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RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-09-2011
(03-09-2011, 08:48 AM)unity100 Wrote:(03-08-2011, 10:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: All the subdensities of a density exist throughout the existence of the density.
that is doubtful. there are various implied situations in which entities seem to be transported elsewhere for vibrational compatibility.
for example, the 3d entities which didnt choose to stay on earth at the end of 2nd cycle.
No, they weren't 'transported'. The subdensities are not physical places - they are progressive levels of 3D 'light' in time/space. Those at a particular level (or developmental stage) are able to appreciate that discrete level of logos vibration. All 7 subdensities exist throughout the 3D cycle. It makes sense as free-will choices need the 'headroom'.
As far as I can tell, the 3D subdensities have already been characterized by the system of 'Spiral Dynamics'.
'Turquoise', and higher, would be identified with the 3D 'adept'. There is a difference between intermittently experiencing from a level, and having a 'center of gravity' at the level. Presumably, the 'center of gravity' corresponds to the balancing of chakras.
Quote:The body follows the mind's lead, and is also the feedback mechanism to the mind. So all this diet stuff would presumably be for the benefit of the mind's acceptance of spirit.
(03-09-2011, 08:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: it would be for the benefit of spirit's acceptance of mind and body. mind is spirit's tool that looks at the manifestation, and body is mind's creation. if for any reason body has a diet that brings low vibrations which are not liked by the spirit, there will be stress on mind, and this will eventually reflect down on the body. if the body is fed with diet that spirit appreciates vibrations of, then energies from spirit will flow to mind and then the body without problems
By 'acceptance', I meant had a place made for spirit to indwell.
(03-09-2011, 08:48 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:Ra talks about the 4d body, but that's also coupled to a 4D mind.
there is no talk of a '4d' or 'xd' mind, at any point in Ra material. mind, is mind.
I'm not sure about that. mind as a principle is 'mind', but these principles tend to take form. When they do, they tend to follow a template of a logos. The individual distortions create a 'complex'. The 'mind complex' seems to be almost fully of its densities vibrations. "The body is a creature of the mind’s creation".
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Etude in B Minor - 03-09-2011
I don't think that 3D bodies can give birth to 4D ones. The 3D Earth and 4D Earth are separate. I think that the transitional bodies allow one to experience, at some level, both 3D and 4D energies. I look at it as having two bodies which are linked. I guess as time goes on (over multiple lifetimes), the 4D body will gain predominance over the 3D and eventually no more 3D bodies will be born.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-10-2011
(03-09-2011, 11:35 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: I don't think that 3D bodies can give birth to 4D ones. The 3D Earth and 4D Earth are separate. I think that the transitional bodies allow one to experience, at some level, both 3D and 4D energies. I look at it as having two bodies which are linked. I guess as time goes on (over multiple lifetimes), the 4D body will gain predominance over the 3D and eventually no more 3D bodies will be born.
So at some point, everyone in the population is consciously aware of both bodies, and then choosing to live completely in the 4D body? With free will as a function, how can this be guaranteed like clockwork, especially in this society? Are people going to become spiritually aware because the 4D vibrations force them to?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-10-2011
(03-09-2011, 11:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote: No, they weren't 'transported'. The subdensities are not physical places - they are progressive levels of 3D 'light' in time/space. Those at a particular level (or developmental stage) are able to appreciate that discrete level of logos vibration. All 7 subdensities exist throughout the 3D cycle. It makes sense as free-will choices need the 'headroom'.
mars entities (or the bodies they will incarnate) being transported from mars :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=9&sc=1&ss=1#6
Quote:I'm not sure about that. mind as a principle is 'mind', but these principles tend to take form. When they do, they tend to follow a template of a logos. The individual distortions create a 'complex'. The 'mind complex' seems to be almost fully of its densities vibrations. "The body is a creature of the mind’s creation".
ra explains what happens to complexes upon death :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=30&sc=1&ss=1#4
there is no activation/deactivation etc of the mind complex, as there is in body complex ; indigo body is activated right upon death, for example.
if mind takes any form, that would be its shaping with the biases of the society/group it lives in. once dead, all these are lost, and mind is free of biases again.
(03-09-2011, 09:54 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: With this bit of clarity comes some more confusion for me. I now understand the transitional bodies are designed to facilitate 4D vibrations in a 3D reality. But I'm still not completely sure on how we as Humanity, not individuals, go about shedding the 3D bodies.
apparently, ongoing generations will give birth to increasingly 4d oriented bodies.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-10-2011
(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: apparently, ongoing generations will give birth to increasingly 4d oriented bodies.
Perhaps I'm being overly stubborn in understanding this. I get the idea that each generation will have a more 4D oriented body...but this just leads to more questions. This means there WILL be a dual body generation give birth to a completely 4D generation. Am I alone in seeing how this may cause problems?
Also, since Ra said the transitional bodies are designed to allow us to appreciate 4D vibrations in a 3D reality without interrupting the 3D body function, how will such rapid evolution not effect our 3D bodies? We can't just have a generation born, half electric body, half chemical body...our current chemical body is too intricate to be interrupted abruptly like that, even given the max of 700 years transition.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-10-2011
(03-10-2011, 03:12 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: apparently, ongoing generations will give birth to increasingly 4d oriented bodies.
Perhaps I'm being overly stubborn in understanding this. I get the idea that each generation will have a more 4D oriented body...but this just leads to more questions. This means there WILL be a dual body generation give birth to a completely 4D generation. Am I alone in seeing how this may cause problems?
its not necessarily 1 generation, we dont know how many are required.
but, there are already problems. the 3-4d transitionary body users will be experiencing these difficulties as time goes on.
Quote: We can't just have a generation born, half electric body, half chemical body...our current chemical body is too intricate to be interrupted abruptly like that, even given the max of 700 years transition.
i think you are misunderstanding the chemical/electric body concept.
in both bodies there are intake of physical foodstuffs. but, 4d bodies are more electrically charged, using more electrical energy than 3d bodies. there is physical food eating in both bodies.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - hogey11 - 03-10-2011
(03-10-2011, 05:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: i think you are misunderstanding the chemical/electric body concept.
in both bodies there are intake of physical foodstuffs. but, 4d bodies are more electrically charged, using more electrical energy than 3d bodies. there is physical food eating in both bodies.
I wonder if its possible that its like two realities layered on top of each other for a time? This is all theory, so grain of salt is implied
(first post too haha)After the earth moves fully into 4D and the green ray activates, I think our 4D bodies will be available to us. This could be a strange time as we experience the world in both 3D and 4D, creating the necessary catalyst required for us to adjust to 4th density vibrations as a social memory complex. For some who are very high on the vibration spectrum, this awareness would be quite apparent and shocking, and for someone low on the spectrum, it would seem like regular old 3D at first. I think this change will manifest itself as the supernatural powers that Ra mentions, but layered over our 3D world and sphere. What happens when we cannot hide our spirits and emotions anymore? When the mind can create things by thought? This catalyst will allow us to start thinking in 4D fashion as a whole as we eradicate life's problems through proliferation of spiritual growth (and our 4D bodies).
From there, it would be up to each entity to fully penetrate the 3D illusion and fully activate their 4D bodies. As mentioned before (or in a different thread), this process may inhabit the 100-700 year transition period as entities move to the 4D sphere, after which the 3D bodies expire and the yellow sphere/ray goes into potentiation. It could also be that the 3D entities who did not graduate to 4D would then be shuffled off to another 3D sphere at the end of the transition period, if it hadn't happened already.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - AnthroHeart - 03-10-2011
From what I recall, Ra said that the social memory complex doesn't come around till 1/2 through 4th density.
BTW, welcome to the forum.
(03-10-2011, 08:28 PM)hogey11 Wrote: After the earth moves fully into 4D and the green ray activates, I think our 4D bodies will be available to us. This could be a strange time as we experience the world in both 3D and 4D, creating the necessary catalyst required for us to adjust to 4th density vibrations as a social memory complex.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - hogey11 - 03-10-2011
(03-10-2011, 08:34 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: From what I recall, Ra said that the social memory complex doesn't come around till 1/2 through 4th density.
By the way, welcome to the forum.
(03-10-2011, 08:28 PM)hogey11 Wrote: After the earth moves fully into 4D and the green ray activates, I think our 4D bodies will be available to us. This could be a strange time as we experience the world in both 3D and 4D, creating the necessary catalyst required for us to adjust to 4th density vibrations as a social memory complex.
Thank you!
Hmmm I never saw that - Thanks. I guess its not necessary for the big picture of the idea - just defeats my reasoning for the purpose lol
Maybe then its the use of this catalyst to disperse the illusion of 3D. Once everyone has their physical/social needs met, they can move on towards spiritual enlightenment and start to activate their 4D bodies...
I'm finding this topic absolutely fascinating right now, btw!
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-10-2011
(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote:(03-09-2011, 11:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote: No, they weren't 'transported'. The subdensities are not physical places - they are progressive levels of 3D 'light' in time/space. Those at a particular level (or developmental stage) are able to appreciate that discrete level of logos vibration. All 7 subdensities exist throughout the 3D cycle. It makes sense as free-will choices need the 'headroom'.
mars entities (or the bodies they will incarnate) being transported from mars :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=9&sc=1&ss=1#6
Think we're on different pages, I was not implying that bodies couldn't be transported. But rather, that the 3D subdensities are not physical places to transport. They're discrete vibratory levels of mind.
(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote:Incorrect. The mind we are born with is a time/space complex - this is what Carla calls our 'personality shell'.Quote:I'm not sure about that. mind as a principle is 'mind', but these principles tend to take form. When they do, they tend to follow a template of a logos. The individual distortions create a 'complex'. The 'mind complex' seems to be almost fully of its densities vibrations. "The body is a creature of the mind’s creation".
ra explains what happens to complexes upon death :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=30&sc=1&ss=1#4
there is no activation/deactivation etc of the mind complex, as there is in body complex ; indigo body is activated right upon death, for example.
(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: if mind takes any form, that would be its shaping with the biases of the society/group it lives in.
But that's not true either, the biggest glaring example is the 3D-veiled aspect of experience. We get that as a template as well.
(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: once dead, all these are lost, and mind is free of biases again.Not really. The prior personality shell is discarded and total mind-complex development, up to the point of death (i.e. past lives), is used for evaluation of the prior experience and to choose new ones.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-11-2011
(03-10-2011, 05:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-10-2011, 03:12 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Perhaps I'm being overly stubborn in understanding this. I get the idea that each generation will have a more 4D oriented body...but this just leads to more questions. This means there WILL be a dual body generation give birth to a completely 4D generation. Am I alone in seeing how this may cause problems?
its not necessarily 1 generation, we dont know how many are required.
I'm having a bit of trouble articulating what I really mean. In order for the human race to switch to completely 4D bodies to incarnate into, we'll have to stop incarnating into dual bodies. So imagine the first 4D body born to humans...everyone else alive is still in dual bodies. That 4D body's parents had to have been incarnated in dual bodies, because they themselves were not completely 4D.
At this point, is the 3D body so similar to the 4D body that there is hardly a difference? If this were the case, it may clear up part of my confusion.
Quote:but, there are already problems. the 3-4d transitionary body users will be experiencing these difficulties as time goes on.
What kind of problems do they already have? Any idea on what to expect in the future?
Quote:i think you are misunderstanding the chemical/electric body concept.
in both bodies there are intake of physical foodstuffs. but, 4d bodies are more electrically charged, using more electrical energy than 3d bodies. there is physical food eating in both bodies.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding. I was aware that 4D bodies still eat physical food...does this food go through a similar chemical distillation process? Will we still have all the same organs used to process this food as we do now? This seems to suggest the "chemical distilleries" are still there, only outputting a different type/amount of energy for the body and mind to use.
(03-10-2011, 08:28 PM)hogey11 Wrote: After the earth moves fully into 4D and the green ray activates, I think our 4D bodies will be available to us. This could be a strange time as we experience the world in both 3D and 4D, creating the necessary catalyst required for us to adjust to 4th density vibrations as a social memory complex. For some who are very high on the vibration spectrum, this awareness would be quite apparent and shocking, and for someone low on the spectrum, it would seem like regular old 3D at first. I think this change will manifest itself as the supernatural powers that Ra mentions, but layered over our 3D world and sphere. What happens when we cannot hide our spirits and emotions anymore? When the mind can create things by thought? This catalyst will allow us to start thinking in 4D fashion as a whole as we eradicate life's problems through proliferation of spiritual growth (and our 4D bodies).
From there, it would be up to each entity to fully penetrate the 3D illusion and fully activate their 4D bodies. As mentioned before (or in a different thread), this process may inhabit the 100-700 year transition period as entities move to the 4D sphere, after which the 3D bodies expire and the yellow sphere/ray goes into potentiation. It could also be that the 3D entities who did not graduate to 4D would then be shuffled off to another 3D sphere at the end of the transition period, if it hadn't happened already.
This theory makes as much sense to me as any! 4D vibrations force individuals to awaken spiritually, and over the transition period we learn to live 4D lifestyles as a global society. Eventually, everyone incarnated in dual bodies becomes aware of their 4D bodies and choose to live life through that body. When their 4D body dies, their 3D body goes with it, and eventually we see no need to incarnate with 3D bodies at all, and then we are completely 4D.
(03-10-2011, 08:34 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: From what I recall, Ra said that the social memory complex doesn't come around till 1/2 through 4th density.
I've heard this before, but I can't find the Ra quote to support it. Any idea when this was said during the Ra contact? I'd imagine a social memory complex is also a gradual thing, probably starting to develop early in 4D.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - 3DMonkey - 03-11-2011
Honestly, the details of the process are over our heads. Not saying that there aren't any esteemed doctors in the forum, but Ra explaining such a complicated process is much like a surgeon teaching a two year how to perform brain surgery. (I know. I know. some two year olds are brilliant.)
Think about using the vocabulary of the two year old. Scissors. Ouchy thing. The beep beep machine. (if you think of more creative terms post them- keep the sense of humor alive
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RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-11-2011
(03-11-2011, 02:01 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Honestly, the details of the process are over our heads. Not saying that there aren't any esteemed doctors in the forum, but Ra explaining such a complicated process is much like a surgeon teaching a two year how to perform brain surgery. (I know. I know. some two year olds are brilliant.)
Think about using the vocabulary of the two year old. Scissors. Ouchy thing. The beep beep machine. (if you think of more creative terms post them- keep the sense of humor alive
I have no doubt you are correct, understanding completely with out physical mind probably isn't even possible!
But ever since awakening I've found myself with the curiosity of the two year old you describe. I feel I may be going a little overboard with picking the brains I have available on this forum, but it gives me a lot to contemplate about the nature of oneness...from the information that is presented to the way it is presented, and everything in between.
I extend my appreciation to everyone who has participated in this thread; it has been extremely interesting so far.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - hogey11 - 03-11-2011
(03-11-2011, 12:15 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I'm having a bit of trouble articulating what I really mean. In order for the human race to switch to completely 4D bodies to incarnate into, we'll have to stop incarnating into dual bodies. So imagine the first 4D body born to humans...everyone else alive is still in dual bodies. That 4D body's parents had to have been incarnated in dual bodies, because they themselves were not completely 4D.
At this point, is the 3D body so similar to the 4D body that there is hardly a difference? If this were the case, it may clear up part of my confusion.
I can think of two possibilities off-hand:
1) Maybe a 4D child can only be born to parents who are at a sufficient vibration in relation to the 4D sphere and body. The parents would be able to work in the 4D body/sphere, but may not have fully accepted the 4D sphere yet. When a 4D entity is born, we have no idea if it even needs to be taken care of! Maybe the child will begin its learning on the 4D sphere while the parents work furiously to "catch up".
2) Maybe the mind of a child is a huge catalyst to fully unlocking the 4D body? It may be that children raised in a 3d/4d-aware society might very easily ascend to their 4D bodies compared to their (stuck in their ways) parents. Who knows? Maybe they will be the ones teaching us when all is said and done
haha just spitballin'... just wanna say, poor japan. Sending love and light as much as I can right now...
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-11-2011
(03-10-2011, 11:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Think we're on different pages, I was not implying that bodies couldn't be transported. But rather, that the 3D subdensities are not physical places to transport. They're discrete vibratory levels of mind.
i see.
however, there is no vibratory level attributed to mind, by Ra, at any point ?
moreover, if, upon death, there occurs great loss of mind complex, then there would be great loss of vibratory strength.
therefore, that would totally change the entity in regard to is vibrational strength, polarization, or vibration level.
if you remember, the advancedness of the entity is the point where the downflowing streams meet the upflowing streams - and this is where the spirit vibrates.
therefore, the thing that carries vibrations, and identifies the entity in regard to vibrational nature, has to be spirit.
Quote:Incorrect. The mind we are born with is a time/space complex - this is what Carla calls our 'personality shell'.
that is Carla's approach then. i didnt see it in the material. and in the light of what is told in the material in regard to death, bodies and vibration, that would not be correct.
Quote:But that's not true either, the biggest glaring example is the 3D-veiled aspect of experience. We get that as a template as well.
veiling does not change the vibration, nature, or shape of mind. it just makes interaction in between conscious and subconscious, harder.
if you call that a shaping, yes, it is indeed a shaping. but, the core means and mechanics of the complex that is mind, does not change.
Quote:Not really. The prior personality shell is discarded and total mind-complex development, up to the point of death (i.e. past lives), is used for evaluation of the prior experience and to choose new ones.
ra says that there is great loss to mind complex when dead. however, the veil is discarded, and contact in between conscious and subconscious becomes unhampered.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - 3DMonkey - 03-11-2011
(03-11-2011, 02:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I have no doubt you are correct, understanding completely with out physical mind probably isn't even possible!
But ever since awakening I've found myself with the curiosity of the two year old you describe. I feel I may be going a little overboard with picking the brains I have available on this forum, but it gives me a lot to contemplate about the nature of oneness...from the information that is presented to the way it is presented, and everything in between.
I extend my appreciation to everyone who has participated in this thread; it has been extremely interesting so far.
Definitely. The curiosity and the picking of brains is very worthwhile. I enjoy it too. I wanted to offer something of my brain. I did. That's not all. There's more in here
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Ens Entium - 03-12-2011
(03-11-2011, 09:03 AM)unity100 Wrote: i see.Yes
however, there is no vibratory level attributed to mind, by Ra, at any point ?
(03-11-2011, 09:03 AM)unity100 Wrote: moreover, if, upon death, there occurs great loss of mind complex, then there would be great loss of vibratory strength.
Loss of mind complex refers to memory loss. In the same way that OOBE's arent so clearly remembered is that they are not imprinted with the energetic signature of the 'body-mind' in which we operate when we 'come back'. What im saying that part of the (memories of the) mind complex is conditioned by the body. When the entity looses its identification and habitation in that specific yellow-ray vehicle, there is memory loss.
(03-11-2011, 09:03 AM)unity100 Wrote: therefore, that would totally change the entity in regard to is vibrational strength, polarization, or vibration level.
if you remember, the advancedness of the entity is the point where the downflowing streams meet the upflowing streams - and this is where the spirit vibrates.
therefore, the thing that carries vibrations, and identifies the entity in regard to vibrational nature, has to be spirit.
No. it seems that the mind complex is just the conduit for the development of the spirit complex. Ra says, "the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit." So there is continuance of the 'quality' of the spirit as you say, but it doesnt exclude there being substantial loss of mind complex.
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As to the idea that people will be able to leave the yellow ray vehicle, this is very interesting. What keeps the mind/spirit complex connected to a particular? i say the need for the experience and adaptations that that specific body gives, who knows, at some point the people in 3d-4d bodies will no longer need that set up and have the freedom to change bodies?
Another idea is that there may be a way to create another (physical body) constituted of the 'different chemical elements' or modify body the current one.. in some way.. so that then the body complex is fully 4d.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 04:29 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Loss of mind complex refers to memory loss. In the same way that OOBE's arent so clearly remembered is that they are not imprinted with the energetic signature of the 'body-mind' in which we operate when we 'come back'. What im saying that part of the (memories of the) mind complex is conditioned by the body. When the entity looses its identification and habitation in that specific yellow-ray vehicle, there is memory loss.
is it ? because there is nothing preventing the remembrance and review of memories in details that could not be remembered while incarnated, when you die.
apparently all memories are there, sharper than ever.
maybe it refers to concentration, and loss of bias-shaped mind.
Quote:No. it seems that the mind complex is just the conduit for the development of the spirit complex. Ra says, "the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit." So there is continuance of the 'quality' of the spirit as you say, but it doesnt exclude there being substantial loss of mind complex.
we shouldnt downplay mind, since we are told all feelings, thoughts, memories - everything that makes up the distinct identity of an entity is in mind complex, in the material.
coupled with spiritual bias and vibration.
Quote:As to the idea that people will be able to leave the yellow ray vehicle, this is very interesting. What keeps the mind/spirit complex connected to a particular? i say the need for the experience and adaptations that that specific body gives, who knows, at some point the people in 3d-4d bodies will no longer need that set up and have the freedom to change bodies?
i interpreted it as 3-4d bodies increasingly becoming more 4d through breeding, and 3-4d bodies of each generation dying out normally.
unless some other disruption happens.
Quote:Another idea is that there may be a way to create another (physical body) constituted of the 'different chemical elements' or modify body the current one.. in some way.. so that then the body complex is fully 4d.
theoretically, in philosophy, and in grand practice, should be possible.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Ens Entium - 03-12-2011
Yes i agree that bodies will gradually be more 4d through breeding and such as you have said. I was speculating about the situation of the last mixed body entity specifically. But yeah, just speculation. However it was helpful for me to consider why we have the bodies we do.
As to the after life review, i thought that being in time space facilitated the viewing of the life externally rather than 'through memories'. Now that i think about it, the question of memory loss is more appropriate for rebirth. And coincidentally... it's a question we must consider, because as bodies become more and more 4d and entities life/experience is as such. The memory loss effect upon rebirth is not as great. Did Ra ever speak about the exact mechanics of the forgetting? It seems to be quite different from the forgetfulness we experience in incarnation.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-12-2011
'external' viewing of life ?
everything is stored in the subconscious of the entity. the reason why during life, even memories lived during that life are blurry is due to the veil in between conscious and subconscious.
the mechanic of forgetting is the veil, and it acts when incarnating into a 3d body in a veiled planet. increasingly 4d bodies will increasingly not get affected by that mechanism.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - hogey11 - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 04:29 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: As to the idea that people will be able to leave the yellow ray vehicle, this is very interesting. What keeps the mind/spirit complex connected to a particular? i say the need for the experience and adaptations that that specific body gives, who knows, at some point the people in 3d-4d bodies will no longer need that set up and have the freedom to change bodies?
Another idea is that there may be a way to create another (physical body) constituted of the 'different chemical elements' or modify body the current one.. in some way.. so that then the body complex is fully 4d.
I have been looking into this and found this little gem from Ra:
Quote:62.28 Questioner: Then as the fourth-density vibrations come in this means that the planet can support entities of fourth-density core vibration. Will the planet then still be first-density core vibration and will there be second-density entities on it with second-density vibrations, and will there be third-density entities on it with third-density vibrations?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. There is energy but the distortions of the instrument suggest to us it would be well to shorten this working with your permission.
62.29 Questioner: Yes.
Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.
Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.
So what if the "difference" between 3rd and 4th density is more of an understanding thing more than a physical? If the yellow sphere is dissolved due to a different understanding of the world around us (an enlightenment if you will), it kinda makes all these body questions moot. It may be that we are just unable to think in the same way once 4D vibrations come in full, and therefore, an new "setting" is required.
I also wonder if the "electrical body" that Ra speaks of in 4D is as different as we think it is. Ra states that at the time of the channelings, there were already those doing 4D incarnative work on this sphere. I am assuming this refers to the psychics/healers/adepts of the world, both STS and STO. What I am getting at is this: What if the 4D body is a different configuration of our brain or the way we think? I wonder if this "electrical body" means that our brains will no longer rely on chemicals (allowing others to control our thoughts), but into a more pure configuration where we have complete control of our brain as we do our fingers in 3D. There is no "middle man" of the chemical body, and therefore we no longer rely on it. We "think" into our existence our energy/nourishment/health/well-being, rather than rely on the state of the physical vessel like we do in 3D. That being said, and if this is the case, we could quite easily choose our appearances as well. Our "perfect self", if you will.
Just a thought!
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 03:58 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I also wonder if the "electrical body" that Ra speaks of in 4D is as different as we think it is. Ra states that at the time of the channelings, there were already those doing 4D incarnative work on this sphere.
these were named by Ra as entities in 3-4d bodies.
Quote:I wonder if this "electrical body" means that our brains will no longer rely on chemicals (allowing others to control our thoughts), but into a more pure configuration where we have complete control of our brain as we do our fingers in 3D. There is no "middle man" of the chemical body, and therefore we no longer rely on it. We "think" into our existence our energy/nourishment/health/well-being, rather than rely on the state of the physical vessel like we do in 3D. That being said, and if this is the case, we could quite easily choose our appearances as well. Our "perfect self", if you will.
Just a thought!
looking at quo channelings and merging these with Ra, it seems this electrically charged / chemically charged seems to refer to energy requirements of the body. there is still intake of physical foodstuffs in 4d it is told. but apparently, 'living foodstuffs' as Ra calls them, charge the body electrically much more than their chemical reaction.
probably fruits and vegetables. raw.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Ocean - 03-12-2011
Christine Day claims to be able to "eat manna". that would be living off the love energy or something aka manifesting nourishment. she's the chick who channels pleiadians. also, i think David Wilcock says we can choose our appearances, at least when we reach 5D.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 04:16 PM)Ocean Wrote: also, i think David Wilcock says we can choose our appearances, at least when we reach 5D.
have you read Ra material ?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - hogey11 - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 04:11 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-12-2011, 03:58 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I also wonder if the "electrical body" that Ra speaks of in 4D is as different as we think it is. Ra states that at the time of the channelings, there were already those doing 4D incarnative work on this sphere.
these were named by Ra as entities in 3-4d bodies.
I completely agree. I meant it more in response to the idea of death of the 3D body. Maybe it will be more of a "disactivation" of our bodies in certain respects, rather than a physical death requiring a funeral. As our 4D body emerges, so does our consciousness shut off from being able to perceive the world of confusion and awareness. This is the death of the 3D body, only in its requirements to respond to a 3D sphere.
Quote:looking at quo channelings and merging these with Ra, it seems this electrically charged / chemically charged seems to refer to energy requirements of the body. there is still intake of physical foodstuffs in 4d it is told. but apparently, 'living foodstuffs' as Ra calls them, charge the body electrically much more than their chemical reaction.
probably fruits and vegetables. raw.
I agree, but it could also be referring to the energy output as well. Intead of our bodies creating glycogen out of carbs, proteins, and fats, our bodies will, over time, shut down those systems as it learns to feed the body with thought.
In terms of 4D foodstuffs:
Quote:43.18 Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth-density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.43.18
Sounds like we're gonna be small children again, refusing to eat our spinach!
I take it from this that eating in 4D will be a discipline thing. We must eat, even tho we will see it as so petty and trite an action compared to the plethora of more loving actions available? We know Ra built up an overabundance of compassion during the 4th density, leading to a great deal of martyrdom amongst their people. Is this a hint of that type of 4D problem? The neglect of self?
Its like the (enter addiction here) addict who refuses to take care of themselves to a point of detriment or even death. Will we take similar action in the name of Love in 4D as our catalyst to work through?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-12-2011
there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 04:29 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-12-2011, 04:16 PM)Ocean Wrote: also, i think David Wilcock says we can choose our appearances, at least when we reach 5D.
have you read Ra material ?
Somewhat unrelated to your comment, it seems that David Wilcock himself formulated this idea from Ra:
Quote:90.6 Questioner: If the population of this planet presently looks similar to fifth-density entities I was wondering why this is? If I understand you correctly the process of evolution would normally be that of third density resembling that from which evolved in second density and refining it in fourth and then again in fifth density, becoming what the population of this looks like in the third density. It seems to me that this planet is ahead of itself by the way that its mind/body/spirit complex or body complex looks. What is the reason for this?
Ra: I am Ra. Your query is based upon a misconception. Do you wish us to comment or do you wish to requestion?
90.7 Questioner: Please comment on my misconception if that is possible.
Ra: I am Ra. In fifth density the manifestation of the physical complex is more and more under the control of the conscious mind complex. Therefore, the fifth-density entity may dissolve one manifestation and create another. Consequently, the choice of a fifth-density entity or complex of entities wishing to communicate with your peoples would be to resemble your peoples’ physical-complex, chemical, yellow-ray vehicles
Quote:there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.
I feel it is because many view death as destruction. Even having faith in LOO teachings, some might find it disconcerting to ultimately shed your personality.
I would like to believe that once it's gone, we'll realize the physical personality is more constricting and it will be a relief to be free of it (until our next incarnation).
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 05:32 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(03-12-2011, 04:29 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-12-2011, 04:16 PM)Ocean Wrote: also, i think David Wilcock says we can choose our appearances, at least when we reach 5D.
have you read Ra material ?
Somewhat unrelated to your comment, it seems that David Wilcock himself formulated this idea from Ra:
actually not unrelated to my comment - i specifically asked whether she read Ra material because had she done it, she would probably remember that this was told by Ra. since wilcock is capitalizing on Ra material, he seems to have got it from there.
Quote:Quote:there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.
I feel it is because many view death as destruction. Even having faith in LOO teachings, some might find it disconcerting to ultimately shed your personality.
I would like to believe that once it's gone, we'll realize the physical personality is more constricting and it will be a relief to be free of it (until our next incarnation).
curious part is, even those people who speak of being 'one' or 'i am' or 'everything' seem to exhibit that resistance.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - 3DMonkey - 03-12-2011
(03-12-2011, 07:47 PM)unity100 Wrote: curious part is, even those people who speak of being 'one' or 'i am' or 'everything' seem to exhibit that resistance.
What sort of exhibited displays do you refer to?
I have a comment about displays by "those people" who exhibit resistance within a close brush with death. I ask for clarity before I assume we are thinking of the same exhibited displays.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Monica - 03-12-2011
(03-10-2011, 08:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: apparently, ongoing generations will give birth to increasingly 4d oriented bodies.
And, I would speculate, some with 3D bodies will transform to 4D or dual-activated. Or maybe the dual activation was there all along, in potentiation...?