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RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jim Kent + - 09-09-2012
"Get To 4th" By The Benhiles:
My musical partner and I are currently working on the final version of a song we originally wrote back in 2005
The current version can be listened to here:
http://www.myspace.com/benhiles
I though I'd post the lyrics as I feel that they sum up the situation quite nicely.
The words in italics were originally taken from L/L's tapes,
"The spiritual significance of UFOs" and
"Messages from the UFO"
Carla kindly recorded a high quality take for me when we met in Britain.
“Get To 4th”
© Jim Kent + 2012
You can get to 4th
Don’t you want to be more
You can get to 4th
Don’t you want to be more
Time is running out
Of this I have no doubt
2012 is the date
And sealed will be your fate
This will be a fourth density planet
Time is running out
Of this I have no doubt
2012 is the date
And sealed will be your fate
The Harvest is almost now, that is the reason for the big UFO influx
Only those individuals who are capable of raising themselves spiritually
Or raising their vibrations as we have a way of expressing it
Will be able to continue on into the age that is soon to dawn on this planet
It is something like the birth of a child, going from one density to another is like being born
And your planet is being born at this time
The delivery so far has been difficult but the baby is alive, the baby is alive
Such an opportunity
Presents itself infrequently
Are you ready to make the choice
If so it’s time to rejoice
This sound like a fantastic story my friends, but this is nothing new
It is a common occurrence throughout the universe
It is The Creator’s way
And this has happened before on this planet
It is a continuous cycle
It is a method by which souls can go onward and upward in their development
As they aspire towards the eventual reunion with their Creator
Whence they came long ago
It is not the end of the world my friends, but the end of an age
And the beginning of a wonderful new age
Graduation is at hand spread the message across the land
It is time to graduate
It is time to graduate
It is time to graduate
It is time to graduate
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - AnthroHeart - 09-09-2012
Good song Jim.
Indeed, it is time to graduate.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Meerie - 09-10-2012
I like your music, Jim! and you CAN sing
"creator is created" was my favorite song
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Cyan - 09-10-2012
I'm just surprised anyone is / isnt reaching harvest, the whole concept is so funny!
Edit:
A thought that wishes to express itself: "What if going for the harvest in positive means that due to having a strong experience in positive one goes from 3rd to skipping 4th 5th and to mid sixth, while if choosing the one with the less experience in (negative) one gets a larger base of experience by going through a new, yet paraller, view of the 4th 5th and early 6th densities, knowing that it is an illusion but using once travle through that illusion and the memory there in as a guide to others on how to "escape/balance" the self in the illusion."
Wouldnt' trying to polarize negative for the purpose of teaching others about the effects of polarizing negative once re-polarization to positive is attained as a method of "use self as a warning example" be a way of polarizing positive. Though, that turns itself back to the martyrdom for polarity thing which apparently doesnt work that well.
Hmm.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jim Kent + - 09-10-2012
Greetings,
Gemini - thank you for your kind words.
Meerie - thank you also for your kind words.
For the final version that we're working on, I'm actually do something that I've never really done before - and that's practice my singing - which I intend to do for a month just for this new version of this song...
Have compassion for my neighbours!
If either of you want a copy of the demo album this is taken from, I've still got a couple going spare, so PM me and I'll post them to you.
L & L
Jim
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - AnthroHeart - 09-10-2012
I have no idea where I am on the path, or if I am even staying on the STO path. I have found lately that I get angry so easily. I express them inwards and I end up feeling better after. And there's other things in my life that I'm not sure about. But I keep reading the Law of One quotes that people post here, and stay active in this forum. It keeps my mind out of the gutter so to speak.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Cyan - 09-10-2012
(06-11-2009, 08:04 AM)Eddie Wrote: Via the thread on this topic at Thothweb, we ran across a site with an explanation of the Harvest, and of the role played by the Service-to-Self sect, which was a compendium of a discussion between subscribers to a third site, and a poster who claims to be a spiritual leader among those incarnated here on Earth, who are consciously in the Service-to-Self pathway. This discussion is highly illuminating (perhaps the best thing I've ever read, besides the Law of One books). After reading it, I have an understanding of, and compassion for, the Service-to-Self entities, that I lacked before; and I now can provide them the Forgiveness that I previously couldn't.
I urge readers of this board to go to the site, and read the discussion. (It's a long read, but well worth your effort.)
Hidden Hands....an Explanation from the Service-to-Self Entities
Just finished reading the hidden hand material and I feel compelled to say that based on my experience with "resonance" and "laws of attraction" and what not, it is a exquisitely accurate portrayal of the motivation, logics, and speech patterns of "lucifer"
hope that is good for something.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Patrick - 09-10-2012
(09-09-2012, 01:10 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: "Get To 4th" By The Benhiles:
...
http://www.myspace.com/benhiles
...
Good stuff.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jim Kent + - 09-14-2012
Greetings sisters and brothers,
I amended the first two verses last night:
“Get To 4th”
© Jim Kent + 2012
You can get to 4th
Don’t you want to be more
You can get to 4th
Don’t you want to be more
Time to heal the pain
No more excuses to act insane
The Light will expose the Dark
Unify what’s been torn apart
This will be a fourth density planet
Twenty-twelve has now come
It’s time to have some fun
Multitudes with telekinesis
For details read my thesis
Comments / suggestions welcome.
I did chuckle when I rhymed telekinesis with thesis!
L & L
Jim
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Plenum - 09-14-2012
hey, nice verses Mr Jim.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Cyan - 09-14-2012
(09-14-2012, 08:40 AM)plenum Wrote: hey, nice verses Mr Jim.
THis is the second time i find myself inexirably drawn to compliment your choice of icons indeed.
That and I Read the ammended version, interesting if a bit traditional ABAB.
=D
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - caycegal - 10-02-2012
(04-19-2009, 11:19 AM)Jim Kent + Wrote: It is said that even though Earth will become a 4th density planet by the year 2012 - Humanity’s transition to 4th density proper will take a few hundred years more to become totally 4th density.
It is said that after 2012 only 4th density souls will be able to incarnate into Human bodies - but that 3rd density Humanity will continue to coexist with 4th density Humanity for approximately 100 to 300 years - allowing the opportunity for graduated souls to enter into 3rd density bodies with the aim of transforming them into 4th density Human beings.
Jim,
Your post was very useful to me in understanding a lot of this material. Could you be more explicit (and very, very simple) in explaining the sentences I have quoted here. I find I really don't understand what you mean. I understand that 3rd and 4th will coexist. But how, since only 4th density souls can will incarnate in human bodies? What kind of bodies will the 3rd density souls be in?
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jim Kent + - 10-02-2012
(10-02-2012, 12:04 PM)caycegal Wrote:(04-19-2009, 11:19 AM)Jim Kent + Wrote: It is said that even though Earth will become a 4th density planet by the year 2012 - Humanity’s transition to 4th density proper will take a few hundred years more to become totally 4th density.
It is said that after 2012 only 4th density souls will be able to incarnate into Human bodies - but that 3rd density Humanity will continue to coexist with 4th density Humanity for approximately 100 to 300 years - allowing the opportunity for graduated souls to enter into 3rd density bodies with the aim of transforming them into 4th density Human beings.
Jim,
Your post was very useful to me in understanding a lot of this material. Could you be more explicit (and very, very simple) in explaining the sentences I have quoted here. I find I really don't understand what you mean. I understand that 3rd and 4th will coexist. But how, since only 4th density souls can will incarnate in human bodies? What kind of bodies will the 3rd density souls be in?
Greetings caycegal,
I am by no means an expert on anything, least of all on a subject as mysterious as The Harvest, but I will certainly will attempt to answer your question as best that I can...
Let's say for arguments sake that Earth will become totally 4th density on the 21st December 2012...
Let's also say for arguments sake say that Earth will be able to continue to support 3rd density Human bodies for another 100 years...
The Confederation state that the 3rd density "vibrations" will increasingly "simplify" to eventually reach the point where Earth is no longer able to support 3rd density bodies...
Right now, approximately 98% of Souls incarnate as human beings are "non-Harvestable" entities, meaning that they have failed to make the relevant choice and Graduate to 4th density...
However, even though Earth will be completely 4th density by the end of this year, ( if it isn't already!? ), this does not mean that 3rd density bodies will suddenly all drop dead...
They will continue to live out the rest of their 3rd density incarnations, that is to say, 3rd density Souls in 3rd density bodies, but on a 4th density planet...
There is a small percentage of contemporary Humanity who, through the work in consciousness, have literally transformed their genetic physical bodies to become both 3rd and 4th density, something that is referred to as being "Dual-Activated".
There will come a time ( 100 to 300 years ) when all 3rd density Human bodies will have been phased-out, if you will, and will have been replaced by fully 4th density bodies.
The Confederation claim that 3rd density Souls cannot incarnate onto a 4th density planet, which is why ALL Souls incarnating once the planet has become fully 4th density, have to be 4th density or above, but there still will remain 3rd density Souls in 3rd density bodies, until "they" all die off as the natural evolutionary process transforms Humanity to 4th density.
I sincerely hope that my limited understanding has helped answer your question, but if it doesn't, please question further, and if I can't answer any further questions you may have, I'm sure that Carla would welcome and answer such a question on her friday night radio-show.
L & L
Jim
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - zenmaster - 10-02-2012
(10-02-2012, 02:05 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: There is a small percentage of contemporary Humanity who, through the work in consciousness, have literally transformed their genetic physical bodies to become both 3rd and 4th density, something that is referred to as being "Dual-Activated".Actually, those dual-activated types were harvested individuals from other worlds. Not really a semantic argument here, but the 4D part of them came from having a new base vibration in 4D. The genetic-body connection to that 4D mind was automatic from birth, nothing transformed consciously as part of that particular process of course.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Peregrinus - 10-02-2012
I am in agreement with ZM though will add that not only those of other worlds (that have attained 4D graduation elsewhere) may have incarnated in duel activated bodies, but also those of this world (that have attained 4D graduation here on Earth).
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Goldenratio - 10-03-2012
I would be under the assumption that were the earth to support 3D people for a timespan past the harvest, and a century gets kicked around a lot, the method for this would be the inability to reproduce for those that stayed 3D incarnate. At least that seems to me to be the most elegant solution.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - reeay - 10-03-2012
Aloha everyone
My understanding is that Harvest "date" is rather a catalyst that an actual time frame? We will be where we need to be, when we need to be, how we need to be, you have all that you need (because you are ALL that is). I have deep trust in this process. In the bigger picture there is no value judgment or measurement of time or quality - no failure or success, no 2011 or 2012. It is what it is.
If you look at the whole 12/21/2012 phenomenon, it clearly polarizes to those who are on the positive (doing their work with love and gratitude) and those who are on the negative (fear, control, manipulation... zombie apocalypse,etc.). This kinda makes me think the catalyst is working. I learned a lot from the negative polarity as with the positive polarity at this time, great teachers!
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - zenmaster - 10-03-2012
(10-03-2012, 01:13 AM)Goldenratio Wrote: I would be under the assumption that were the earth to support 3D people for a timespan past the harvest, and a century gets kicked around a lot, the method for this would be the inability to reproduce for those that stayed 3D incarnate. At least that seems to me to be the most elegant solution.You truly see infertility as elegant? I'm thinking there is no short supply of new 4D though. Which means no need to resort to inability to reproduce.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Goldenratio - 10-03-2012
With the postulate that the earth would be able to support life for a century past a harvest dare due to its own shift, yes I do. Im curious what you think would be a better way for a change like this to happen.
By most/all accounts most people will not be ready to go to 4D.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - zenmaster - 10-04-2012
(10-03-2012, 11:49 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: With the postulate that the earth would be able to support life for a century past a harvest dare due to its own shift, yes I do. Im curious what you think would be a better way for a change like this to happen.I don't understand the premise. When 3D natives die after the date which further local 3D catalyst is insufficient for learning, they are harvested to same planet for 4D or other for continued 3D. Therefore, newborns will be the so-called dual-activated. Where's the problem?
By most/all accounts most people will not be ready to go to 4D.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Goldenratio - 10-05-2012
You missed the premise I think
Group 1. Advanaces to 4D
Group 2. Stays 3D.
Now what happens to group 2? They all die on the spot? Seems inelegant to me.
Someone else mentioned the earth being able to support 3D life for around a century after the harvest.
Now there being a correlation of a century being about how long someone would live with good luck and good health I put the two pieces together.
Seems that if no more people were conceived going forward from harvest, that all but a very small handful would have a chance at living that long.
Hence why I say that with that premise, sterility seemed to be the most elegant.
No mass deaths, no fleet of intergalactic cruise ships piloted by GWAR or whatever, just life at this vibrational level no longer to make further generations.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - zenmaster - 10-05-2012
The transitional body makes more sense to me. No need for some sterility mechanism.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Sagittarius - 10-05-2012
(10-05-2012, 08:43 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: You missed the premise I think
Group 1. Advanaces to 4D
Group 2. Stays 3D.
Now what happens to group 2? They all die on the spot? Seems inelegant to me.
Someone else mentioned the earth being able to support 3D life for around a century after the harvest.
Now there being a correlation of a century being about how long someone would live with good luck and good health I put the two pieces together.
Seems that if no more people were conceived going forward from harvest, that all but a very small handful would have a chance at living that long.
Hence why I say that with that premise, sterility seemed to be the most elegant.
No mass deaths, no fleet of intergalactic cruise ships piloted by GWAR or whatever, just life at this vibrational level no longer to make further generations.
I think after a certain point only 4d dual activated children will be born, two 3d repeaters would still be able to have a 4d child. The 3d repeaters will upon death go to where they are going and the 4d people as Zen said will stay here in 4d.
So I'am thinking perhaps there will be joint effort between the dual activated and the ones in full 4d to bring the world completely into 4d, this happens after all the 3d repeaters are gone.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - caycegal - 10-06-2012
(07-26-2012, 12:42 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: Greetings sisters and brothers,
I apologise if this has been pointed out by other members in other threads, but as I found out when I questioned Carla on the radio show, if your sole motivation in being Service-To-Others is just to become Harvested, then this becomes Service-To-Self and you will not Graduate on the STO path...
I think that this particular scenario has some relevance to me personally, that is, in spending some much of my time worrying if I have Graduated or not, I have actually depolarized to some significant degree!
Anyone else found themselves in this predicament?
Jim
Although I am greatly drawn to this material, I don't think there is a rapidly approaching deadline, after which people will have missed the boat. I'm not even sure that time actually exists -- all that exists is the NOW. I would be more inclined to say that this particular myth is very useful to many of us as we practice our dharma. As we go along our way, we may refine or recreate our myth.
I, too, have wondered about STS and STO, because it does seem that one cannot help another without helping oneself. Once one truly understands and embraces that concept, then it becomes a moot point. Whenever I intend or undertake to do something helpful to another, I am helping myself. Therefore, helping others is more and more of an attractive proposition. If I tried to pretend I did not know that, then it would seem the only way I could move forward would be to try to cause suffering for myself in order to prove I was being unselfish. I won't even bother to discuss the ramifications of such a position.
I believe in my version of the New Testament, Jesus said "Love your neighbor as yourself," not "instead of yourself" or better than yourself.
Ra mentioned that Jesus had something of a "distortion" towards martyrdom, and that Carla has the same. I believe he also said the wisdom is superior to martyrdom, although I would have to go back and do some reading to find out for sure if I'm remembering these bits correctly.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - zenmaster - 10-06-2012
(10-06-2012, 09:55 AM)caycegal Wrote: I believe he also said the wisdom is superior to martyrdom, although I would have to go back and do some reading to find out for sure if I'm remembering these bits correctly.I think the idea is that wisdom provides the consciousness to make love more efficacious. It is interesting and ironic that just as it is lack of acceptance which prevents love from being available to entities, so it is with wisdom.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - ApponoAstos - 10-12-2012
Thanks love. I am doing my best to polarize towards service to others. To those who have chosen service to self, best of luck. Know that we love you.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jim Kent + - 07-01-2017
Greetings sisters and brothers,
I came across the following update when it was posted by a forum member in another thread, so apologies for the duplication, but I feel that this is so important that it bears repeating:
The following is taken from an update to Carla's Book: "Living The Law of One 101: The Choice":
https://bring4th.org/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=75_77&product_id=57
http://www.llresearch.org/library/living_the_law_of_one_the_choice/living_the_law_of_one_the_choice.aspx
And goes as follows:
"A note about 2012
In a number of places in this book, Carla Rueckert mentions the time of December of 2012 as being the time by which seekers of truth would need to have made their choice of polarity, either in service to others or in service to self, in order to be harvestable. When Carla began doing the research for this book in 2005 this was seen by her as a strong possibility. It was felt that the energies of the fourth density would be too strong for third density entities to be able to use for this purpose. However, as the grand date has come and gone, it is abundantly clear that catalyst continues unabated in all of our lives, and opportunities for learning still greet each of us as the Earth spins a new day.
Though we cannot know how and when, precisely, harvest will transpire—Carla’s perspective was just one theory among others—we are of the opinion that so long as we are still breathing third-density oxygen, we have the ability to learn, grow, and polarize. This includes making the choice itself. After four years of declining health, Carla passed into larger life on April 1st of this year. If she had had the opportunity, she, in the spirit of a good scientist, would have realized that her theory had been overturned by the hard data of actual experience, and she would have subsequently, with great humility, made this exact change to her book. So we would like to suggest that when you read her occasional statements in this book regarding seekers having only until 2012 to make this choice of polarity, that you simply ignore this statement.
Carla’s emphasis on a date in time in no way affects the rest of the message contained in this book which, as you will soon discover, is largely concerned with timeless spiritual principles. vii Fortunately the heart of Carla’s message, and the remaining 99% of the text, is right on target. She writes effectively and eloquently about the work of clearing and balancing the energy centers that is the prerequisite for being available for harvest. She had a gift for speaking from her heart, and for helping other people to get their own heart chakras open and clear. We are certain that you will enjoy your journey into your heart, aided by Carla’s own.
In Love & Light, Jim McCarty Carla Rueckert’s husband and scribe for the Ra contact. Louisville, Kentucky July 12, 2015"
I think that if true, and we have not reached some kind metaphysical cut-of point for graduation, then this is absolutely wonderful news!
L & L
Jim
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - AnthroHeart - 07-02-2017
Bashar said that 2012 just tipped the scales more toward positive. I believe from there everything would eventually shift. And it still is. I have a friend who has had some amazing experiences. Same with me.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jade - 07-03-2017
I began my "awakening" very early in to 2013, shortly after hitting a very, very low point in December 2012. To me, the date has always symbolised a personal, great shift in consciousness - it's been an interesting perspective to carry.
RE: 2012 and The Harvest - A beginner's guide - Jim Kent + - 05-25-2019
Greetings sisters and brothers,
I'm curious, has any one else's relationship with the current Harvest on this planet, been reinvigorated by the discovery of the revised meaning of the 2012 phenomenon as declared in the L/L passage as quoted in my earlier post? ( In that we have past 2012 to Graduate in this harvest. )
If so, how has this renewed relationship manifested for you?
L & L
Jim