i know there has been an increase in some forms of cancer, however that's not what you said. the other reason is that i simply don't believe that every condition can be cured, and i think there comes a point when acceptance and appreciation for the catalyst brings an element of peace. i expect you disagree with me on this so we are probably coming from different places. you've experienced illness in family members caused by lifestyle factors, i've experienced illness in family members which, appears to me, almost entirely pre incarnative decisions for teach/learning, unrelated to lifestyle. probably simply a case of different experiences resulting in different perspectives. apologies for line spacing - i seem to be getting either no spacing or enormous spaces - not sure why RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Ankh - 08-05-2011 Very well said, Lorna. (08-05-2011, 03:59 AM)Lorna Wrote: apologies for line spacing - i seem to be getting either no spacing or enormous spaces - not sure why It is like that for me too when using something called "Rich Text Editor" which is automatic, but if I switch it to "Classic Editor" then it's normal spacing. :S RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Monica - 08-05-2011 (08-05-2011, 03:59 AM)Lorna Wrote: "Just ask your parents or grandparents if they ever heard of children, or babies, getting cancer or diabetes back in the 1940s, 50s and 60s. They were able to detect cancer then. They will tell you it was very rare, if at all. " I stand by my statement. I do believe that if any of us asked or grandparents how many children they knew who had cancer or diabetes back in the 1940s or 50s, they might think of 1 or 2 examples at most. Nowadays, we all know lots of children with those diseases. They had stuff like polio back then, but they didn't have huge children's hospitals just to treat children with cancer because it's so common, like we have today. Cancer, diabetes, obesity, and heart disease are much more prevalent now than they were in past generations. They are modern plagues, directly related to the modern lifestyle. I never said they didn't exist at all before; what I said was that there has been a huge increase. I also said they were very rare among children in the past, and now they are all becoming increasingly common among children. I understand you disagree. But can you explain to me why this statement, just because you disagree with it, is "jarring", "uncompassionate" and offensive? (08-05-2011, 03:59 AM)Lorna Wrote: the other reason is that i simply don't believe that every condition can be cured, and i think there comes a point when acceptance and appreciation for the catalyst brings an element of peace. i expect you disagree with me on this so we are probably coming from different places. you've experienced illness in family members caused by lifestyle factors, i've experienced illness in family members which, appears to me, almost entirely pre incarnative decisions for teach/learning, unrelated to lifestyle. probably simply a case of different experiences resulting in different perspectives. I never said that every condition can be cured. I said that degenerative diseases have physical components that are affected by lifestyle, and, on a physical level, degenerative diseases are easily healed utilizing these physical lifestyle changes. But that's not the only factor in the equation! I was referring to physical healing methods, since the conversation was about physical, conventional medical 'therapies.' I believe that the record speaks for itself: Alternative healing methods are far, far, far more effective than conventional drug-based methods, for degenerative diseases. I even included a disclaimer to balance my view, by acknowledging that conventional methods are far, far more effective in acute emergency situations. We were discussing physical healing methods. Obviously there is a spiritual component! This is true regardless of which physical method one pursues. Perhaps the misunderstanding is due to terms you might not be familiar with? Degenerative diseases are the ones I just mentioned: chronic conditions that have all been proven to be affected by lifestyle. It's well established by conventional medical community that heart disease, cancer, obesity, stroke, diabetes, etc. are all largely preventable, and even treatable, by lifestyle and dietary changes. That's a fact. Does this mean that every person who changes their diet and lifestyle will be healed? No, and I never said they would. There are many other factors: karmic, emotional, environmental, pre-incarnational programming, genetic predispositions, etc. I've known many people who've been healed. People who did the chemo etc. and were on their deathbeds and they fully recovered after going raw vegan, drinking the water, juicing, etc. There are many, many books telling their stories. These are real people. I've also known people for whom those methods didn't work. I knew a woman who did the raw vegan diet, drank several quarts of carrot juice and wheatgrass juice, cleansing etc. but succumbed to breast cancer. Well, her baby died while nursing from that breast! And her husband left her shortly afterwards. Who knows what kind of emotional, spiritual and karmic issues she still had unresolved? The wife of a famous raw vegan leader recently died of colon cancer. This sad news rocked the raw vegan community. Opponents seized upon this news almost with glee, claiming that this 'proves' the diet doesn't work for everyone. Well, what they missed was that this woman came from a severely abusive home and had some really intense emotional scars, and had healed to a great degree when she embraced the natural lifestyle. But no one can possibly know what her pre-incarnative agenda was, or what issues she still had unresolved. Who knows, maybe on some level she chose this mission to keep the raw vegan community from getting smug and thinking that they have instant answers for every problem! But that doesn't change the fact that this lifestyle has enhanced and even saved the lives of many, many thousands of people who would have died otherwise. I agree with you that those other factors, the spiritual component, is the root cause of all disease, because all disease is catalyst. Where we perhaps disagree is that I believe that, once the person has cleared the catalyst, they are then free to be physically healed, since that particular catalyst is no longer needed. There is no way any of us can know whether another person has cleared their catalyst or not! So we offer info, and allow the person to decide whether it's appropriate for them. What I see happening is that some people turn down obviously effective physical healing protocols, because they still require the catalyst. That's ok and there is no judgment towards them. I've seen people drink the water, and their tumors started shrinking, and then they quit drinking the water and the tumors came back and they died. Why? Because, whether consciously or unconsciously, that was their choice. It's not my place to judge that. It's sad to see it happen, but I am grateful for the understanding the Law of One has given me, so that I'm able to accept that, for whatever reason, they didn't choose to be physically healed. I don't believe that every person can be physically healed, because of those other factors. However, I do believe that, IF the person no longer has a need for that catalyst, there are many, yes, many various healing modalities that do work and will work, to facilitate healing of degenerative diseases like cancer, diabetes, etc. In fact, there are so many alternative protocols out there to choose from, it's obscene that the medical drug industry tries to suppress them. I also agree with Pickle that even genetic predispositions can be transformed, if the person's consciousness changes to that degree. And I agree with him that all degenerative diseases can be healed, provided the person's consciousness is in alignment with that healing. At this crucially important nexus, there are many people out there whose consciousness has raised to the point that they are ready for physical healing. Those are the people we're working with. The alternative healing modalities work, and they are being offered now, because many people are ready for them. It's a shift in paradigm. Alternative healing is to conventional drug-based medicine, as the Law of One is to organized religion, in my opinion. It represents an increase in awareness. (Again, I am referring only to their application to degenerative diseases, not acute conditions. If one has an accident, get thee to a hospital!) I hope this clarifies my views. It was not my intention to offend anyone, so I'm still wondering how just expressing a different opinion is offensive. If you could offer feedback on that, I would appreciate it! Note: Post has been edited. RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - BrownEye - 08-05-2011 (08-05-2011, 01:43 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: We were discussing physical healing methods. Obviously there is a spiritual component! This is true regardless of which physical method one pursues. I am a believer in the concept of the physical body you create having a direct effect on the spiritual body that forms from you. That is my opinion built upon my experience. Quote:The wife of a famous raw vegan leader recently died of colon cancer.This kind of thing does happen to some who came from a crap diet. On the other hand, any emotional suppression can also cause this. Dark energy creates a weight in your body, and dark energies feed many things, including sickness. I do find of great importance the awareness of which organs store which negative emotions and the great need to clear out these dark energies before they do become cancer or disease. Diet alone will not overcome self destructive thoughts/thought forms/dark energy. A good analogy for dark energy in the body would be Black Mold in your house. Black mold has the same aura of darkness or dark energy that a person can store in their body as a result of suppressed emotional imbalances. RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Monica - 08-05-2011 (08-05-2011, 02:04 PM)Pickle Wrote: I am a believer in the concept of the physical body you create having a direct effect on the spiritual body that forms from you. That is my opinion built upon my experience. I agree. I too have had this experience. I think it works both ways; consciousness affects the body, and the body affects consciousness. (08-05-2011, 02:04 PM)Pickle Wrote: This kind of thing does happen to some who came from a crap diet. Agreed! From what I understand from Chinese medicine, anger is stored in the liver, resentment/bitterness in the gall bladder, fear in the kidneys, grief in the lungs, unprocessed, stuck energies in the colon, sadness in the heart, etc. In addition, anger towards men tend to store in the breasts and female organs of women. We know from Ra that anger can manifest as cancer. Perhaps it is stored in the liver, but then manifests in whatever organ has a weakness. RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Monica - 08-09-2011 (08-04-2011, 04:04 PM)Lorna Wrote: these conditions have always been around, but so often will have been undiagnosed from http://alternativecancerresources.com/page35.html Quote:The National Cancer Institute reports a 28% rise in the incidence of childhood cancers from 1950 to 1988. RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Monica - 08-09-2011 Just to show that I didn't get those statistics out of a hat: Cancer is now the leading cause of death among children ages 1-14. Until recently, it was accidents. Now it's cancer, according to cancer.gov. Study Finds Mysterious Rise In Childhood Cancer Rate Childhood cancer rates on the rise Quote:"Notably, the fatal disease, long considered a problem in senior years, is striking more and more children. Major risk factors include pollution and unhealthy lifestyles," Zhang told China Daily at an awareness-raising event held on Thursday by sohu.com, one of the biggest online news portals in China. Rise in Childhood Cancers Parallels Toxic Chemical Proliferation Quote:The Safer Chemicals, Healthy Families coalition warned today in a teleconference that cancer in American children has increased since 1975, while exposure to toxic chemicals has also intensified. Chemicals in Food Raise Children’s Cancer Toll Quote:Samuel S. Epstein, M.S. and Ralph W. Moss Ra indicates that anger is a causative factor in cancer, but also indicates that changes in diet may effect healing, once the causative factor has been addressed; ie., catalyst utilized. Quote:40.9 Questioner: Has the vibration of the photon increased in frequency already? In light of Ra's explanation, and the obvious increase in cancer rates as we near the Harvest, it would appear that catalyst is accelerating. Some entities are apparently using cancer as a way to exit this reality once their life mission is complete, while others may have chosen cancer as a catalyst to become aware of the extreme poisoning of the planet; while they heal their bodies of the cancer, they contribute to awareness of the planet's toxic predicament, and some may even have chosen healing so that they can stay here and help clean up the mess the planet is in. There is a huge trend towards alternative healing which, expressed on a microcosmic level, means detoxifying and cleansing the body, while on a macrocosmic level, is expressed in detoxifying and cleansing the planet. It seems apparent to me that the increase in cancer obviously correlates with what's happening on the planet right now. In light of this, how can we best be of service to those who are struggling with this particular catalyst? RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - BrownEye - 08-10-2011 (08-03-2011, 07:39 AM)Ankh Wrote: As to "they" ;-) - I graduated from the nursing school about seven years ago, and throughout the whole education it was a general knowledge, a commonly established fact, that people do live longer nowdays, are healthier and have improved their quality of life with gigantic steps, only over the past, say, 30 years. My gramps on mothers side lived over 100, my mothers generation are not making it to 70, she has already lost half of her many brothers and sisters. On my dads side same thing, there is a drop of 20-30 years each generation to the last generation. I plan to reverse the trend for my family line. Quote:The other portion of healing has to do with forgiveness of self and a greatly heightened respect for the self. This may conveniently be expressed by taking care in dietary matters. This is quite frequently a part of the healing and forgiving process.This is great, I have recently realized how to program myself to forgive all past transgressors. (I forgot to forgive myself LoL) I came up with the concept helping a girl that had been gang raped. Say, did anyone notice "dietary matters"? Quote:46.14 Questioner: What is the plan for use of the catalyst of cancer? This sure does sound like the accepted method of insulin delivery (control). Separation from reality and awareness, control over the issue at hand rather than rectify. Can you say illusion? (08-09-2011, 06:13 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: There is a huge trend towards alternative healing which, expressed on a microcosmic level, means detoxifying and cleansing the body, while on a macrocosmic level, is expressed in detoxifying and cleansing the planet. This is awesome. RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Plenum - 01-31-2013 (08-04-2011, 08:23 PM)Pickle Wrote: Type 2 is almost 100% curable and sometimes so is type 1. Type 1 accounts for less than 10% of all cases of diabetes. what is the cure for diabetes Pickle? RE: Raw food and oral allergy syndrome - Monica - 01-31-2013 (01-31-2013, 07:09 AM)plenum Wrote: what is the cure for diabetes Pickle? I know you were asking Pickle, but... I routinely see people reducing or eliminating their diabetes meds. Doctors say diabetes can't be cured, but ask those people who no longer show any signs of diabetes! Here is one among several research studies I know of that supports the reason behind this: Anti-diabetic effects of electrolyzed reduced water in streptozotocin-induced and genetic diabetic mice I have other medical research documents...if anyone would like me to email them, just pm me. Lots of people have healed their diabetes by changing their diets and lifestyles, too. RE: Cancer and Other Degenerative Diseases as we near the Harvest - Jeremy - 01-31-2013 Curing type two is quite easy if one regulated their diet as type two is almost always caused by unhealthy eating. I see the unfortunate result of not managing ones insulin levels all the time at work. Known Diabetics not eating correctly plus not taking their meds properly resulting in peripheral neuropathy which then progresses into gangrenous toes, feet, etc from a sore that they couldn't feel. This results in some ever so wonderfully smelling wounds that generally result in amputation. RE: Cancer and Other Degenerative Diseases as we near the Harvest - Monica - 01-31-2013 (01-31-2013, 01:42 PM)Xradfl Wrote: Curing type two is quite easy if one regulated their diet as type two is almost always caused by unhealthy eating. Yes, that probably explains why some people are able to totally get off their meds when they drink the water, while others only reduce their meds. (01-31-2013, 01:42 PM)Xradfl Wrote: I see the unfortunate result of not managing ones insulin levels all the time at work. Known Diabetics not eating correctly plus not taking their meds properly Amazing, isn't it? Sort of like people with heart disease continuing to eat fried foods and meat. The mentality is "a pill will fix me so I can do whatever I want." The drug industry isn't totally to blame; they are a reflection of what people want: a quick fix. (01-31-2013, 01:42 PM)Xradfl Wrote: resulting in peripheral neuropathy which then progresses into gangrenous toes, feet, etc from a sore that they couldn't feel. This results in some ever so wonderfully smelling wounds that generally result in amputation. Electrolyzed Reduced Water is used in Japanese hospitals internally - with symptoms such as neuropathy decreasing or even being eliminated entirely (I see this in person quite frequently). And, another type of ionized water is simultaneously used externally, to disinfect the operating room, bedsores, dermatitis, and gangrene. The patients treated with this water are often able to avoid amputation, even though they were scheduled for it. In some cases, only a toe is amputated, rather than the whole foot. I have a video showing this done in Japanese hospitals that is quite amazing. The footage is from at least a decade ago, so it's just criminal that the US doesn't recognize it. So many thousands of people could have saved their limbs, had the US medical monopoly acknowledged this. Being that the US ranks #46 in the world for health and longevity, as compared to Japan who ranks #1, it's not surprising. Japan is much more cutting-edge. RE: Cancer and Other Degenerative Diseases as we near the Harvest - jws1970 - 01-31-2013 Cancer can be cured with diet. Dr. Max Gerson discovered and documented that both diet and detoxification cured cancer in terminally ill patients who had been sent home to die by the mainstream medical community. There are several documentaries on the topic. I recommend starting with "The Beautiful Truth". This is hard for some to believe, but as one who, prior to reawakening and discovering The Law of One, studied how insidious corporatism in its pursuit of wealth has become, it is quite easy to see how many areas of our lives have been hijacked by the service to self meme. It is a crime against humanity that it is illegal to treat cancer and other diseases with natural medicine. Do not be surprised at how many lies you have been told. Lying gives power over others, as does large amounts of money, so it should not be surprising that both are two of the primary tools of the left hand path. The processed food we eat is killing us. Large corporations profit from selling you things that make you sick, and other corporations profit from "managing" the illnesses. Pharmaceutical companies exist because you cannot patent the plants that the Creator freely gave us. All is the Creator, all is Love. Should it be surprising that one can cure their third density vehicle by ingesting the proper portions of the Divine body in the correct amounts? Are you surprised that the unadulterated second density entities harvested from our Mother Earth are far better for us than anything made in a factory by our own hands? As above, so below. Our way of life is out of balance, spiritually and physically, as if the two were separable. Love and light, brothers and sisters. There is more truth and a much larger life available to us in this density than we realize. Seek the Creator in all things, including that which you choose to put into your body. |