(08-07-2011, 06:41 AM)zack231 Wrote: The way I see it is that there comes a time on a planet where there is no longer any need for 2nd and 3rd density experience keep in mind Ra's race began a very long time ago with Ra estimating the end of Ra's 3rd density cycle to have been 2.6 billion years ago and thats just when it ended... Ra said that earths 2nd density lasted 4.6 billion years.. So you can only assume Ra's second density was roughly the same if not longer considering there transition was completely natural and derived from free will unlike the beginning of Earths 3rd density which was begun when Mars' civilisation was destroyed. So you get the picture that Ra's race is very very old and that planet Venus is very very old also and began to develop life much sooner than that of earth. It seems like Venus which scientists now agree probably had water on it over 2 billion years ago and may have looked just like earth, but has all but died out overtime due to a lose of the atmosphere..

Now remember that we can only see our spectrum and those below it so what we are seeing is died out 3rd density planet in our perceivable spectrum of the illusion, we have no Idea what it looks like 5th density for we cannot perceive it, so what we are seeing is 3rd density venus.. Remember Ra said that there are seven earths all existing but with 4th, 5th and 6th in potentiation. So the same would apply to venus each one still existing within each spectrum of light or density, venus is now a 5/6th density planet with first, second, third and 4th still existing within each individual spectrum of light or density.. Therefore we are seeing the 3rd density venus which has become uninhabitable for 2nd and 3rd density experience due to its loss of atmosphere which is obviously the building blocks for 2nd and 3rd density experience..

So the reason there is no 2nd or 3rd density enitities visible on venus is because it has become uninhabitable for 2nd to 3rd density life, but is inhabited by 5th density entities but again we cannot seem them or the 5/6 density version of venus as it is above our spectrum of light..

Any way thats just my personal opinion.. I hope it helped in some way

Here is a link to an article on how scientists now believe Venus once looked just like earth including continents, oceans and could have been inhabitable billions of years ago "Billions of years ago, Venus would have had conditions very similar to those on Earth and may even have been habitable, scientists now believe."[font=Arial]
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which lines up very we with when Ra said 3rd density ended on their planet:

http://www.universetoday.com/23651/venus-possibly-had-continents-oceans/


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-497417/Venus-Earths-twin-supported-life.html

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(08-07-2011, 06:05 AM)Crown Wrote: I dont know, i guess Don never got to ask that question... I'd assume that the planet sphere has reached a certain level of existance. It is experiencing 5th and up. If it was 3rd density activated tens of thousands of years ago, then naturally, it will continue changing. I just dont understand why second density has to be deactivated.

You are not thinking logically look at venus it is completely dried up 2nd and 3rd have not been deactivated its just that Venus is no longer possible of 2nd and 3rd density life because it is all dried up and the atmosphere has been destroyed.. This is due to the fact that because venus is that little bit closer to the sun it was always destined to burn up and lose its atmosphere as the sun began to increase in heat which scientists say it has been over time... So Venus could have still had 2nd and 3rd activated if it where not for its position and loss of atmosphere hence loss of water hence no life..

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Also keep in mind that scientists have not actually seen the real surface of Venus as it is covered in a very thick permanent cloud over the entire planet.. They use a special from of camera to map out and predict and then create images of the surface of venus therefore maybe there is some 2nd density life that somehow evolved to these conditions and we do not know, as we cannot see the actual surface.. but of course its almost impossible that their is 2nd density life running around on their as the planets atmosphere is destroyed.. Here is an artists impression of the surface of Venus which scientists is plagued with constant storms:

Quote:"Our new data make it possible to construct a scenario in which Venus started out like the Earth - possibly including a habitable environment, billions of years ago - and then evolved to the state we see now."

Yes I know I have an obsession with Venus I have studied it well

(08-07-2011, 04:17 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: With this thinking, you should expand your question. Why doesn't 2D-4D life exist on Mars, since life uses what is available? Just because the biosphere was destroyed to support life like ours, doesn't mean it can't support life in the manner you're talking about. Why not Jupiter? Why not Uranus? Why not Pluto? Why not on the Sun? Why not in the middle of outer space where there is no planet?

You can debate the fact all you want, but it is readily observable in my perception that life requires some sort of environment other than "what materials are available," despite what Ra says. I don't feel like it's too much of a stretch to say that requirement is for the 1D elements to be able to interact with each other.

(08-07-2011, 06:24 PM)Raman Wrote: Let me expand of this: the Venus (or any other 5d/6d planet) we see is what the sub-Logos provides for us 3d to see: only 1d. This is because 4d and above are outside the realms of the sub-Logos except providing the base red ray or 1d and with that the physical laws pertaining to maintaining a solar system in place.

(08-07-2011, 11:42 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: That's completely aside from the point. It shouldn't need to be "healed" in order to support life following Unity's theory of life being possible to matter the environment. The fact that it may support life again doesn't support that theory because it should be able to support life now. Same with every other planet in the solar system, following that theory.

Quote:The environment on Venus naturally progressed (I assume) to a point where it could not support 2D life

Quote:'outside the realsm of the sub-logos' -> what does that mean ?

(08-08-2011, 10:51 AM)unity100 Wrote: 3d entity also may continue to work in another 3d planet.

(08-08-2011, 05:51 PM)unity100 Wrote: 4d entity also has to reincarnate to do so. it just cant teleport to another environment.

3d appearing not to be able to exist without 2d is an assumption made based on this planet apparently - a planet of mainly animal based 3d entities. this doesnt need to be a necessity - entities just need the chemicals to to survive - and these are 1d entities. as an example, a planet which has 3d bodies based on plants like trees, would not need a 2d outside their own selves to survive.

same would go for 4d.

(08-08-2011, 08:09 PM)Raman Wrote: As to why the planets go through the same sequence of densities as entities, these however, regaining more independence as they spiral higher, is not clear to me.

Quote:6.6 Questioner: Would it have been possible to have taken one of the people of this planet at that time and placed him on Venus? Would he have survived? Were conditions on Venus hospitable?
Ra: The third-density conditions are not hospitable to the life-forms of your peoples. The fifth and sixth dimensions of that planetary sphere are quite conducive to growing/learning/teaching.

(08-08-2011, 08:09 PM)Raman Wrote: I think there are significant differences between 3d/4d and obviously 2d/4d.

Some 4d will be able to travel to other planets. It seems Orion 4ds are not plants and Confederation 4d's are not plant based neither. However, they could use transportation.

Some 4d life forms could be even more different and bonded to the planet, others able to travel. The main point is the increase independence from sublogos and the difference in body composition from chemical to electrical. Being this like a bridge to light 'bodies'.

Regarding teleporting is one is able to access timespace that is in the realm of possible.

Quote:is it because Ra is not there currently (in this case) ? Where is Ra?

Quote:teleportation doesnt start until 5d.

Quote:plants can also move - the sirians who came here were even late 3d, leave aside 4d.

Quote:however, this does not at all have parallels with what you were saying - even if 4d can travel to another planet, it cannot incarnate in that planet without dying.

Quote:is it because Ra is not there currently (in this case) ? Where is Ra?

Quote:in this planet's 5d time/space. (astral).

(08-09-2011, 09:19 AM)Raman Wrote: I'm having some doubts about that. Access to intelligent infinity allows that in so called astral planes but there is possibility of technology in 4d as well.

Quote:I am not talking about incarnation, I am talking about possibilities of joining another social memory complex etc.

Quote:This is interesting because it leaves still open the question as to why there are not 6d entities in Venus even though it can support this type of work? Is it because Ra vacated the planet for now? Is it because Ra is the only 6d complex that would occupy that plane? Or is this plane available for the current 5d in the planet when they go to 6d?

What would happen to the planet once Ra goes 7d?

(08-09-2011, 03:39 PM)Oceania Wrote: couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

(08-09-2011, 04:47 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-09-2011, 03:39 PM)Oceania Wrote: couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

apparently archetypal mind choices of logoi have an effect on compatibility.

(08-09-2011, 07:48 PM)Raman Wrote: It appears those archetypes mainly deal with 3d.

Quote:76.16 Questioner: Third density, then, compared to the rest of the densities, all of them, is nothing but a uniquely short period of what we consider to be time and is for the purpose of this choice.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct. The prelude to choice must encompass the laying of the foundation, the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable. The remainder of the densities is continuous refining of the choice. This also is greatly lengthened, as you would use the term. The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.

Quote:77.15 Questioner: The specific question that I had was that it seems to me that the choice was planned to create intense polarization past third density so that experience would be intense past third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that our interpretation of your sound vibration complexes is appropriate, this is incorrect. The intensity of fourth density is that of the refining of the rough-hewn sculpture. This is, indeed, in its own way, quite intense causing the mind/body/spirit complex to move ever inward and onward in its quest for fuller expression. However, in third density the statue is forged in the fire. This is a type of intensity which is not the property of fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh densities.

(08-09-2011, 07:48 PM)Raman Wrote:

(08-09-2011, 04:47 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-09-2011, 03:39 PM)Oceania Wrote: couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

apparently archetypal mind choices of logoi have an effect on compatibility.

It appears those archetypes mainly deal with 3d. When Ra wandered to another galaxy, must have been as 3d since others have memory. Unless there is something different but then it seems the densities are consistent in this octave independent of galaxies.

Quote:Possibly some even on 3d form.

(08-10-2011, 12:17 AM)Raman Wrote: Yeah, I always thought that. Although it was just a 'feeling'.

Quote:archetypal mind is not something specific to 3d. maybe you are confusing with the focus put on the differentiation of mind for 3d veil during archetypal talk.

Quote:Possibly some even on 3d form.

Quote:feeling ?

ra already said that a lot of the wanderers from 6d on this planet as of this moment are from their society complex ?

(08-10-2011, 09:46 AM)Raman Wrote: There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

(08-10-2011, 10:00 AM)unity100 Wrote: archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

(08-10-2011, 10:00 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-10-2011, 09:46 AM)Raman Wrote: There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

(08-10-2011, 10:23 AM)Raman Wrote:

(08-10-2011, 10:00 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-10-2011, 09:46 AM)Raman Wrote: There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

it seems to me you are comparing conscious unconscious in a 3d sense then transposing that to male and female in higher densities. I don't see a clear parallel or non-disctinction.


Archetypal mind of sub logos is different that galactic logos regarding archetypes offered to 3d and then above.. I don't not see any other archetypes provided by sublogos after 3d (except choice) unless we are talking about wisdom vs love, etc and other binary sets. But those do not appear to me to be provided by the sublogos.

(08-10-2011, 01:02 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-10-2011, 10:23 AM)Raman Wrote:

(08-10-2011, 10:00 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-10-2011, 09:46 AM)Raman Wrote: There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

it seems to me you are comparing conscious unconscious in a 3d sense then transposing that to male and female in higher densities. I don't see a clear parallel or non-disctinction.


Archetypal mind of sub logos is different that galactic logos regarding archetypes offered to 3d and then above.. I don't not see any other archetypes provided by sublogos after 3d (except choice) unless we are talking about wisdom vs love, etc and other binary sets. But those do not appear to me to be provided by the sublogos.

there is no difference in male/female or anything else in higher densities. 3d is not some density existing separately from other densities. the only difference in 3d is that, there is a veil in between conscious and subconscious, and that's that.

(08-10-2011, 01:29 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: There is more to 3D than that, isn't there?

The veil only separates conscious and unconscious, and these are of Mind. What about the separation of darkness and light- the matrix and potentiators of Spirit? Where does that light, potentiator of spirit, come from if not the 3D Mind? The body is the easiest to grasp in that "wisdom" is a "container" that molds motion.

Without the veil, we cease to be complex, and I have a hunch that if we are not complex, we stop thinking of our Self as a single unit of being, and that happens we dissolve into random nothingness. (I look forward to it!)

(08-10-2011, 09:46 AM)Raman Wrote: There is no subconscious on 4d and above.