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RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-29-2011
(01-29-2011, 05:31 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: Also, this might be helpful too: an archetypes study guide
This is a treasure trove. Thanks, Jeremy. I will dig into it and get back with observations and/or questions. I deeply appreciate your spiritual help.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-30-2011
(01-29-2011, 05:31 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: Also, this might be helpful too: an archetypes study guide
Jeremy, it is revealing that the 'significator of the mind' is paired with 'the choice'. This ties back to the earlier Hermetic reference that 'The ALL is Mind; The Universe is Mental'.
I also now have a distinct feeling that the mind equals consciousness. This may be common knowledge to many on these forums, but for me, it is a startling new discovery. Please consider the following LOO quote (extracted from 4.17), with respect to healing -
Quote:Firstly, the mind must be known to itself. This is perhaps the most demanding part of healing work. If the mind knows itself then the most important aspect of healing has occurred, for consciousness is the microcosm of the Law of One.
Is then the knowing of the mind unto itself = consciousness? Then the question arises as to how the mind can know itself, and even what does that phrase actually mean?
And in one part of 4.18, Master Ra says the following -
Quote:The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.
I think the above quote of Master Ra can be linked with another quote from the LOO (extracted from 49.6), with respect to 'awakening the kundalini' -
Quote:We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers.
I think the LOO exchange of 49.6 provides a layout of the ideal functionalities in terms of allowing the travel of the metaphorical serpent up through the energy centers/chakras. Extracted from LOO - 49.6
Quote:Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.
In schema, we can say the following, I think -
Red ray = survival
Orange ray = personal identity
Yellow ray = social relations
Green ray = universal love
Blue ray = free communication
Indigo ray = linking experiences to universal energies
Violet ray = understanding the sacramental nature of experiences
I confess that the facets of linking experiences to universal energies (Indigo ray/chakra) and understanding experiential sacramental qualities (Violet) are beyond my range of comprehension, though I have paraphrased them to the best of personal accuracy possible from the words of Master Ra.
Any thougts, Jeremy, and/or other individuals interested in this thread?
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - rva_jeremy - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote: Jeremy, it is revealing that the 'significator of the mind' is paired with 'the choice'.
Yes; every significator is paired with the choice archetype according to Ra.
Another thing I found in my re-reading of book IV is that all of these archetypes are, effectively, mental concepts, whether they refer to mind, body, or spirit. I believe Ra at one point says that they all apply to thought; in other words, the archetypical mind is a mental resource for understanding the body, mind, and spirit.
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote: This ties back to the earlier Hermetic reference that 'The ALL is Mind; The Universe is Mental'.
Yup; one of my influences which actually deals with the archetypes of the Christian approach to the Creator is a book called "The Fatima Prophecy" which was another channeled work. In those sessions, they examine the archetypical male and female and relate them to spirit, mind, and body as the father, the holy ghost, and the son, or male, female, child. One of the points they make is the significance of the mind; as it says over and over, "mind is builder". So the influence of the mind as the fulcrum of the process by which the unmanifest spirit is made materially manifest is something that strikes me on a deep level, as well, and something I think we can find basis for in the study of these archetypes as well.
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote: I also now have a distinct feeling that the mind equals consciousness.
This may not be correct; I can't speak with abject certainty on any of this, but given how much book IV deals with the veiling process and the nature of the mind as a complex, it doesn't seem to jibe with Ra's approach.
It seems to me that the conscious mind and unconscious mind are two sides of one coin. The veiling process by which the two are (not impermeably) blocked is a significant teaching tool for the mind/body/spirit complex. But the goal is to explore and use both, not for one to be stressed over the other.
My best and most honest understanding of the study of the archetypes would lead me to state that, of course, our study of them will be predominantly conscious in the sense that it is the conscious mind that makes the decision to begin and continue pursuing study. The unconscious has always been there, but our desire to invoke it an make its unmanifested lessons manifest in our awareness is a big step, archetypically and evolutionarily.
What we are seeking is for the matrix of the conscious mind to be potentiated by the unconscious mind. They are both mind; the path of the adept is the realization of this, so that the veil is less and less necessary for catalytic generation. The realization of which we are conscious is, obviously, the conscious part of it. There is another side; we stumble and patiently seek to experience that other side of what is an experience on both sides of the veil.
You may not have intended your statement to be as literal or absolute as I interpreted it; if that's the case I apologize. In no way, shape, or form do I consider myself an expert on this stuff. I just know how difficult it is to integrate all this, and I've been re-reading enough to find significant rebuttals and corrections to my understanding up till now.
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote:Quote:Firstly, the mind must be known to itself. This is perhaps the most demanding part of healing work. If the mind knows itself then the most important aspect of healing has occurred, for consciousness is the microcosm of the Law of One.
Is then the knowing of the mind unto itself = consciousness? Then the question arises as to how the mind can know itself, and even what does that phrase actually mean?
I believe this refers to the mind knowing itself on both sides of the veil, because the unconscious is normally correlated with time/space and the conscious with space/time. What the unconscious provides, among other things, is an intuitive grasp of a situation that is available in time/space, where Ra stresses that an overview of a situation is more available than the immediate, local experience we have in conscious space/time.
Does that make any sense? The mind knowing itself totally would be a mind that could penetrate the veil of forgetting and call upon its full being and identity to build, in a sense. Yes, it would be a conscious mind, but it would not be only that.
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote:Quote:The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.
I think the above quote of Master Ra can be linked with another quote from the LOO (extracted from 49.6), with respect to 'awakening the kundalini' -
Quote:We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers.
That may be true; I can't confirm it. It would seem that the correlation in terms would refer to some connection, indeed.
On the other hand, Ra has in other places cautioned that patterns of seven not be directly correlated between systems to the point of "forcing the issue". What I'm trying to say is that the correlation may be a clue of something, but it is not wise, in my opinion, to shove the square peg into the circle just because you have seven square pegs and seven circular holes. If there is a correlation, we must be careful that we do not impose it but instead seek it.
With that said, the upward flow of love/light through the chakras and the downward flow of love/light may indeed factor into the spirit's function or raison d'etre. But I confess I don't really have a good grasp of the spirit complex, so I neither want to dissuade you from your exploration nor lead you down a path that would reinforce in you my own misunderstandings.
As far as I know, the spirit is an element of our greater being that works in a mystery-filled manner. There is an integrating function according to Ra but I'll be darned if I can figure it out in any way, let alone a useful one.
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote: Red ray = survival
Orange ray = personal identity
Yellow ray = social relations
Green ray = universal love
Blue ray = free communication
Indigo ray = linking experiences to universal energies
Violet ray = understanding the sacramental nature of experiences
I confess that the facets of linking experiences to universal energies (Indigo ray/chakra) and understanding experiential sacramental qualities (Violet) are beyond my range of comprehension, though I have paraphrased them to the best of personal accuracy possible from the words of Master Ra.
Any thougts, Jeremy, and/or other individuals interested in this thread?
That seems to be a good characterization of the octave of aspects immediately below the undifferentiated white love/light, as explained by Ra.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Peregrinus - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Confused Wrote: In schema, we can say the following, I think -
Red ray = survival
Orange ray = personal identity
Yellow ray = social relations
Green ray = universal love
Blue ray = free communication
Indigo ray = linking experiences to universal energies
Violet ray = understanding the sacramental nature of experiences
This view is missing understandings.
Red Ray - joy of life, survival, and sexuality.
Orange Ray -personal relationships with yourself and with others.
Yellow-ray - group relationships or legal relationships.
Green Ray - expression of love and compassion
Blue Ray - communication to and from other selves
Indigo - faith, self worth, potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.
Violet Ray - influx only - indicates total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. There is no manipulation available for this ray.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 02:07 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: On the other hand, Ra has in other places cautioned that patterns of seven not be directly correlated between systems to the point of "forcing the issue". What I'm trying to say is that the correlation may be a clue of something, but it is not wise, in my opinion, to shove the square peg into the circle just because you have seven square pegs and seven circular holes. If there is a correlation, we must be careful that we do not impose it but instead seek it.
Jeremy, the above from your remarks reminded me of one of the original questions that I had in mind while starting this thread. If the octave is by definition an interval of eight tones, and if in essence there are eight densities (from LOO 16.19), there should in common logic be eight chakras or energy centers, isn't it? May be I am asking a very naive question as an individual who has little knowledge of occult topics; but I still would like to put it out there. Is there a mystery-filled eighth chakra as well, which if penetrated, leads one directly into the 'all that there is'? I know you may not have anything definitive on this, but may be you have read something somewhere or your intuition tells you something. Please share if it is so.
Thank you for taking the time to give beautiful and elaborate replies. I deeply appreciate your spiritual service and accept it with humble gratitude.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - unity100 - 01-30-2011
8th of every octave is also the 1st of that octave in its latter stages - this was actually there in quotes on subject you were discussing. its curious that you have missed it.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 02:14 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Violet Ray - influx only - indicates total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. There is no manipulation available for this ray.
Hi Peregrinus, thank you very much for contributing.
Is it possible that you could comment or expound further on the portion I have shaded bold from your earlier remarks?
I am asking the question with the following extracted LOO quote in mind (48.9) -
Quote:As we have noted, each of the true color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow-ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.
(01-30-2011, 03:23 PM)unity100 Wrote: 8th of every octave is also the 1st of that octave in its latter stages - this was actually there in quotes on subject you were discussing. its curious that you have missed it.
Thanks, unity100. As this thread began to grow, I was slightly disappointed that your active contributions were missing, because I normally find your searing and honest logic extremely effective in dismantling spurious or superficial commentaries.
I have asked one other question to another member (Peregrinus). If interested, please comment on it too.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Peregrinus - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 03:28 PM)Confused Wrote:(01-30-2011, 02:14 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Violet Ray - influx only - indicates total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. There is no manipulation available for this ray.
Hi Peregrinus, thank you very much for contributing.
Is it possible that you could comment or expound further on the portion I have shaded bold from your earlier remarks?
All other rays may be manipulated through conscious effort, willpower, and other means I will not expand upon here as they are untypical. Violet is, for all intensive purposes of 3D understanding, the sum of the parts (of the energy rays), indicating overall spiritual placement/progression. Although this is not apparent to the eye in this density, it is seen (in varying degrees dependent upon density) by those not in the third density experience.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 04:22 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Hi Peregrinus, thank you very much for contributing.
Is it possible that you could comment or expound further on the portion I have shaded bold from your earlier remarks?
All other rays may be manipulated through conscious effort, willpower, and other means I will not expand upon here as they are untypical. Violet is, for all intensive purposes of 3D understanding, the sum of the parts (of the energy rays), indicating overall spiritual placement/progression. Although this is not apparent to the eye in this density, it is seen (in varying degrees dependent upon density) by those not in the third density experience.
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Just found a quote from the LOO (extracted from 51.1) corroborating what you wrote -
Quote:Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - rva_jeremy - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 03:20 PM)Confused Wrote: Is there a mystery-filled eighth chakra as well, which if penetrated, leads one directly into the 'all that there is'?
Maybe, I don't really know. Like unity100 said, the eighth chakra for this octave would be the first for the next octave, if that is indeed how this works and I'm not making it all up or forcing the issue too much. You share my curiosity and desire to delve into mysteries by inferring that confirmed patterns in some places will be repeated in others.
This might be useful, but it's not authoritative: as I go through my process of clearing chakras during meditation (essentially just thinking about the location in my body and trying to feel them, sequentially, one through seven, sometimes even thinking of the tone associated with them too) when I get to seven I usually envision a curve out around my body back down to chakra one. To me, this is like a toroidal "torsion field" shape a la Wilcock's work. So I try to step up to the next octave within my own system instead of trying to find a separate eighth chakra outside the system. I just keep walking up the octaves within my chakra system like that until I feel like stopping.
Now, if you're into music theory, or anybody reading this is, what I want to know is: in the diatonic scale there are seven distinct tones to an octave, but there are also the other tones that make up the octave (the chromatic scale). To put it another way: there are twelve black keys between one C on the keyboard and another. I've always wondered if there's any significance to this: whether, in other words, there's a twelve tone octave system. Perhaps these would manifest in a way that would be comparable to the 7-unit octave as the tarot system is comparable to the tree of life.
Total speculation, but you can see why we get along so well, Confused!
Just something I wonder about sometimes.Quote:Thank you for taking the time to give beautiful and elaborate replies. I deeply appreciate your spiritual service and accept it with humble gratitude.
I stand on the backs of giants, my friend, who guided me with love and humility. I only hope that I don't introduce distortion through my own hubris. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about these things, and humbly thank you - you may not realize how much service you are doing me.[/quote]
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Peregrinus - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 06:53 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: when I get to seven I usually envision a curve out around my body back down to chakra one. To me, this is like a toroidal "torsion field" shape a la Wilcock's work. So I try to step up to the next octave within my own system instead of trying to find a separate eighth chakra outside the system. I just keep walking up the octaves within my chakra system like that until I feel like stopping.
Using this imaging might be limiting your influx of violet ray activity in addition to use of the violet ray in that you close your "circuit", as it were.. I would as you to consider that it may be more helpful to use imagery of the top of ones head to be opening to the sky (or stars or universe) and visualizing crystalized energy falling onto ones head and shoulders, permeating the body from above.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - rva_jeremy - 01-30-2011
(01-30-2011, 08:03 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I would as you to consider that it may be more helpful to use imagery of the top of ones head to be opening to the sky (or stars or universe) and visualizing crystalized energy falling onto ones head and shoulders, permeating the body from above.
That pretty much is what I do already. I just don't usually clear all my chakras in one pass. So for me it's very much about achieving a rhythm to the clearing, so I have to exert effort less and less to locate each one.
That said, it probably would help to pay attention a bit more to the downstreaming love/light and not focus solely on the upstreaming. Thanks for the ideas.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-31-2011
(01-30-2011, 06:53 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: Like unity100 said, the eighth chakra for this octave would be the first for the next octave, if that is indeed how this works and I'm not making it all up or forcing the issue too much.
Jeremy, I searched on google for 'the eighth chakra' with some curiosity, as I wanted to check whether there is some mention of such a thing.
As usual, there are multiple distortions and numerous interpretations. But I came across the following in a dissertation written by an individual for an advanced theological academic qualification and says it as part of
description of chakras.
Quote:"There is an eighth chakra, which is right at the bottom of our feet, which is our connection to the earth."
source - http://www.holosuniversity.net/pdf/cremascoDissertation.pdf
I am not sure where the individual got the information from, since I did not have the patience to check the bibliography. However, that line immediately reminded me of a quote from the LOO (extracted from 72.16) -
Quote:The energies of life itself, being the One Infinite Creator, flow from the south pole of the body seen in its magnetic form. Thus only the Creator may, through the feet, enter the energy shell of the body to any effect. The effects of the adept are those from the upper direction and thus the building of the wall of light is quite propitious.
There may be absolutely no connection and I may be very well out of context entirely, but I just got reminded of it.
But to highlight the fact that there can be a completely different view altogether, I am presenting the following from a January 25, 1989 channeling of Hatonn by Carla, which too I got during the same google search -
Quote:Once all of the energy centers have been energized, it might be imagined that there is an eighth chakra, the crown chakra, which is white. This energy may be seen as either a glow or as the white that brightens and then spins. It is part of the self but also part of all of creation that is the Logos, and therefore may be seen, indeed, in both configurations within the same energy.
I do not know anything about music, and thus I refrain from posting a web-page that in fact discusses a 12-chakra system. Like you said, I am beginning to realize that working with a hypothesis may create an egoic urge for proving it right, and thus one can collect and even distort interpretation to prove a point. I learned that lesson through this post and through your blue-ray oriented honest observations. Thank you.
The Hatonn channeling I mentioned can be found at http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1989/1989_0125.pdf
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - rva_jeremy - 01-31-2011
Interesting, Confused. Thanks for sharing. That Hatonn passage is especially interesting.
I'd be most interested to read about the 12-chakra system info you found, if you care to share it.
I agree with you about egoic distortions inherent in opinions on these matters. I'm trying to work on that intensively in this forum. This subject matter is a really great for that purpose because there's no real proof available. Nobody can really shut another down on a factual matter. So you're free to conflict and self-aggrandize as much as you want, until you realize what you're actually doing.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 02:05 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: I'd be most interested to read about the 12-chakra system info you found, if you care to share it.
Jeremy, here you go - http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/hb/hhb-20.shtml
I think the information provider has by design focused mainly on the alleged chakras from eight through 12. You can click on each of the links inside to read a detailed description. I skimmed the page of the eighth chakra within the website I have listed above. Interestingly, it sort of agrees with the academic source I pointed out earlier.
I now think I am developing a potentially viable hypothesis as to why you feel a torsion curve emanating from your 7th chakra and looping back to the 1st, after you energize them in sequence. That hypothesis sort of tallies with the description in the LOO that the ending stages of the 8th density lead on to the 1st of a new octave (or so I presume and interpret).
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - rva_jeremy - 01-31-2011
(01-31-2011, 02:57 PM)Confused Wrote: I now think I am developing a potentially viable hypothesis as to why you feel a torsion curve emanating from your 7th chakra and looping back to the 1st, after you energize them in sequence. That hypothesis sort of tallies with the description in the LOO that the ending stages of the 8th density lead on to the 1st of a new octave (or so I presume and interpret).
That's precisely how I think about it, although Peregrine had a perfectly legitimate counter-suggestion.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 01-31-2011
Jeremy, this page is succinct, and personally to me, very interesting as well. Just look around in case you are interested -
http://earthkeeperway.com/skychakras1.aspx
I would be glad to have your thoughts on them from your personal experiences and intuitions.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Peregrinus - 01-31-2011
12 chakras? How about this?
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There are all sorts of interpretations. I will stick with what Ra and Q'uo have given for information.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Confused - 02-01-2011
(01-31-2011, 07:00 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: There are all sorts of interpretations. I will stick with what Ra and Q'uo have given for information.
Got to agree with you Peregrinus, on the fact that there are multiple interpretations, some of which could be very spurious. I too am sticking with what Ra said, but there are many, I think, that Ra did not say, but left it for seekers to read between the lines.
I think this thread is one such attempt to try catch any deep insinuations possible.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Victorjames - 01-27-2012
(01-27-2011, 06:17 PM)Confused Wrote:Quote:75.40 Questioner: You made the statement in a previous session that the true adept lives more and more as it is. Will you explain and expand more upon that statement?
Ra: I am Ra. Each entity is the Creator. The entity, as it becomes more and more conscious of its self, gradually comes to the turning point at which it determines to seek either in service to others or in service to self. The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.
The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator.
This instrument begins to show rapid distortion towards increase of pain.
We, therefore, would offer time for any brief query before we leave this working.
In the LOO, it is clearly stated by the entity of Ra that it is crucial to attain minimal balancing of energy centers from red through blue in order to transform oneself into an adept in terms of attempting indigo ray work. I invite all seekers/adepts interested in the subject to lay out their knowledge of the chakras in this thread and if possible, make inputs as to their balancing.
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - apeiron - 01-28-2012
As an example and in my opinion, here I see blockages of red and orange (survival, oppression, repression, to say the least) to extreme, yellow (positive) partially opened allowing some pristine expression of blue.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/287638/20120125/kyrgyzstan-prisoners-sew-lips-protest-hunger-strike.htm
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Victorjames - 01-28-2012
Wow what an interesting web site.
My understanding/experience of what we are being told by Ra is true we are each our own Creator, free will. So whatever reality you create is true. It is your truth as they say. So consciousness becomes a reality to each of us as we deem it to be. So my understanding is that your free will creates your own consciousness and then it becomes your reality. So in my experience consciousness and energy creates your own realty. One cannot know truth unless one experiences that truth otherwise it is simply a philosophy. So I would suggest that all thoughts are truth because we create our own truth. So everyone is right. I have no knowledge of the colours that Ra speaks of but would assume it is right because I would suggest that most of us do not see the colours, my assumption only. It goes back to what many teachers tell us that you are not your body. Most of the comments I have read on this web site would suggest that they come from a body/mind consciousness but no spirit. What I call a world consciousness. If you think like a human you can only have a human experience. If you think like a body/mind/spirit then you will have a body/mind/spirit experience. My experience is getting to the spirit side of who I really am. In my experience if you conquer your mind then you conquer your self, you become sovereign. The world controls most of our minds through all of the, what we call new technologies, TV, movies,newspaper,government, commercialism, etc., and this is not wrong its just what is so but what might be important is for us to wake up to this control to make sure no one controls you so then you can choose for yourself. Some of it maybe extremely frustrating but it may go back to the positive/negative acceptance. Accepting both sides of the coin as just being what is so. Life is a wonderful gift. I may suggest that even Ra controls most of you because you may not be looking within because you may still be looking without. Being sovereign in mind in this world is considered very difficult because if you believe something that is not of this world then you have a 99 % change of not believing it totally and even if you think you believe it you do not believe it because its already part of who you are. Your DNA is already programmed. You must learn to reprogram if you wish. Your world around you will convince you that you are maybe crazy because you are not of this world but in this world. A challenge for sure! Its kind of like when someone leaves their religion, their culture, that that religion, that culture wants to reel you back in.
I love conversation because it teaches knowledge, but its only knowledge if you leave your judgment out of the conversation otherwise it might simply be gossip. Your judgment is human , this is what we do.
I have been told that I have a very deep mind.If you read my words then you must not assume what my words mean you must feel my words to be your experience as you would need Ra's words to be your experience as well. You must feel Ra's words also to gain your experience.
If you cannot love unconditionally all of those around you then you are caught up in the mind/body.
Its all about change, if you can't or won't change , then all stays the same in your world and there is nothing wrong. There is no wrong and there is no right, there is just what is so.
We are pure consciousness awareness.
I send my unconditional love to you all.
Victorjames
RE: From seeker to spiritual adept - Plenum - 01-28-2012
Welcome Victor James!
(01-28-2012, 12:44 AM)Victorjames Wrote: Wow what an interesting web site.
yes indeed it is
Quote:My understanding/experience of what we are being told by Ra is true we are each our own Creator, free will. So whatever reality you create is true. It is your truth as they say.
Free Will reigns paramount on planet earth. It is the thing that is preserved at all costs. Even to the extent of some quite vicious outcomes (for eg, one is free to drink oneself to death over 2 decades if one so pleases. God will not 'step in' to stop your choice of experience)
Quote:So consciousness becomes a reality to each of us as we deem it to be. So my understanding is that your free will creates your own consciousness and then it becomes your reality. So in my experience consciousness and energy creates your own realty.
we are agreed thus far.
Quote:One cannot know truth unless one experiences that truth otherwise it is simply a philosophy. So I would suggest that all thoughts are truth because we create our own truth. So everyone is right.
there are some truths that endure over a longer period of time. In the Law of One, we are seeking the 'eternal truths' rather than the more transient, temporary ones. Eternal truths are true for all time; transient truths, the truths we most commonly associate with 'facts', 'theorems', 'law of physics' - these are more temporary truths, parameters of the current experience.
Quote:I have no knowledge of the colours that Ra speaks of but would assume it is right because I would suggest that most of us do not see the colours, my assumption only.
they are the simple colors of the rainbow, one of the most basic divisions of 7. Indigo ray is one that attracts many people because it holds the promise of great power. Green ray has to do with the heart, and love.
Quote:It goes back to what many teachers tell us that you are not your body.
it might be fairer to say that we ARE our body, but we are also MUCH MORE.
Quote:Most of the comments I have read on this web site would suggest that they come from a body/mind consciousness but no spirit. What I call a world consciousness. If you think like a human you can only have a human experience. If you think like a body/mind/spirit then you will have a body/mind/spirit experience. My experience is getting to the spirit side of who I really am.
yes, we all seek the spirit, that place of ineffability.
Quote:In my experience if you conquer your mind then you conquer your self, you become sovereign.
so the Buddha once said too
Quote:The world controls most of our minds through all of the, what we call new technologies, TV, movies,newspaper,government, commercialism, etc., and this is not wrong its just what is so but what might be important is for us to wake up to this control to make sure no one controls you so then you can choose for yourself.
indeed. It is an elaborate form of programming, from cradle to grave.
Quote:Some of it maybe extremely frustrating but it may go back to the positive/negative acceptance. Accepting both sides of the coin as just being what is so.
I see us human beings as God Consciousness that has shattered into a billion billion pieces, and we are all wending our way back to Unity. Some take the left hand path, others the right. We all get there eventually
Quote:Life is a wonderful gift. I may suggest that even Ra controls most of you because you may not be looking within because you may still be looking without.
if you treat the Ra material like a bible, yes, you just become a parrot. People grow tired of parrots
We enjoy sharing diverse opinions on this forum, and no matter how hard you try, it is hard to suppress one's natural personality. Many viewpoints come through. One example would be the 'Harvest' and what might happen at the end of this year. Much contention.Ra recommends inward seeking via quiet meditation.
Quote:Being sovereign in mind in this world is considered very difficult because if you believe something that is not of this world then you have a 99 % change of not believing it totally and even if you think you believe it you do not believe it because its already part of who you are. Your DNA is already programmed. You must learn to reprogram if you wish.
I had direct experience of this growing up in a relatively poor family with relatively conventional mindsets. I 'broke out of it' with a fair bit of resistance.
Quote:Your world around you will convince you that you are maybe crazy because you are not of this world but in this world. A challenge for sure! Its kind of like when someone leaves their religion, their culture, that that religion, that culture wants to reel you back in.
yes, for a while, my parents thought I had become possessed while on an overseas trip!
Quote:I love conversation because it teaches knowledge, but its only knowledge if you leave your judgment out of the conversation otherwise it might simply be gossip. Your judgment is human , this is what we do.
yes, we are having a deep conversation right here!
Quote:I have been told that I have a very deep mind.If you read my words then you must not assume what my words mean you must feel my words to be your experience as you would need Ra's words to be your experience as well. You must feel Ra's words also to gain your experience.
put everything to the test Brother!
Quote:If you cannot love unconditionally all of those around you then you are caught up in the mind/body.
that is quite a large step to make.
Quote:Its all about change, if you can't or won't change , then all stays the same in your world and there is nothing wrong. There is no wrong and there is no right, there is just what is so.
we are free to evolve at the speed we want to. No race.
Quote:We are pure consciousness awareness.
I would definitely like to reach that state, and hold it. I have had glimpses of it for the briefest of moments.
Quote:I send my unconditional love to you all.
Victorjames
thanks for the convo.
yours sincerely,
plenum, Australia