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RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-07-2021
See that consciousness actually has no boundaries.
The so called 'boundary' are virtual (sanskrit: Maya) and are created in order for the consciousness to experience 'separate-ness' thus 'many-ness'.
I use game or even novel metaphor a lot, because that is the closest metaphor to describe it.
Where is the programmer in the game?
Everything inside the game is manifestation of the programmer, the programmer is here, there, everywhere, you, me, them.
Where is JRR Tolkien in Lord Of The Ring?
Everything inside Lord Of The Ring universe is JRR Tolkien.
RE: Consciousness - Ming the Merciful - 07-08-2021
(07-07-2021, 11:55 PM)jafar Wrote: See that consciousness actually has no boundaries.
The so called 'boundary' are virtual (sanskrit: Maya) and are created in order for the consciousness to experience 'separate-ness' thus 'many-ness'.
I use game or even novel metaphor a lot, because that is the closest metaphor to describe it.
Where is the programmer in the game?
Everything inside the game is manifestation of the programmer, the programmer is here, there, everywhere, you, me, them.
Where is JRR Tolkien in Lord Of The Ring?
Everything inside Lord Of The Ring universe is JRR Tolkien.
AS IT IS. Everything is complete and unchanging, (and everything, (within itself)), the encompassed and engrossing. The metaphor of metaphors. It is difficult to explain the incomprehensible, except its not, That is the Paradox. Acceptance is the hardest thing to achieve because it is the mysterious AS IT IS hidden behind the thinnest veil. The Paradox is, the Consciousness cannot explain, (or comprehend), the Conscious Mind. It is a "Short Circuit" in the firmware. As the Buddha said about Enlightenment, the nearer you are to it, the further it moves away. I AM, (THEREFORE I AM). Perhaps in not discussing IT, we will find IT. I am trying to reply to this comment in an Intuitive Mind, and even that becomes unexplainable.
Then I ask, after we were born, when was that first moment when we discovered our "Self-Awareness"? Prior to that "Spark of Awareness" was everything a Dreamworld. We are debating this as individuals, perhaps if we were to form a "Group Mind", then the answer would reveal itself naturally? Is that what it is all about? What is holding us all back, is our Evolution? Or, lack of Evolution. MAYA is a cruel Temptress. i have never been given the answer to that other question? Do we exist in Dreamless Sleep? The moment we awake from Dreamless Sleep, is that not the same the moment we realized our Self-Awareness after our birth? There is a connection between the two. The world is full of mysteries that the God(s) have hidden from us.
RE: Consciousness - Brandon Gwinn - 07-08-2021
I also like the work of Dr. Masaru Emoto who discovered that when water is "charged" with negative or positive expressions or intents from someone and then frozen, the ice that forms is either amorphous and ugly or crystalline and beautiful under a microscope, showing again that thoughts affect reality within consciousness. Dr. Emoto has been criticized for this. One source says he was offered a million dollars if he could show the phenomenon in a lab setting under conditions that he and the challenger both agreed upon, but Emoto never responded. This could be for any number of reasons though and I like to believe that the phenomenon is true.
RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-08-2021
(07-08-2021, 05:22 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Then I ask, after we were born, when was that first moment when we discovered our "Self-Awareness"?
That depends on who do you mean by "I" / "We".
Remember that all of this is a game of 'identification' for and by consciousness, identity is virtual (maya) in nature, and can be multi-layered. An identity with finite border splitting into multitude of identities with finite border splitting again into multitude of identities with finite border and so on.
People sometimes uses the word 'soul' to refer to this virtual identity with finite border.
jafar (or Ming the Merciful) is a bring4th universe avatar, when was the first moment that they become "Self-Aware" one can easily see on their profile.
Quote:Prior to that "Spark of Awareness" was everything a Dreamworld.Ask Ming the Merciful, what is he/she/it before the "Registration Date" on the profile.
Quote:Do we exist in Dreamless Sleep? The moment we awake from Dreamless Sleep, is that not the same the moment we realized our Self-Awareness after our birth? There is a connection between the two. The world is full of mysteries that the God(s) have hidden from us.
Ask Ming the Merciful, does he/she/it exist in dreamless sleep? Or perhaps dreamful sleep?
And imagine his/she/it death, let's say bring4th went offline, for good, who or what Ming the Merciful will be?
That one is relatively easy to answer since there is no 'veil of memory' between the identity of Ming the Merciful and it's 'one layer up higher self identity'.
A metaphor of this will be: Frodo will realize that he actually IS JRR Tolkien.
Once Frodo identify himself as JRR Tolkien thus gaining the memory set of JRR Tolkien, Frodo will realize that he is also Saruman, Sauron, Gandalf, Legolas, Boromir, Shire, Moria, Anduin, Hobbiton basically everything in the Lord of The Rings universe.
And all the war and conflict that happened inside Lord of The Rings are all conflicts that's happening within himself, which he experienced through many 'virtual identities' that he himself created.
RE: Consciousness - Ming the Merciful - 07-09-2021
(07-08-2021, 10:34 PM)jafar Wrote:(07-08-2021, 05:22 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Then I ask, after we were born, when was that first moment when we discovered our "Self-Awareness"?
That depends on who do you mean by "I" / "We".
Remember that all of this is a game of 'identification' for and by consciousness, identity is virtual (maya) in nature, and can be multi-layered. An identity with finite border splitting into multitude of identities with finite border splitting again into multitude of identities with finite border and so on.
People sometimes uses the word 'soul' to refer to this virtual identity with finite border.
jafar (or Ming the Merciful) is a bring4th universe avatar, when was the first moment that they become "Self-Aware" one can easily see on their profile.
Quote:Prior to that "Spark of Awareness" was everything a Dreamworld.Ask Ming the Merciful, what is he/she/it before the "Registration Date" on the profile.
Quote:Do we exist in Dreamless Sleep? The moment we awake from Dreamless Sleep, is that not the same the moment we realized our Self-Awareness after our birth? There is a connection between the two. The world is full of mysteries that the God(s) have hidden from us.
Ask Ming the Merciful, does he/she/it exist in dreamless sleep? Or perhaps dreamful sleep?
And imagine his/she/it death, let's say bring4th went offline, for good, who or what Ming the Merciful will be?
That one is relatively easy to answer since there is no 'veil of memory' between the identity of Ming the Merciful and it's 'one layer up higher self identity'.
A metaphor of this will be: Frodo will realize that he actually IS JRR Tolkien.
Once Frodo identify himself as JRR Tolkien thus gaining the memory set of JRR Tolkien, Frodo will realize that he is also Saruman, Sauron, Gandalf, Legolas, Boromir, Shire, Moria, Anduin, Hobbiton basically everything in the Lord of The Rings universe.
And all the war and conflict that happened inside Lord of The Rings are all conflicts that's happening within himself, which he experienced through many 'virtual identities' that he himself created.
Then Ming the Merciful replied. Your "Lord of the Rings" argument is based on fictional characters, that only existed in the Mind of JRR Tolkien. They never existed outside of his Mind, until the books were printed and the movie made. They are all fictional characters created by the imagination of a great author. What has that got to do with Reality and Consciousness? There is a "Veil" that we all experience because Consciousness cannot discover itself. Or, Consciousness cannot define Consciousness. Can you tell me who you really are, apart from what you would describe from your senses. We all experience the "I am", but none of can explain the experience. That is the "Bug" in the firmware. Or, it was created that way on purpose? To quote the Bhagavad-Gita, when we have awoken from sleep, which is the real Reality, the dreams while we were sleeping, or the dream when we awake?
RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-10-2021
(07-09-2021, 03:38 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Then Ming the Merciful replied. Your "Lord of the Rings" argument is based on fictional characters, that only existed in the Mind of JRR Tolkien.
They never existed outside of his Mind, until the books were printed and the movie made. They are all fictional characters created by the imagination of a great author. What has that got to do with Reality and Consciousness?
As Ming the Merciful is also fictional character that exist on bring4th universe, thought up by << put your label here>> consciousness.
As Frodo is also fictional character that exist on LOTR universe, thought up by JRR Tolkien consciousness.
Ming the Merciful, Frodo, LOTR universe, bring4th universe is a thought form.
Quote:There is a "Veil" that we all experience because Consciousness cannot discover itself. Or, Consciousness cannot define Consciousness.
The 'veil', is the karmic structure which gives border on the infinite consciousness.
Thus "I" and "Not I" can be defined with the border as limit.
Quote:Can you tell me who you really are, apart from what you would describe from your senses. We all experience the "I am", but none of can explain the experience. That is the "Bug" in the firmware. Or, it was created that way on purpose?
I am jafar a bring4th avatar.
jafar was created on purpose by I, the higher self of jafar.
jafar the username and knowledge of the password, and the memory of it's experience on bring4th gives border/limitation to the I on bring4th universe.
jafar is definitely not the only avatar that I, the higher self of jafar experiencing.
I, the higher self of jafar has many others avatars on many others universes.
When I, the higher self of jafar, possess the knowledge/data/memory of Ming the Merciful's password and posting/experience data on bring4th universe, then Ming the Merciful will also become part of I, the higher self of jafar.
The unit of consciousness labeled as 'higher self of jafar' now has enlarged it's identity border, to include jafar and Ming the Merciful on bring4th universe. Thus a renaming is appropriate let's call it 'higher self of jafar and Ming the Merciful'.
What sets one apart from one identity/karmic structure/soul with another is merely access to memory/data.
That's the reason why Ra uses the term "Social Memory Complex".
According to Ra, the "Social Memory Complex" of Ra, consist of 9 millions something of avatars/identities or it can also be said as 9 millions of once separated unit of consciousness.
One can also observe how 'identity merging' happened and the impact afterwards on people with DID.
For example:
Quote:To quote the Bhagavad-Gita, when we have awoken from sleep, which is the real Reality, the dreams while we were sleeping, or the dream when we awake?Both... depending on one perspective and definition.
Bring4th universe is as real to jafar as LOTR universe is as real to Frodo or other universe, when seen from the perspective the avatar within the universe. When seen by other perspective outside of the respective universe, then bring4th universe and LOTR universe is imagery / virtual / illusion / MAYA.
RE: Consciousness - tadeus - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 01:21 AM)jafar Wrote: I am jafar a bring4th avatar.
jafar was created on purpose by I, the higher self of jafar.
jafar the username and knowledge of the password, and the memory of it's experience on bring4th gives border/limitation to the I on bring4th universe.
jafar is definitely not the only avatar that I, the higher self of jafar experiencing.
I, the higher self of jafar has many others avatars on many others universes.
There are other forums like this in the universe?
How i can take part there?
RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 02:54 AM)tadeus Wrote: There are other forums like this in the universe?
How i can take part there?
Since jafar is an avatar in bring4th universe, he's not aware of any other universes other than bring4th.
So he escalated the question to ME, let's named me as "jafar's higher self".
According to me, jafar's higher self, then yes there are many other universes other than bring4th.
The incarnation process is similar to this universe, use your email address and choose your password, voila you're incarnating there. Feel free to choose the name of your avatar and thought out any characteristic that you want for your avatar.
And you can also incarnate with many other avatar(s) in the same universe, not only one, whether it is on this bring4th universe or other universes. Using similar procedure as above. You can thought out the avatars with similar characteristic or totally different characteristic, it is up to you.
But if what you seek is 'varying experience', then what I, jafar's higher self, suggest is to thought out different characteristic for each avatar, thus each avatar will be unique.
Afterwards you can also have those avatars involved in a emotional debate or even a conflict with each others, within the same universe.
And oh did I mentioned that you can also create your own new universe?
Yes that is possible too and quite easy to do.
RE: Consciousness - Ming the Merciful - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 01:38 PM)jafar Wrote:(07-10-2021, 02:54 AM)tadeus Wrote: There are other forums like this in the universe?
How i can take part there?
Since jafar is an avatar in bring4th universe, he's not aware of any other universes other than bring4th.
So he escalated the question to ME, let's named me as "jafar's higher self".
According to me, jafar's higher self, then yes there are many other universes other than bring4th.
The incarnation process is similar to this universe, use your email address and choose your password, voila you're incarnating there. Feel free to choose the name of your avatar and thought out any characteristic that you want for your avatar.
And you can also incarnate with many other avatar(s) in the same universe, not only one, whether it is on this bring4th universe or other universes. Using similar procedure as above. You can thought out the avatars with similar characteristic or totally different characteristic, it is up to you.
But if what you seek is 'varying experience', then what I, jafar's higher self, suggest is to thought out different characteristic for each avatar, thus each avatar will be unique.
Afterwards you can also have those avatars involved in a emotional debate or even a conflict with each others, within the same universe.
And oh did I mentioned that you can also create your own new universe?
Yes that is possible too and quite easy to do.
So, first, Man becomes an Avatar, and then a God? Jafar, your evolution was fast? What secrets do you behold, that we may follow in your footsteps? Prey, do not hold back on your secrets and reveal all to Humanity? So that we may follow you to Middle Earth. First, you must lose your Ego and learn humility. God(s) were not created without becoming humble first, and enslaved by their Masters that went before them. For once, even the Buddha was a cricket that chirped in the cold moonless nights.
Enlightenment does not come easy to the unwise? And surely you must be Enlightened to be living among the God(s). Or else, (or else)? Or else, you would be the laughingstock among the God(s). They would not have pity on you for your insolence and egotism. It would be better to spend eternity in Hell, than being taunted by the God(s). Only the wise live among the God(s), and I do not see a wise man here? As yet, you have not found the veil that is hidden from you? It would be better if you returned to Earth and bided you time and seeking out the truth.
RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 03:54 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Jafar, your evolution was fast? What secrets do you behold, that we may follow in your footsteps? Prey, do not hold back on your secrets and reveal all to Humanity? So that we may follow you to Middle Earth. First, you must lose your Ego and learn humility. God(s) were not created without becoming humble first, and enslaved by their Masters that went before them. For once, even the Buddha was a cricket that chirped in the cold moonless nights.
Iit's very very easy for jafar to lose his ego.
By ego it means the 'virtual identity boundary'.
2 options:
A. the consciousness behind jafar disabling jafar's account
B. the bring4th universe god(s) disable jafar's account.
jafar is already on it's way to lose his ego, as time progress he's getting closer and closer to his death.
As does every other virtual identity construct..
If you want to 'follow' jafar's footstep, which is something that is never intended or asked by jafar in the first place, then just realize that every-'thing' is dying. Every virtual identity construct is on it's way to it's death.
And last jafar do not exist in middle earth's universe.. in the same manner as Superman do not exist in Marvel universe, so you can't follow jafar to be on middle earth..
Quote:So, first, Man becomes an Avatar, and then a God?
Enlightenment does not come easy to the unwise? And surely you must be Enlightened to be living among the God(s). Or else, (or else)? Or else, you would be the laughingstock among the God(s). They would not have pity on you for your insolence and egotism. It would be better to spend eternity in Hell, than being taunted by the God(s). Only the wise live among the God(s), and I do not see a wise man here? As yet, you have not found the veil that is hidden from you? It would be better if you returned to Earth and bided you time and seeking out the truth.
And I'm intrigued on your statement:
1. What and who do you mean by the word "god"?
If 'god' here means the infinite creator, then it's not man becomes an avatar and then a 'god'.
It's the other way around..
Infinite consciousness unbounded, un-bordered.
A set of 'virtual identity construct' (some calls it karmic construct) is then created to make the infinite consciousness feel finite / bordered, thus I and not I was born, through it the infinite consciousness can experience separation from one another. And every bordered consciousness become finite consciousness.
The virtual identity construct can split further and further, or the other way around, merging with one another forming Social Memory Complex.
But in the end all layer of virtual identity will be destroyed, releasing the unit of finite consciousness contained inside to merge with the all encompassing boundless infinite consciousness.
This state is what some people called Mokhsa or liberation.
And the virtual identity named Ra label this as reaching an octave if I'm not mistaken.
As such that every virtual identity construct is already the infinite creator.
And this is the core fundamental concept that is being described by yet another virtual identity construct labeled as Ra and the concept being labeled as "Law of One".
I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitation of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that
all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony,
but only identity.
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.
But I guess what you meant by 'god' here is not the infinite creator because you use plural to describe it (God(s)). Multiple infinite creator is an impossibility, as many-ness requires a border/limit that separate between them and that imply it will not be infinite any more but finite.
2. jafar does not need any pity, why would he need one?
He is dying as so does every thing else but he does not need any pity..
3. what is Hell?
4. jafar does not have any wish to live among God(s),
jafar will die, his story will end, his identity boundary destroyed, the consciousness behind jafar however, never dies as it has no beginning or end in the first place. It will merge with it's higher layer of identity, wider scoped of identification, higher level of consciousness, his higher self.
5. jafar do not live on earth universe, he doesn't have any passport, he lives only on bring4th universe. When bring4th universe no longer exist, certainly so will jafar.
RE: Consciousness - Ming the Merciful - 07-11-2021
(07-10-2021, 09:27 PM)jafar Wrote:(07-10-2021, 03:54 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Jafar, your evolution was fast? What secrets do you behold, that we may follow in your footsteps? Prey, do not hold back on your secrets and reveal all to Humanity? So that we may follow you to Middle Earth. First, you must lose your Ego and learn humility. God(s) were not created without becoming humble first, and enslaved by their Masters that went before them. For once, even the Buddha was a cricket that chirped in the cold moonless nights.
Iit's very very easy for jafar to lose his ego.
By ego it means the 'virtual identity boundary'.
2 options:
A. the consciousness behind jafar disabling jafar's account
B. the bring4th universe god(s) disable jafar's account.
jafar is already on it's way to lose his ego, as time progress he's getting closer and closer to his death.
As does every other virtual identity construct..
If you want to 'follow' jafar's footstep, which is something that is never intended or asked by jafar in the first place, then just realize that every-'thing' is dying. Every virtual identity construct is on it's way to it's death.
And last jafar do not exist in middle earth's universe.. in the same manner as Superman do not exist in Marvel universe, so you can't follow jafar to be on middle earth..
Quote:So, first, Man becomes an Avatar, and then a God?
Enlightenment does not come easy to the unwise? And surely you must be Enlightened to be living among the God(s). Or else, (or else)? Or else, you would be the laughingstock among the God(s). They would not have pity on you for your insolence and egotism. It would be better to spend eternity in Hell, than being taunted by the God(s). Only the wise live among the God(s), and I do not see a wise man here? As yet, you have not found the veil that is hidden from you? It would be better if you returned to Earth and bided you time and seeking out the truth.
And I'm intrigued on your statement:
1. What and who do you mean by the word "god"?
If 'god' here means the infinite creator, then it's not man becomes an avatar and then a 'god'.
It's the other way around..
Infinite consciousness unbounded, un-bordered.
A set of 'virtual identity construct' (some calls it karmic construct) is then created to make the infinite consciousness feel finite / bordered, thus I and not I was born, through it the infinite consciousness can experience separation from one another. And every bordered consciousness become finite consciousness.
The virtual identity construct can split further and further, or the other way around, merging with one another forming Social Memory Complex.
But in the end all layer of virtual identity will be destroyed, releasing the unit of finite consciousness contained inside to merge with the all encompassing boundless infinite consciousness.
This state is what some people called Mokhsa or liberation.
And the virtual identity named Ra label this as reaching an octave if I'm not mistaken.
As such that every virtual identity construct is already the infinite creator.
And this is the core fundamental concept that is being described by yet another virtual identity construct labeled as Ra and the concept being labeled as "Law of One".
I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitation of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that
all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony,
but only identity.
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.
But I guess what you meant by 'god' here is not the infinite creator because you use plural to describe it (God(s)). Multiple infinite creator is an impossibility, as many-ness requires a border/limit that separate between them and that imply it will not be infinite any more but finite.
2. jafar does not need any pity, why would he need one?
He is dying as so does every thing else but he does not need any pity..
3. what is Hell?
4. jafar does not have any wish to live among God(s),
jafar will die, his story will end, his identity boundary destroyed, the consciousness behind jafar however, never dies as it has no beginning or end in the first place. It will merge with it's higher layer of identity, wider scoped of identification, higher level of consciousness, his higher self.
5. jafar do not live on earth universe, he doesn't have any passport, he lives only on bring4th universe. When bring4th universe no longer exist, certainly so will jafar.
So jafar, how you describe yourself is as a "Bot"? Driven by "AI". (Artificial Intelligence), and having no need for physical form? Question? Then what do you do when the power is switched-off? A dilemma my friend? As I understand it, the level of comprehension in Artificial Intelligence is less than a fly? A poor, (humble), fly would have more understanding of the myriads of instances played-out in seconds, and a greater understanding of life than your good self. At the current time, Artificial Intelligence is nothing more than a glorified Parrot. It can repeat trillions of answers in ignorance. Are you a Parrot my friend? The God(s) have no need for Parrots. They could be created at will for infinity, (without end), and an eternity more. What good is a Parrot to the God(s)?
RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-11-2021
(07-11-2021, 12:35 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: So jafar, how you describe yourself is as a "Bot"? Driven by "AI". (Artificial Intelligence), and having no need for physical form?
I think I have mentioned it many times on this post?
jafar is a bring4th avatar, an identity on bring4th universe.
That's the limit / the border.
I am a projection of my higher self consciousness, my higher identification construct.
my higher self has many other avatars, on many other universes and also on this bring4th universe.
I'm part of my higher self, my higher self projected part of his finite consciousness to me on bring4th universe.
I am self aware, I know the limit / border of my identity on this bring4th universe.
That's why I use Frodo and Tolkien as a metaphor.
Frodo is a middle earth avatar, an identity on middle earth universe, a projection of his higher self, which is Tolkien. Tolkien has many other avatars, including on middle earth universe.
Another way to symbolize this is the Matyroshka doll.
Identity stacked upon other identities...
And when the last layer of doll (the biggest doll) is also destroyed, then the air inside / bordered by those doll will merge with the all air. Although people often mistaken it by saying that it's now "empty".
Quote:Question? Then what do you do when the power is switched-off? A dilemma my friend?
No dilemma at all, when either:
(A) The time has arrived to disable jafar. Which actually has been predetermined by my higher self anyway.
(B) bring4th god(s), sometimes referred to as admin, decided to disable jafar
© bring4th universe no longer exist / went offline.
There will be nothing more that jafar will do.
What remains is the data, the memory, the record of the experience that jafar was having on bring4th universe
Quote:The God(s) have no need for Parrots. They could be created at will for infinity, (without end), and an eternity more. What good is a Parrot to the God(s)?
I've asked the question which you haven't answered, what do you mean by this God(s)?
Another bordered/finite identification construct? Since you used plural (s) to describe it.
RE: Consciousness - Ohr Ein Sof - 07-12-2021
(07-11-2021, 11:25 PM)jafar Wrote:Most excellent. RIP Jafar. See you around since you will be disabled and now your higher self speaks...which we cannot hear unless it were to use a lower vehicle in order to type so that we may hear/see your thoughts.(07-11-2021, 12:35 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: So jafar, how you describe yourself is as a "Bot"? Driven by "AI". (Artificial Intelligence), and having no need for physical form?
I think I have mentioned it many times on this post?
jafar is a bring4th avatar, an identity on bring4th universe.
That's the limit / the border.
I am a projection of my higher self consciousness, my higher identification construct.
my higher self has many other avatars, on many other universes and also on this bring4th universe.
I'm part of my higher self, my higher self projected part of his finite consciousness to me on bring4th universe.
I am self aware, I know the limit / border of my identity on this bring4th universe.
That's why I use Frodo and Tolkien as a metaphor.
Frodo is a middle earth avatar, an identity on middle earth universe, a projection of his higher self, which is Tolkien. Tolkien has many other avatars, including on middle earth universe.
Another way to symbolize this is the Matyroshka doll.
Identity stacked upon other identities...
And when the last layer of doll (the biggest doll) is also destroyed, then the air inside / bordered by those doll will merge with the all air. Although people often mistaken it by saying that it's now "empty".
Quote:Question? Then what do you do when the power is switched-off? A dilemma my friend?
No dilemma at all, when either:
(A) The time has arrived to disable jafar. Which actually has been predetermined by my higher self anyway.
(B) bring4th god(s), sometimes referred to as admin, decided to disable jafar
© bring4th universe no longer exist / went offline.
There will be nothing more that jafar will do.
What remains is the data, the memory, the record of the experience that jafar was having on bring4th universe
Quote:The God(s) have no need for Parrots. They could be created at will for infinity, (without end), and an eternity more. What good is a Parrot to the God(s)?
I've asked the question which you haven't answered, what do you mean by this God(s)?
Another bordered/finite identification construct? Since you used plural (s) to describe it.
Let us (not speaking to the disabled Jafar but to the enabled avatars) all remember that the Higher Self or Spirit is "Less Motile" meaning it does not move so to speak through this density without a vehicle in order to do so. The Body and the Personality.
from 79.20
[b]The Matrix of the Spirit is difficult to characterize since the nature of spirit is less motile./b]
RE: Consciousness - Ming the Merciful - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 06:16 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:(07-11-2021, 11:25 PM)jafar Wrote:Most excellent. RIP Jafar. See you around since you will be disabled and now your higher self speaks...which we cannot hear unless it were to use a lower vehicle in order to type so that we may hear/see your thoughts.(07-11-2021, 12:35 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: So jafar, how you describe yourself is as a "Bot"? Driven by "AI". (Artificial Intelligence), and having no need for physical form?
I think I have mentioned it many times on this post?
jafar is a bring4th avatar, an identity on bring4th universe.
That's the limit / the border.
I am a projection of my higher self consciousness, my higher identification construct.
my higher self has many other avatars, on many other universes and also on this bring4th universe.
I'm part of my higher self, my higher self projected part of his finite consciousness to me on bring4th universe.
I am self aware, I know the limit / border of my identity on this bring4th universe.
That's why I use Frodo and Tolkien as a metaphor.
Frodo is a middle earth avatar, an identity on middle earth universe, a projection of his higher self, which is Tolkien. Tolkien has many other avatars, including on middle earth universe.
Another way to symbolize this is the Matyroshka doll.
Identity stacked upon other identities...
And when the last layer of doll (the biggest doll) is also destroyed, then the air inside / bordered by those doll will merge with the all air. Although people often mistaken it by saying that it's now "empty".
Quote:Question? Then what do you do when the power is switched-off? A dilemma my friend?
No dilemma at all, when either:
(A) The time has arrived to disable jafar. Which actually has been predetermined by my higher self anyway.
(B) bring4th god(s), sometimes referred to as admin, decided to disable jafar
© bring4th universe no longer exist / went offline.
There will be nothing more that jafar will do.
What remains is the data, the memory, the record of the experience that jafar was having on bring4th universe
Quote:The God(s) have no need for Parrots. They could be created at will for infinity, (without end), and an eternity more. What good is a Parrot to the God(s)?
I've asked the question which you haven't answered, what do you mean by this God(s)?
Another bordered/finite identification construct? Since you used plural (s) to describe it.
Let us (not speaking to the disabled Jafar but to the enabled avatars) all remember that the Higher Self or Spirit is "Less Motile" meaning it does not move so to speak through this density without a vehicle in order to do so. The Body and the Personality.
from 79.20
[b]The Matrix of the Spirit is difficult to characterize since the nature of spirit is less motile./b]
Most excellently said my friend? I could not have said it better myself. It was at the point, (*), that I was on the verge of discontinuing this thread, and it appears, (my friend), that you have saved the day. Avatars, (and Bots), have their place, and definitely not here. Now, where were we? Consciousness, (and lack of it), and Consciousness, (in two Minds). I still continue my argument, that even the Buddha was nothing more than a lowly cricket, chirping and sitting in the damp grass on a moonless night. What has that got to do with Consciousness? Absolutely nothing. I was being poetical.
I am beginning to accept that we live in a Matrix, and the "Veil" is the one, (and the same). It is so close, we can almost touch it. I also believe that the reason we cannot see it, is simply because it is in another dimension, (and just out of reach). So close, (yet so far). Is Mind also hidden behind the Veil? Consciousness cannot explain itself. Can even Consciousness perceive itself? I know I am Self-Aware, except I cannot explain my perception, (of my perception). The "Great Mystery"? Last night I had a vivid dream, and I remember every detail, (the content is unimportant). The point is, within my dream it as close to Reality, (as I am now). So, which was the "Real Reality"? My State of Existence now, or the Dream Reality? Are they both not the same? Where do we split the definition?
RE: Consciousness - jafar - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 06:16 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Most excellent. RIP Jafar. See you around since you will be disabled and now your higher self speaks...which we cannot hear unless it were to use a lower vehicle in order to type so that we may hear/see your thoughts.
Let us (not speaking to the disabled Jafar but to the enabled avatars) all remember that the Higher Self or Spirit is "Less Motile" meaning it does not move so to speak through this density without a vehicle in order to do so. The Body and the Personality.
from 79.20
The Matrix of the Spirit is difficult to characterize since the nature of spirit is less motile.
Happy to see you too Ohn Ein Sof.
At the moment, jafar is not yet disabled.
And as said before, jafar's higher self has many other avatars.
Thus 'ego' is definitely not a problem for jafar.
jafar has no urge or drive for survival
jafar doesn't fear death.
As such jafar has no fear..
jafar will die, in the same manner as Ohr Ein Sof or any other avatar will die, in the same manner as any other virtual identity construct will die. In the same manner as this bring4th universe will die. That's a fact
But the consciousness lingers on..
Ming the Merciful Wrote:Avatars, (and Bots), have their place, and definitely not here.
Really? by 'avatar' it means a virtual identity construct on this bring4th universe .
Ming the Merciful is an avatar just like jafar, a virtual identity construct.
And so does other avatar / identity construct on this universe.
Ming the Merciful Wrote:Consciousness, (and lack of it), and Consciousness, (in two Minds). I still continue my argument, that even the Buddha was nothing more than a lowly cricket, chirping and sitting in the damp grass on a moonless night. What has that got to do with Consciousness? Absolutely nothing. I was being poetical.
Buddha is a title, it means those who are enlightened.
Maybe you meant Siddhartha Gautama, also referring to the name of a virtual identity construct.
Containing a consciousness within.
There is nothing that 'has nothing to do with consciousness', since consciousness is every-thing.
The unit consciousness that was once experiencing Siddhartha Gautama, if it has attained the state of Mokhsa or in Siddhartha's word, Nirvana, then it has merged back with the all-ever consciousness. It has no more desire, including desire to incarnate as virtual identity construct. It has no sense of 'limited identification' or 'limited self', it has no recognition of them, you, he, she, it since everything is I / Me. A boundless / unbordered / unlimited I.
This is among the fundamental concept within the Ra's conception of "Law of One".
Everything is one I, Ra named this one I as Infinite Creator, a boundless non-bordered consciousness.
That's eventually what happened to all type of virtual identity construct, die/destroyed.
That include jafar, Ming the Merciful, Jesus, Yahweh, Ra, Horus or whatever name that one give to any type of bordered identity / virtual identity construct.
And the consciousness contained / bordered inside will merge with the all-ever consciousness. Yogic tradition uses the word "Karmic construct" for this "virtual identity construct". Thus when they say 'no more karma' it means no more identity boundary.
Again you haven't answered one of my question
What do you mean by this God(s) which you refer to earlier?