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RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - zenmaster - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 09:51 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, the jury is out on what 2011/2012 is. Could it just be the final entity of harvest gets harvested?It's all open to interpretation, and I am surprised at your surprise at my questions, actually. The 'huh' statement was given as if you understood something that seemed quite clear. I do not see it so clearly.
I don't think the 'harvest is now', and has been for 30 years. I believe 30 years is the time where dual-activated bodies could be supported with some 4D energies instreaming. 'harvest is now' simply means this lifetime. Ra speaks of the harvest in future tense, for example:
"Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle."
"Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service."
"17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 10:13 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-16-2011, 09:51 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, the jury is out on what 2011/2012 is. Could it just be the final entity of harvest gets harvested?It's all open to interpretation, and I am surprised at your surprise at my questions, actually. The 'huh' statement was given as if you understood something that seemed quite clear. I do not see it so clearly.
I don't think the 'harvest is now', and has been for 30 years. I believe 30 years is the time where dual-activated bodies could be supported with some 4D energies instreaming. 'harvest is now' simply means this lifetime. Ra speaks of the harvest in future tense, for example:
"Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle."
"Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service."
"17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
I somehow feel a close affinity to Zen's thoughts on this.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
"huh" was an attempt to convey expression. It means "I don't follow". I do see something clearly but not "correctly", if you will.
Quote:14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.
14.15 Questioner: Going back to when we started this 75,000 year period, there was a harvest 25,000 years after the start which would make it 50,000 years ago. Can you tell me how many were harvested at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest was none.
14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago?
Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, was those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities who were now to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.
Category: Earth History: Second Cycle
14.17 Questioner: Then in the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who could have been harvested into the fourth density chose to remain here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Thus, there was no harvest, but there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into fourth dimension.
What my posts of the last three hours are attempting to convey is that a simple sentence entails a long process in actuality. I used the analogy of saying "a baby is born" entails days of time and tons of biological processes and a coming together of entities with relationship dynamics that all bring the baby into being. "A baby is born" sounds very specific and direct. "Harvest" isn't an entity being plucked from a vine, it to entails time and biology and a coming together of entities with relationship dynamics.
There is a process of harvest ("the harvest is now") and there is a retrospective look at a completed harvest ("the harvest was none").
Oddly, we continue to see the completed harvest of this final cycle as involving all entities (4D+, 4D-, and 3D repeats). Food for thought: If this final cycle involves a "harvest" of 3D repeats, why would Ra describe the previous cycle's harvest as not happening? Didn't we all get "harvested" back into 3D? hmmmm? Does this indicate that Ra's use of the word "harvest" means more than a time when entities are sorted and put in their respective places in space/time?
Also, Zen, I read the quotes you highlighted to describe the active process of harvest. Personally.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - zenmaster - 04-16-2011
My confusion is related to the fact that 4D space/time and 3D harvest of the master cycle are coincidental.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - AnthroHeart - 04-16-2011
I wonder if any space/time material has started to coalesce in 4D earth to create matter. Or if it's still exclusively time/space now. Any ideas?
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 11:14 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: "huh" was an attempt to convey expression. It means "I don't follow". I do see something clearly but not "correctly", if you will.
Quote:14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.
14.15 Questioner: Going back to when we started this 75,000 year period, there was a harvest 25,000 years after the start which would make it 50,000 years ago. Can you tell me how many were harvested at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest was none.
14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago?
Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, was those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities who were now to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.
Category: Earth History: Second Cycle
14.17 Questioner: Then in the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who could have been harvested into the fourth density chose to remain here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Thus, there was no harvest, but there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into fourth dimension.
What my posts of the last three hours are attempting to convey is that a simple sentence entails a long process in actuality. I used the analogy of saying "a baby is born" entails days of time and tons of biological processes and a coming together of entities with relationship dynamics that all bring the baby into being. "A baby is born" sounds very specific and direct. "Harvest" isn't an entity being plucked from a vine, it to entails time and biology and a coming together of entities with relationship dynamics.
There is a process of harvest ("the harvest is now") and there is a retrospective look at a completed harvest ("the harvest was none").
Oddly, we continue to see the completed harvest of this final cycle as involving all entities (4D+, 4D-, and 3D repeats). Food for thought: If this final cycle involves a "harvest" of 3D repeats, why would Ra describe the previous cycle's harvest as not happening? Didn't we all get "harvested" back into 3D? hmmmm? Does this indicate that Ra's use of the word "harvest" means more than a time when entities are sorted and put in their respective places in space/time?
Also, Zen, I read the quotes you highlighted to describe the active process of harvest. Personally.
Now I am confused after reading this. This is intense see-saw between well-argued viewpoints. Finding it difficult to find my own balance in terms of belief.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - zenmaster - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 11:34 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I wonder if any space/time material has started to coalesce in 4D earth to create matter. Or if it's still exclusively time/space now. Any ideas?First, what is 4D matter? Or even 2D or 3D matter?
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 11:29 AM)zenmaster Wrote: My confusion is related to the fact that 4D space/time and 3D harvest of the master cycle are coincidental.
It's all coincidental. This clarifies for me rather than confuses.
3D space/time is coincidental with harvest as well. Ra's existence is coincidental with ours. 3D space/time and 4D space/time are coincidental.
(04-16-2011, 11:34 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I wonder if any space/time material has started to coalesce in 4D earth to create matter. Or if it's still exclusively time/space now. Any ideas?
I'm confident 4D is in space/time right now. Technically.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
there's two harvests. 3D and 4D. Ra meant obviously that the 4D will be small. the rest are harvested to go to 3D planets.
the 4D harvest is going on and will be going on.
it's all semantic crap.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
Confused, another analogy.
We know that if electricity is applied to water H separates from O. We just "harvested" hydrogen. If we zoomed in to the level of these elements, we could tell them "and then you will be harvested." At their level, though, they would experience this as a time consuming process. At our level, we just look as say "see? hydrogen." The little elements are saying, "hey, you make it sound easy, but this is taking much longer than expected from what you told us."
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 01:08 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Confused, another analogy.
We know that if electricity is applied to water H separates from O. We just "harvested" hydrogen. If we zoomed in to the level of these elements, we could tell them "and then you will be harvested." At their level, though, they would experience this as a time consuming process. At our level, we just look as say "see? hydrogen." The little elements are saying, "hey, you make it sound easy, but this is taking much longer than expected from what you told us."
Thanks, 3DM. Much of this serious discussion is going over my head. So I will just sit by and watch better informed people fleshing out the subject.
But Ra never wanted us to understand the process of the Harvest (not until a bit late at least), did it? That subject was always left a bit vague in terms of the specifics. But it must be for our good.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
are you saying time goes slower for smaller things?
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 01:15 PM)Ocean Wrote: are you saying time goes slower for smaller things?
Perspectively, yes.
(04-16-2011, 01:15 PM)Confused Wrote: But Ra never wanted us to understand the process of the Harvest (not until a bit late at least), did it? That subject was always left a bit vague in terms of the specifics. But it must be for our good.
No, somebody asked them. (we kinda all did, really)
"encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self"- this is what they wanted to convey. All else will fall into place.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
intereeesting... i have to disagree though. i think it goes slower for the bigger ones.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 01:20 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:(04-16-2011, 01:15 PM)Ocean Wrote: are you saying time goes slower for smaller things?
Perspectively, yes.
Haven't you ever wondered about an ant or a butterfly, a dog or a horse?
There biological lives are so short compared to ours, but from their perspective, it is a full lifetime. Look how fast insects reproduce. From our perspective, it seems their lifetime is in fastforward.
(04-16-2011, 01:23 PM)Ocean Wrote: intereeesting... i have to disagree though. i think it goes slower for the bigger ones.
SEMANTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
convincing point. however isn't Ra supposed to be bigger than us?
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 01:29 PM)Ocean Wrote: convincing point. however isn't Ra supposed to be bigger than us?
Right! Time/space too. That's what I'm trying to say. Ra says "you'll be harvested", while we say "it's taking a lot longer than you made it out to be, Ra"
Cause Ra is the "human" looking at the life of a "water molecule"
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
yeah but for Ra, things are supposed to be slower in their density.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
Slower relative to our measure of time. Just like our lifetime is slower relative to an ant's measure of time.
When speaking to a child, you must put everything in their terms
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
lol are you calling me a child?
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 01:54 PM)Ocean Wrote: lol are you calling me a child?
I knew it. I knew you were gonna say that. In Ra's eyes, we are babbling toddlers.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
yeah but Ra is bigger so time is slower for THEM, not us the smaller ones.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
Well, time is regular for them. It looks slower from where we stand.
Semantics!
Did u know biweekly means both, twice a week and once every two weeks?
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
lol. no i did not know that.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - native - 04-16-2011
Their time isn't slower. Their density of experience is. Right now is a moment. All of 3d experience here will be collected and can be experienced as one moment. The whole octave is viewed as one moment..just like this present awareness. There is only greater awareness.
It can't be reasoned with and grasped, only experienced, you see? This is the nature of infinity. In meditation you will experience it! In infinity, there is all. There is only the moment.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
i'm getting a headache from this. i think i'm too much in the moment as i have no sense of time.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - native - 04-16-2011
editedit
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Ocean - 04-16-2011
the past shrinks relatively.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - native - 04-16-2011
they exist outside of time as it's traditionally understood. they can travel to any moment in this octave below their current level.
RE: The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies - Bring4th_Austin - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 08:38 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ok, trying to understand this situation with respect to the material. One must have been already harvested (not just be harvestable), in order to re-incarnate in a dual body. Harvest time is only just now here on Earth. This means that you were harvested on another planet? That is, for the last harvest time, ~25,000 years ago, the 'elder race' chose to not be harvested.
I can only offer my own understanding, as it was pointed out already we're dealing heavily in semantics and speculation. I have a pretty clear idea of my own opinion and understanding that resulted from my investigation on this matter and my contemplation up to this point. This may be a lengthy and involved discussion, but it feels good to get it all out. Blue ray energy?
First of all, we can dissect this Q’uo statement.
Quote:…these entities are natives of this planet, having just graduated from third-density Earth. They have graduated to fourth-density positive and have immediately chosen to return to the Earth sphere in a dual-activated third and fourth-density body.This session was in 2007, so there is one important conclusion to draw from this: Harvest is a gradual process. The conclusion we cannot draw is how gradual. We’ve noticed that Ra has spoken about Harvest in present and future tense, which is a rare contradiction in the Ra material, but is probably only perceived as a contradiction because of our limited understanding (or to me, because of MY limited understanding).
My take is this: the first two Harvests of this cycle were more indicative of what you are talking about. Entities may reach appropriate polarization, and then wait for the moment the guardians come and offer to take them to a 4D planet to continue their journey. We can conclude this from the fact that the Harvestable entities decided to “stay,” meaning they declined the offer to go somewhere else. This process would seem to be more of an instant than the transformation of a planet and a species into 4D.
When a planetary switch is involved, the game changes a little bit. 4D Earth will be the home for the harvestable entities at this time. We can assume dual bodies aren’t possible/needed in an environment without 4D vibrations, and we know from Ra that these entities couldn’t incarnate to protect the free will of the non-harvestable entities at the time. At the time of the Ra contact, they told us that the phenomenon was recent. Earth graduates in this final cycle do not need to be transported anywhere in order to continue.
So, once the 4D vibrations are here and free will is no longer a worry, I believe the Harvestable entities have the chance to incarnate in their dual bodies to assist in the transition.
Now to connect it to my situation as I believe it. If I had polarized many years ago, at that point I was “harvestable,” yet I was not harvested. Nowhere to go or to incarnate into except for a 3D environment which I was done experiencing. Now that the final Harvest is here, 4D vibrations are here, and free will is not an issue, I am awarded an incarnation during the transition period to help make the changes in our society to bring 4D earth from time/space to space/time.
(04-16-2011, 11:58 AM)zenmaster Wrote:Good question! Isn’t it all 1D anyways? I’ve always struggled with this. The elemental nature of 1D is something I’d like some clarification on.(04-16-2011, 11:34 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I wonder if any space/time material has started to coalesce in 4D earth to create matter. Or if it's still exclusively time/space now. Any ideas?First, what is 4D matter? Or even 2D or 3D matter?