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RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - zedro - 11-10-2021
Our higher self is a type of conglomeration of all the other identities we have interacted with, although it specifically defines our unique identity in the ecology of the logos. I believe it is a result of the 'agreement' between all the other identities we have interacted with that there has been a balance achieved in associated experiences, like an over arching type of karma spanning the octave.
For example, the agreement that the catalyst we received from a negative entity was "fair" and we accepted the resulting growth, and that entity agrees that they had their "due" expression of their experience met.
My apologies if this isn't relevant to your question.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - IndigoSalvia - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 07:29 AM)zedro Wrote: Our higher self is a type of conglomeration of all the other identities we have interacted with, although it specifically defines our unique identity in the ecology of the logos. I believe it is a result of the 'agreement' between all the other identities we have interacted with that there has been a balance achieved in associated experiences, like an over arching type of karma spanning the octave.
For example, the agreement that the catalyst we received from a negative entity was "fair" and we accepted the resulting growth, and that entity agrees that they had their "due" expression of their experience met.
My apologies if this isn't relevant to your question.
Interesting. Can you elaborate?
If I understand what you're saying (?) ... Our higher self is not just a conglomeration of our 1D-7D selves (of which we currently in 3D are a facet), but also a conglomeration of say, our cumulative experiences (interactions and agreements) with other entities. So that, as our self-complex (this 1D-7D self conglomeration, for lack of a better term) interacts with other self-complexes, we learn, grow, etc. We, kind of, merge and expand energies with seeming other self-complexes.
I conceptualized that my higher self and all versions of self (1D-7D, including me here and now) can all, to varying degree, access one another: our collective experiences and energies are one. But until I read what you wrote, I saw a distinct "bubble" around this self-complex.
Of course, the seeming bubble of distinction, separation is repeatedly dissolving in Law of One so ... another bubble burst.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - LeiwoUnion - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 06:55 AM)jafar Wrote:(11-10-2021, 04:00 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: First point: I'll attempt to clarify. Imagine yourself sailing on a boat in the sea, searching for the droplet of blood you lost. You have a sense or a device that points the exact location for the missing droplet but even, if you jump into the water, it is impossible to see or catch the droplet. Now imagine you could go down in size to the size of the droplet while having the ability to locate it and perceive time and space as the droplet does. Now it is easy to locate the droplet but at the same time you lost perception of the boat and the sea as a whole. I hope this helps in understanding what I meant. This is a crude attempt but I tried to simplify my idea to the best of my ability.
Second point: What makes you so sure that the entity's higher self wasn't involved?
Thanks LeiwoUnion
I somehow sense that your Second and First point is related.
Especially on the second point, are you saying that the entity's higher self is using other entity or should I say another member of it's SMC to 'help' it's member of SMC being trapped in the lower astral / negative time / space?
Because somehow I do got a 'sense' that it is.
In the end, we are all One. Still, you are correct, it is quite regular to aid those closest to oneself. Also, make note that at higher self level, or even higher, the 'group' is getting closer to mind/body/spirit complex totality, which means that all boundaries between different entities and their various incarnations begin truly losing their meaning, even in the literal sense. In the big picture this whole solar system with its past and future 'incarnations' of various levels are all part of the same totality working towards 8th density. The realizations of being of this totality just seemingly happen at different times, which of course is just the illusion of causality. So, where I'm getting at is that it is not unusual for higher selves etc. to organize 'rescues' of lower level selves, for example, with missions of varying amounts of complexity to keep the evolution of the Logoic experiential sphere going. Help other, help yourself; this is my understanding.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - zedro - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 12:35 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote:(11-10-2021, 07:29 AM)zedro Wrote: Our higher self is a type of conglomeration of all the other identities we have interacted with, although it specifically defines our unique identity in the ecology of the logos. I believe it is a result of the 'agreement' between all the other identities we have interacted with that there has been a balance achieved in associated experiences, like an over arching type of karma spanning the octave.
For example, the agreement that the catalyst we received from a negative entity was "fair" and we accepted the resulting growth, and that entity agrees that they had their "due" expression of their experience met.
My apologies if this isn't relevant to your question.
Interesting. Can you elaborate?
If I understand what you're saying (?) ... Our higher self is not just a conglomeration of our 1D-7D selves (of which we currently in 3D are a facet), but also a conglomeration of say, our cumulative experiences (interactions and agreements) with other entities. So that, as our self-complex (this 1D-7D self conglomeration, for lack of a better term) interacts with other self-complexes, we learn, grow, etc. We, kind of, merge and expand energies with seeming other self-complexes.
I conceptualized that my higher self and all versions of self (1D-7D, including me here and now) can all, to varying degree, access one another: our collective experiences and energies are one. But until I read what you wrote, I saw a distinct "bubble" around this self-complex.
Of course, the seeming bubble of distinction, separation is repeatedly dissolving in Law of One so ... another bubble burst.
Your (really good) interpretation of what I wrote I believe would be what actualizes the higher self (more inclined with what Lew is referring to, the grand merging at the end of the octave), while your "bubble" is more like the pure resulting identity. The distinction I believe lies in how the higher self can actually maneuver or change its lower density aspects (I.e. changing the past relies on managing all the relationships/interactions) because otherwise you would be infringing on those other entities and mucking up timeliness.
The higher self has a certain potential that it seeks to achieve or maximize, but this potential inherently relies on the sum of all experiences with others. So when your higher self reaches back to you to warn you about that bus that may hit you, it has to negotiate with the other higher selves who may have (potential) experiences tied to that event in one way or another. All these things are probabilistic in nature, and changing one thing may impact other key events/major choices (or nodes) down the road, which create other probabilistic events.
If this sounds confusing, just contemplate how a quantum computer tries to solve problems. It goes through all potentials but assigns probabilities to each path, finding the most probable outcome, or organically speaking, the path of least resistance.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - Infinite Unity - 11-23-2021
(11-01-2021, 09:41 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I am finding it challenging to reconcile how STS is an appropriate, viable path toward Unity, specifically throughout 4D and 5D (because at 6D, STS dissolves [in short]).There is One being here. Much of what you believe to “right” or “wrong” has been taught or implanted into your mind. If I am the only One, there are no other opinions or inputs. There is no multi-level morality, as there is only One here. If the One is ok with something, then there are no others to question it, or say an opinion on the matter.
It's fuzzy and I'm hoping some of you can help bring it into sharper focus.
If Our (all of us beings, or parts) collective objective is to work toward Unity - toward the realization that we are all one and infinite manifestations of the Creator/Creation - how does STS serve this objective?
I see STS as self-serving: part-serving or individual-serving. STS beings (or parts, facets) of Our One/Infinite Creator/Creation-ness place individuated self over unified Self. How does this stance bring the collective closer to unity?
Such a STS being (part of Us) spends a long existence in the density of Love (4D), and then in the density of Light (5D) continuing to separate from (which seems to be a form of denial of) Our true nature, before finally reaching 6D and releasing STS stance.
I can intellectually understand that there may be a STS being/facet that fancies itself as the benevolent leader over all of us others. That it alone must get its hands a little dirty, but for the greater good, so to speak: to reach Unity. Or, I know best what's best for Us.
Yet, no veil beginning in 4D, so these STS parts/beings/facets of Us realize: in the beginning/end, We are One. There is no one dominant being, or facet of Us, so to speak. Whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
How do these STS parts, facets of Us (or beings) reconcile that they are, indeed, moving us all toward Unity via separation (control, domination, manipulation, etc.)?
So negativity can begin to be a reinforcer and beautifier of Love/Light. Also Divine is stating that all things are a product of another product all the way to the source.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - flofrog - 11-23-2021
It’s funny but, long before I found the LOO, I had found that there were in Conversations with God similar things with the Gita. One was the mention how a small soul was ready to play the ‘bad’ guy so the other little soul could perform being the ‘good’ guy. Of course it was shedding some light in a very rough basic way but still. Still speaking well towards interconnectedness.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - Diana - 11-24-2021
Things in this reality are not black and white, or simple, and involve more than we can perceive in a 3D mindset.
A good example would be a husband and wife. The husband is a violent man and beats his wife. She is afraid to leave him for fear of her life because he keeps her in a threatened state. In simple terms this looks like she is the victim and he is the predator. But one can imagine a scenario that looks past simple societal views. Maybe the two of them agreed to this interaction at a soul level, so that they could learn from each other. The woman may want to learn self-worth, valuing herself, and standing up for that. The man may want to learn to open the heart to empathy and compassion. It is a learn/teach situation that cannot be judged accurately by simple notions of "right" and "wrong."
(11-23-2021, 12:20 PM)flofrog Wrote: It’s funny but, long before I found the LOO, I had found that there were in Conversations with God similar things with the Gita. One was the mention how a small soul was ready to play the ‘bad’ guy so the other little soul could perform being the ‘good’ guy. Of course it was shedding some light in a very rough basic way but still. Still speaking well towards interconnectedness.
I remember (with much paraphrasing) a story from some book about an attorney who was selfish and focused on money and didn't care much about anyone but himself. Every day, for many years, into work he would walk past a derelict homeless person asking for a handout. The attorney just ignored him. One day the homeless person was not there. This made the attorney wonder, because in spite of his self-centeredness the homeless man had become a part of his life almost like a friend, and he found the man had died. The purpose of this story is that the attorney, after he died, came to understand that the homeless man had incarnated just for the purpose of helping the attorney to open his heart.
I don't know of this story is true and I don't see that it matters. It illustrates that there is always the possibility of another view of things. It suggests that there is more to the story than our limitations can grasp.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - jafar - 11-24-2021
(11-23-2021, 12:20 PM)flofrog Wrote: It’s funny but, long before I found the LOO, I had found that there were in Conversations with God similar things with the Gita. One was the mention how a small soul was ready to play the ‘bad’ guy so the other little soul could perform being the ‘good’ guy. Of course it was shedding some light in a very rough basic way but still. Still speaking well towards interconnectedness.
I had the same thought but it was triggered after I read the entire trilogy of The Lord Of The Rings novel.
Back then the movies were not made yet.
Thanks to Sauron and his fear spreading menace, Frodo learned, recognized and discovered courage.
And since everything there was basically the work of one man, JRR Tolkien.
Through Sauron, Orcs, Saruman and other villain characters, Tolkien is exploring things which he is not.
I somehow 'sense' that Tolkien is identifying himself more as a mixture between Gandalf and Bilbo.
And since Gita is mentioned, Gita is also the work of one man, Vyasa
A small part of a bigger epic story titled Maha Bharata, The Big Bharata, where Bharata is the man that is the common ancestor of both the protagonist and the antagonist. Nobody knows for sure whether Krishna or Arjuna really exist historically, most probably both are characters invented by the author, Vyasa. Similar to Sauron and Frodo in The Lord Of The Rings.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - unity100 - 11-27-2021
Quote:How do these STS parts, facets of Us (or beings) reconcile that they are, indeed, moving us all toward Unity via separation (control, domination, manipulation, etc.)?
They don't have to reconcile anything:
To start with, the state of being you describe above is not attainable until the early 6th. You can understand it, but you would not be energetically manifest it.
Then, spiritual bias is a fundamental bias that is strong and it changes very slowly. So the spiritual bias of an entity that is negative would affect its inclinations with or without the veil. The drive from that spiritual bias would be stronger than other drives when the veil is lifted.
And simply - if the entity did not have that much negative polarization in nature, it wouldn't polarize negatively in 3d in the first place.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - IndigoSalvia - 12-12-2021
The clear demarcations between STO/STS, as well as other seeming opposite/complementary natures have been dissolving for me: Creator/Creation; separation/unity; self/other; teach/learn; time/space; what is/what is not ...
I have a clear sense that there is a state of both separation and unity, simultaneously. But, it feels like my 3D brain is programmed to see (choose) either unity or separation. I can't quite seem to hold the two occurring simultaneously.
Like a coin: the coin is one thing, and it also has 2 sides. Is it a 2-sided thing? Is it 1 thing? Or is it both/and? It's both/and.
I read the latest Quo channeling (https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2021/1105), and the boundaries between the poles, etc. dissolved a bit more.
I understood that the poles (STO and STS) are illusory. And, paradoxically, within the 3D illusion, it is necessary to choose and thus, reinforce seeming separation. In my 3D experience, I find that choice is unavoidable and instinctual for me.
So, I have the experience of holding two 'realms' or 'truths' that feel paradoxical. Like I'm walking and being in 3D, but I can catch a glimpse of another truth or realm where all is both/and simultaneously (where the demarcations between separation and unity dissolve).
I've started practicing seeing that each moment has infinite choices (for feeling, acting, thinking, etc.) What, out of this buffet, do I choose? Can I possibly choose both unity and separation at the exact same time?
It's a weird sensation, and I'm not sure whether the words I have chosen capture it. Maybe it's just semantics, but something is drawing me to it.
Comments from others who have 'been there, done that'?
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - zedro - 12-12-2021
(12-12-2021, 04:23 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: The clear demarcations between STO/STS, as well as other seeming opposite/complementary natures have been dissolving for me: Creator/Creation; separation/unity; self/other; teach/learn; time/space; what is/what is not ...
I have a clear sense that there is a state of both separation and unity, simultaneously. But, it feels like my 3D brain is programmed to see (choose) either unity or separation. I can't quite seem to hold the two occurring simultaneously.
Like a coin: the coin is one thing, and it also has 2 sides. Is it a 2-sided thing? Is it 1 thing? Or is it both/and? It's both/and.
I read the latest Quo channeling (https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2021/1105), and the boundaries between the poles, etc. dissolved a bit more.
I understood that the poles (STO and STS) are illusory. And, paradoxically, within the 3D illusion, it is necessary to choose and thus, reinforce seeming separation. In my 3D experience, I find that choice is unavoidable and instinctual for me.
So, I have the experience of holding two 'realms' or 'truths' that feel paradoxical. Like I'm walking and being in 3D, but I can catch a glimpse of another truth or realm where all is both/and simultaneously (where the demarcations between separation and unity dissolve).
I've started practicing seeing that each moment has infinite choices (for feeling, acting, thinking, etc.) What, out of this buffet, do I choose? Can I possibly choose both unity and separation at the exact same time?
It's a weird sensation, and I'm not sure whether the words I have chosen capture it. Maybe it's just semantics, but something is drawing me to it.
Comments from others who have 'been there, done that'?
It's all paradoxical and misleading at the 3d level, this is why it's important to not view things as inherently positively or negatively polarizing, but model your actions in respect to your internal morals/intent, to act ethically (external, karma creating) through your morals (internal, polarization direction). The trick is keeping action and intent polarities in sync, otherwise you get stuck in confusion.
Some things may seem to be separating when they are not, and vice versa, depending on the level of wisdom it is viewed from. But the ultimate goal is to polarize without worrying about it.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - IndigoSalvia - 12-12-2021
What happens when the seeming clear, sharp lines that demarcate STO and STS (for example) as separate things starts to dissolve, and they converge into one? Like two circles in a Venn diagram slowly moving toward overlapping more and more.
My neat and tidy "this" or "that" piles (which have served me well) are converging into one big pile of both this and that.
Gosh, maybe I'm overthinking or have a glitch
(meditation time)
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - zedro - 12-12-2021
(12-12-2021, 08:53 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: What happens when the seeming clear, sharp lines that demarcate STO and STS (for example) as separate things starts to dissolve, and they converge into one? Like two circles in a Venn diagram slowly moving toward overlapping more and more.
Who said it was supposed to be clear? Ignorance will make it seem clear, a progressing student will realize more and more it may not be as the biases are scrutinized, and an adept will eventually experience true clarity, effectively polarizing. You're feelings just demonstrate you are on the path to seeking.
But the clear demarcation line comes down to truly understanding free will and how to/to not infringe on it (negative/positive respectively), it's just that there are no easy/obvious solutions in this current realm/state.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - IndigoSalvia - 12-12-2021
(12-12-2021, 09:32 PM)zedro Wrote: Who said it was supposed to be clear?
Ha! thank you for the gentle reminder, loud and clear, zedro.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - Prometheus - 12-13-2021
Since we are all the Creator, serving the self is just as much to serve the Creator as serving others is serving the Creator.
I don't think STS entities care much for unity. They care only about manipulating others to the benefit of the self. They don't see value in other-selves. Hence why they are forced to abandon the STS path in sixth density to move forward. This path can only take them so far, but it has clearly been deliberately allowed by the Creator, for it to at-least be a viable path for part of the way.
I've spoken to STS entities while in the astral plane. They radiate darkness. One time, when I was surrounded by the darkness radiated by such an entity, it conjured a disembodied head infront of me and started talking to me. I asked it for a name. It said something like, "I am nameless, eternal darkness."
Then it did some kind of weird psychic attack on my neck area to try to cause pain.
Yeah, I guess that's about how it usually goes with them.
RE: STS viable path toward Unity? - jafar - 12-13-2021
STS role is to explore / demonstrate the IS NOT (Separation).
Through the IS NOT , it's opposite the IS can be recognized. (Unity)
When everything is light, nobody will even understand what is light?
With the existence of darkness as it's contrast, only then everyone will understand what is light.
Yet the IS NOT (Separation) is temporary, as it's NOT to begin with.
Prometheus Wrote:I've spoken to STS entities while in the astral plane. They radiate darkness. One time, when I was surrounded by the darkness radiated by such an entity, it conjured a disembodied head infront of me and started talking to me. I asked it for a name. It said something like, "I am nameless, eternal darkness."
Mr Nameless Eternal Darkness, don't worry you're not eternal.
And that's the reason I never asked for name.
Even if they do give name, sometimes it's designed to mislead, one entity even state that he is Jesus.
Yeah right..
Yet through their 'soul / astral body signature' it's easy to recognize which is left and which is right, which is dark and which is light, which is pride and hierarchical and which is humility and egalitarian.