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RE: Atlantis found? - Bat - 08-11-2013
Awesome link rake, Thanks!
RE: Atlantis found? - reeay - 08-11-2013
History channel also cites DW as expert of history lol
One glaring issue is that bloggers who report these stories make very definitive statements such as, 'But Atlantis was real, is real: scientists Paul Weinzweig and Pauline Zalitzki have found it.'
If you search for alternative perspectives you can see both sides of the story. Take this image for example - http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/riseearth/media/Mega_structure.jpg.html A group of researchers 'debunked' this photo as a photoshop of satellite photo http://www.viewzone2.com/cuba.hoax.jpg . It's possible that this is a sonar image of 'Atlantis' and it's possible that it's not. Inconclusive.
RE: Atlantis found? - zenmaster - 08-11-2013
The idea here is to believe "as if" there was Atlantis found. The "lost city" being found is allegory for the "hero" finding a source of light within their unconscious.
With that in mind, no one really cares if there is an actual city. The metaphor is an infinitely more suggestive, provocative, and compelling draw for the imagination to play with than any historical reality.
RE: Atlantis found? - Parsons - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 05:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea here is to believe "as if" there was Atlantis found. The "lost city" being found is allegory for the "hero" finding a source of light within their unconscious.
With that in mind, no one really cares if there is an actual city. The metaphor is an infinitely more suggestive, provocative, and compelling draw for the imagination to play with than any historical reality.
Speak for yourself. Your idea certainly doesn't hold true (I'm guessing) for most people people on these forums. For myself personally, I did not believe in Atlantis until two years ago. Since then, I have only been interested in historical facts about the civilization. I've never resonated with the 'lost city'/hero finding light allegory you present. You continue to sardonically paint this community as though it were a children's community for Disney characters. You are preaching to the choir.
RE: Atlantis found? - zenmaster - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 06:15 PM)Parsons Wrote:Not really, it's rather common sense considering the ridiculous lack of diligent research with regards to this thread. But thanks for your ideas.(08-11-2013, 05:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea here is to believe "as if" there was Atlantis found. The "lost city" being found is allegory for the "hero" finding a source of light within their unconscious.
With that in mind, no one really cares if there is an actual city. The metaphor is an infinitely more suggestive, provocative, and compelling draw for the imagination to play with than any historical reality.
Speak for yourself. Your idea certainly doesn't hold true (I'm guessing) for most people people on these forums. For myself personally, I did not believe in Atlantis until two years ago. Since then, I have only been interested in historical facts about the civilization. I've never resonated with the 'lost city'/hero finding light allegory you present. You continue to sardonically paint this community as though it were a children's community for Disney characters. You are preaching to the choir.
RE: Atlantis found? - reeay - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 05:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea here is to believe "as if" there was Atlantis found. The "lost city" being found is allegory for the "hero" finding a source of light within their unconscious.
With that in mind, no one really cares if there is an actual city. The metaphor is an infinitely more suggestive, provocative, and compelling draw for the imagination to play with than any historical reality.
That level of archeology would be called an inner-archeology (of the mind) lol.
RE: Atlantis found? - Parsons - 08-11-2013
There is no diligent research available on this topic, be it lack of data or suppressed data. Some of the only data available for Atlantis we have is from the Ra Material, which matches up with the basic premise of this thread; a sunken pyramid off the Florida coast.
RE: Atlantis found? - zenmaster - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 06:53 PM)rie Wrote:Lacking the factual support, that's what's going on. People resonating with suggestive material and so the "idea of" the city. It's actually funny that people don't understand and don't care that historical and factual are inseparable. You can't have one without the other. The humor comes from the personal frame of desire distorting an actual reality with bullshit to merely indulge whim and then from such dishonesty vigorously handwave to promote the replacement. Yes, a great service to mankind.(08-11-2013, 05:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea here is to believe "as if" there was Atlantis found. The "lost city" being found is allegory for the "hero" finding a source of light within their unconscious.
With that in mind, no one really cares if there is an actual city. The metaphor is an infinitely more suggestive, provocative, and compelling draw for the imagination to play with than any historical reality.
That level of archeology would be called an inner-archeology (of the mind) lol.
(08-11-2013, 06:59 PM)Parsons Wrote: There is no diligent research available on this topic,Ah but there is tons of diligent research, just lack of facts. That never stopped people from presenting non-factual information as factual (in a non-diligent, and dishonest manner).
RE: Atlantis found? - Horuseus - 08-11-2013
![[Image: grandpa-simpson-gif.gif]](http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/grandpa-simpson-gif.gif)
RE: Atlantis found? - Parsons - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 07:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [...]By the way, comparing fact-based historical research with personal psychological evaluation is ridiculous and you should be ashamed.
I'm assuming that this was in reference to this thread since it didn't fit at all with the other one, so I'll reply here.
What do you define as fact based historical research? The mainstream, extremely biased version of history that ignores/ridicules all archaeology that doesn't fit into their deluded version of reality? Where is Atlantis in this fact based research?
RE: Atlantis found? - zenmaster - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 08:05 PM)Parsons Wrote:I'm not going to indulge the severe laziness and irresponsibility which supports the victim/conspiratorial mindset. It's laughable but never fails to attract its willing crowd of sleepers.(08-11-2013, 07:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [...]By the way, comparing fact-based historical research with personal psychological evaluation is ridiculous and you should be ashamed.
I'm assuming that this was in reference to this thread since it didn't fit at all with the other one, so I'll reply here.
What do you define as fact based historical research? The mainstream, extremely biased version of history that ignores/ridicules all archaeology that doesn't fit into their deluded version of reality? Where is Atlantis in this fact based research?
RE: Atlantis found? - Parsons - 08-11-2013
I never brought up conspiracy, you did.
RE: Atlantis found? - reeay - 08-12-2013
Other than Ra, we have sories about Mu and Atlantis in our mythology. Plato wrote about pre-deluge Atlantis. Polynesians have orally passed down stories about a land in the Pacific called by similar names e.g., Hawaiki or Savai (pre-deluge). I'm sure it's part of our social memory somewhere.
Here is the original picture of a momument supposedly found underwaters in Okinawa called Yonaguni. Some scientists theorize it was man-made, other scientists theorize it was a natural formation.
![[Image: toriitrngph5.jpg]](http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6195/toriitrngph5.jpg)
This is a modified version that had been all over blog sites on the internet, where people claimed this was the original photo:
![[Image: yonaguni+face.jpg]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ga5YhU9cmwk/TC20xD_N9AI/AAAAAAAAA5c/_aeccb4DNkU/s1600/yonaguni+face.jpg)
These pictures tell a different story.
RE: Atlantis found? - BrownEye - 08-12-2013
I saw those two pics together in a news item a long time ago. They showed the accents to help depict the lines, although I can't see the top of mouth lines in the original.
RE: Atlantis found? - zenmaster - 08-12-2013
Even if the picture is fabricated, if it introduces one person to the idea that history is not what we've been told, then it was justified. Lol.
RE: Atlantis found? - reeay - 08-12-2013
Whatever one's biases and worldviews are, when seen thru that lens, one will always find ways to validate own perspective
RE: Atlantis found? - xise - 08-12-2013
I just want to say that I love and accept you zenny if it wasn't already clear.
I don't always agree with everything that you say. Although your commentary can be a little rough around the edges, I appreciate the grounding energy you bring to us. Many a thread have been made more interesting by your input. Thank you zenny.
RE: Atlantis found? - Wai - 08-12-2013
According to Prof. Arysio Santos, who wrote the book "Atlantis: The Lost Continent Finally Found", Atlantis was the continent that is now South East Asia.
See map and writeup at http://www.atlan.org/
I have always long to go "home" and since I live in S. E. Asia, perhaps I am already home!
RE: Atlantis found? - zenmaster - 08-13-2013
(08-12-2013, 01:44 PM)rie Wrote: Whatever one's biases and worldviews are, when seen thru that lens, one will always find ways to validate own perspectiveThat may be true but what choice do people provide themselves in this matter of validation? What of self is recognized and acknowledged when making claims and promoting ideas and how does that information participate in knowledge sharing circumstances?
Learning can be accelerated if consciousness is allowed to expand to include the disposition and desire from which apprehension reaches.
RE: Atlantis found? - reeay - 08-13-2013
Perception is interpretation of information that is received by our senses. These perceptions are laden with our values, worldviews, and biases from past experiences. One would have to make these biases and worldviews conscious to be able to work with them thru e.g., being self-reflexive. It's like the mind's heuristic or pattern that works in the background (a more broad range cognitive and emotional pattern would be like schemas). If these patterns are not made conscious then we may have a situation where 'the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing'. As Krishnamurti said again and again (w/ frustration) we have to observe self and ask ourselves questions - what do I believe, why do I believe, etc.,. From my experience, (and per my profession) it's building self-reflexive 'muscle' or 'situating' understanding based on one's worldviews. If you go to indigeonous peoples' conferences it's done a lot. This is my life story, this is what I believe, and this is what I think about x,y,z. There's more context to someone's perception of things and there is no right/wrong... maybe it's a bit green meme?
It's kind of a postmodern constructivist perspective so my answer is laden with certain worldviews and beliefs, too lol