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RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 07-15-2021 (07-14-2021, 01:24 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: The other mistake that people make, is to put Spirituality onto a pedestal. As if it was some greater higher force, and something that cannot be achieved. Spirituality and Physicality are the same thing, except on different levels of vibration. We set ourselves goals, and a point which we want to achieve, (and therefore I become Enlightened). Or, a sudden Spiritual discovery or understanding becomes a milestone, and is seen as a great achievement. It can also be a downfall, because it can be a point where we stop investigating further and deeper. It is the same with Meditation. We develop unhealthy habits and expectations that a specific goal must be overcome, and deeper Meditations. The purpose of Meditation is to find Inner Stillness and reach the Higher Consciousness. It then becomes repetitive and a sameness, and the original goal at the beginning has become lost in the analytical theories we create to explain what is happening, (or not happening). The best way to overcome this, is to vary the forms of Meditation we use. I use the Still Mind technique, and I am happy with that. Other people prefer Mantras, and my advice for that, is the vary the Mantras, so that it does not become repetitive. Accept your Physicality. It is you. You will never overcome your Physicality by denying it. When you are rejecting your Physicality. in an indirect sense, you are also denying yourself. The complete person is both Physical and Spiritual, and we must create a balance between the two aspects of ourselves. Before i wake up i was not spiritual at all and today it is not easy for me to define the state of meditating. It is difficult for me to have "strictly" meditation or to do it in a regular way, although i know more discipline would help me. So it is always more a spontaneous work mostly walking in the nature. There is a big intuition that let me visit and walk to places that help me to get into contact with the earth / gaia / group consciousness. In addition to this there is the existance of the observer, that i have described in different posts, pointing out the different layers of existance and angles of view (like the time). This observer can be helpful to distinct between thinking, feeling and willing. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 07-18-2021 Last night i could not sleep for a long time and there was a thought that comes near again to the beginning theme of this thread. Maybe another approach can clarify the basic thought. In time/space we are writing (together with our helpers) our life script with all the milestones planned for our spiritual and individual progress and experience. This film script is optimized for our individual deficits and spiritual enlightening, that should lead to the fundamental choice. But when the incarnation begins, you will find yourself in an environment, where other film scripts take over your complete life. The script of education, school, career, family, live-style, bourgeoisie, military and so on. There are so many foreign scripts that there is no room for your own script. So you are captured and not able to care about your own life script. At the end you will résumé after your incarnation that you where simply distracted from your life plan and have to try it again and again ... Life and spirituality have not been integrated, you did not realize in your lifetime that you always have followed a foreign film script. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - EvolvingPhoenix - 07-19-2021 The issue is not hard to understand. One side wants to control and censor CRITICAL information and open discussion in order to keep things in line with THEIR dogmatic view of what constitutes "positivity", backed by people who want to stick their head in the sand. The other wants the censorship to cease and for there to be transparency and a singular, equal set of standards. It's a pro-censorship vs. anti-censorship thing. It is not some sort of misunderstanding. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 07-22-2021 (07-19-2021, 09:36 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: The issue is not hard to understand. With the focus on censorship i will agree. THEIR dogmatic is making informations to be CRITICAL. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-18-2021 Today i read this new Transcript, only 2 month old, and i am estonished that Q'uo is talking about the Matrix. June 23, 2021, Intermediate Channeling Circle Quote:Q’uo: We are those of Q'uo, and we appreciate this query for it offers us a substantially wide field to speak to the many tangled distortions and misunderstandings which are so prevalent, indeed, woven into the fabric of your society and your individual identities. To examine this question, which ultimately is the work of the individual upon their path, is to make visible some of the walls of what in your popular culture is known as the matrix. This is not the matrix of the archetypal mind, but that which is connected to your movie and the metaphors therein. Indeed, your peoples, in variously mixed desires, often at the center of which is the desire to control, do indeed create these impositional structures which force or lock your fellow other selves into desired or limited behavior. This can be seen at various levels of your society, from schoolrooms to governments to workplaces. There is great value in collective agreements, boundaries, rules, and codes of conduct, as it were. But there is often a tendency toward the limitations of the full exploration of selfhood, the full manifestation of the uniqueness of selfhood, and the full exploration of the relationship between self-and-other and self-and-society. This is directly relating to the The Matrix Trilogy. Understanding The Matrix Trilogy Later on Q'uo speaks about the same things again, with similar thoughts i did have in the last time. Quote:Q’uo: I am Q'uo, and I am aware of the query my brother. Indeed, from our perspective, we witness upon your planet a collective catalyst experienced with great vividness in recent, what you call, times. And in our perception, we find that this catalyst, correlating to the query you have offered is indeed somewhat designed to test these dynamics and apply a certain type of pressure to each individual and to the global collective as you experience it. There is a difficulty in addressing such a query in a clear sense due to the great variety of perceptions as they relate to the specific collective catalyst that you all have experienced. And so, we must speak, both to the effects of such a varied collective perception, as well as to the more general dynamic expressed within your query. Specially this is in resonance with my observations and feelings: Quote:Gary: That was illuminating. Thank you, Q'uo. I've got another spontaneous one. In a similar vein, Ra described that the impact of the increasing fourth-density light was such that, for some entities, instead of moving upward into greater collective and green-ray considerations, they experienced something of a regression or reversion, in my paraphrase. That is, they reverted to considerations of self and the orange ray. Ra added that there are many upon our plane in this state at that time. [3] RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - flofrog - 08-18-2021 Thank you so much tadeus. Quote:Stay centered within the heart, I see the energy here, even as there is such strong debate, and because the debate is so strong, an indication how desired indeed is the internal desire to find common ground in the end. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-19-2021 (08-18-2021, 08:57 PM)flofrog Wrote: Thank you so much tadeus. Thank you flofrog. This informations and facts are really painful to understand, but with this knowledge the fiction cannot exist any more. The people are compelled to think about what they are and why they are here. This will lead them back to their life plan. We have been massively distracted and distorted in the last hundreds of years to avoid this transformation into the 4th density of love. To suppress to realize that we are all one. To play off all the different folks / races on this planet against each other, to avoid that they can profit from their different views and attributes. To administrate all the beings effective in different countries and states like cows in different meadows. To disturb the natural evolution and transformation of the mind. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-19-2021 This Altitudes of Development maybe helpful to illustrate the wake-up process. Of course the colours are not correlating with the energy centers. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Ohr Ein Sof - 08-19-2021 (06-21-2021, 10:06 AM)tadeus Wrote:(06-21-2021, 10:00 AM)Patrick Wrote: Personally, I like to change my mind often. So if we put people into groups then we are not allowing that the person can change their mind and so their grouping from one moment to another. "But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups. People and states are more isolated against each other and the fear to do something wrong is increasing." Well, nothing would be easier to control than to split people into two camps, dividing one against the other. This is what could be seen happening in the world today. The lower manifestation of togetherness called tribalism. The higher manifestation would be unity that recognizes differences but accepts the difference and is always trying to bring the unbalanced back into balance. Truthfully, unity does not exist without two opposing sides. The opposition is quite natural and so is the balance. What is not natural is to form camps and keep people, ideas and so forth stationed on one side or the other. This goes against universal principles and therefore it goes against the progress of the natural man to the spiritual man. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-19-2021 (08-19-2021, 07:42 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: "But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups. Hopefully this splitting will be a catalyst for the insight that we are all one and this splitting is only an enactment. By all means it will empower tribalism and the cohesion of clan / family. But first we must overcome the zenith of fear that will come with the coming reduction of the people ... RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Ohr Ein Sof - 08-19-2021 (08-19-2021, 01:50 PM)tadeus Wrote:IMO, tribalism is not a desired outcome. Individualism is the desired outcome and creating union between individuals. When we speak about tribes we are not speaking about a collective as that is something else entirely.(08-19-2021, 07:42 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: "But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-20-2021 (08-19-2021, 05:03 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: IMO, tribalism is not a desired outcome. Individualism is the desired outcome and creating union between individuals. When we speak about tribes we are not speaking about a collective as that is something else entirely. Can you explain this more in detail please? Quote:Social Memory Complex – When a collection of related entities, called https://www.lawofone.info/s/11#17 Wrote:11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory? Hmm - at this time i cannot find a useful definition from Ra about something like a mind/body/spirit social complex ... RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - jafar - 08-20-2021 Quote:(08-20-2021, 07:38 AM)tadeus Wrote:(08-19-2021, 05:03 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: IMO, tribalism is not a desired outcome. Individualism is the desired outcome and creating union between individuals. When we speak about tribes we are not speaking about a collective as that is something else entirely. Hmmm.. I understood this in the context of "Multiple Personas realizing that it's actually one individual". As for example.. personas within a person with Multiple Personality Disorder merging with each others, gaining access to each other's memory and realize that it's actually one individual. And it rings well with Ra's definition quoted below. As an identity / individual known as Ra by itself is the result of merging of about 9 millions personas. Quote:Social Memory Complex – When a collection of related entities, called https://www.lawofone.info/s/11#17 Wrote:11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory? Ra uses the metaphor of a tree while others uses the metaphor of river. It's used to describe the 'branching' of one to become 'many' and the 'merging' of many back to become one. Just like branches of tree originated from the same root / trunk or in reverse, branches of creeks and rivers will eventually merged into one large bodies of water called sea. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-21-2021 (08-20-2021, 09:18 AM)jafar Wrote: Hmmm.. I understood this in the context of "Multiple Personas realizing that it's actually one individual". When someone has a Multiple Personality Disorder this multiple persons exist without knowing each other as far i know. (08-20-2021, 09:18 AM)jafar Wrote: Ra uses the metaphor of a tree while others uses the metaphor of river. Yes - this will make sense. But we have talked about different type of groups an individual can be part of. All this different groups exist simultaneously, like a clan, folk / tribalism, human being. So this can be seen as a zoom level within the fractal being of the one creator. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Ohr Ein Sof - 08-21-2021 (08-21-2021, 05:31 AM)tadeus Wrote:Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made.(08-20-2021, 09:18 AM)jafar Wrote: Hmmm.. I understood this in the context of "Multiple Personas realizing that it's actually one individual". Number one, a "human being" is not a tribe. It is one homo sapien. The modern world has left tribalism behind. I say the modern world and not those that are still living in the bush or on isolated islands and so forth. Tribalism: With a negative connotation and in a political context, tribalism can also mean discriminatory behavior or attitudes towards out-groups, based on in-group loyalty. In-group loyalty. Meaning, that another group is on the outside of that particular tribe. We are speaking of tribes just like we would look at ancient man as hunter-gatherer groups and this is exactly what I am referring to as tribalism. Where anything outside of this tribe sybolizes an outsider. A collective or a social memory complex is just as Jafar has said and as Ra stated it. It is a collection of "individuals" seeking together and what links them is the very thing they seek while remaining an individual or uniquely itself. Collective Consciousness: is the set of shared beliefs, ideas, and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society Modern society is a collection of individuals. Sure, we have families but we leave these families to forge our own way while staying in touch with our families. This is far from tribalism. Tribalism stays exclusively within the tribe and is loyal to only that particular tribe. We, together, yet individual are leaving the ways of being a hunter-gatherer type people, I hope. A collective would invite others to become a part of the collective where the tribe would protect the integrity of the tribe and be suspicious of a newcomer. Togetherness is a higher expression of tribalism because the individual decides to be a part of or to join the force that unifies. The individual does not join the collective but it links up with the force that draw the others together while still remaining purely the self realized individual. All one would have to do is to read on the differences between being a member of a tribe and the behavior associated with that or connecting to a unifying force that allows the individual to remain uniquely itself while seeking a unifying force. Though you study the Ra Material and seek with the rest of us, you still remain Tadeus and move through this creation as this avatar so to speak. You do not enforce rules and regulate the thinking of others to bend their ideas more toward the tribe. No. You allow others to think and be as they wish while each seeks the Creator together. One bends free will the other allows the full expression of free will. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-22-2021 (08-21-2021, 07:22 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made. Sounds like a discussion about political correctness and not about the meaning of a group complex or mind/body/spirit social complex. (08-21-2021, 07:22 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Collective Consciousness: is the set of shared beliefs, ideas, and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society Yes - maybe Collective Consciousness is a more neutral term. But then you have simply replaced all this words with a modified meaning, that should describe only different groups / collocation of individuals, with the word collective. This leads to the question why the meaning of words like tribalism or tribe has been demonized? In my eyes there is only the reason to suppress this natural coherence of individuals and replace it with a government friendly collective like states and districts. Why - because this natural coherence is very strong, specially in clans / families. But for the unintential slavery you need separated individuals. The post before should only focus on the understanding, that each individual is at the same time part of different groups / complexes that represents a different mind. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Ohr Ein Sof - 08-22-2021 (08-22-2021, 06:06 AM)tadeus Wrote:(08-21-2021, 07:22 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made. Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society. According to me and my personal understanding I see that many tribesman have fought others and have warred over the millenia. They move in tandum with one another and not that any of this is wrong or bad but it is the old way. We are to be third density which means self realized or individualized self and leave the so called tribe. This can be demonstrated when we leave home. This does not mean we do not go on to create families of our own but even when we do, our children leave us to go find themselves within the world. So possibly there could be something that is so closely related it could be seen as a nuance. Or it may be seen as a semantic. This is why I say for each to consider the likenesses and differences of these ideas while exploring what it means to be self-realized and individuated. I think social memory complexes for the "most" part come later in our development not that there are not some here already but as a whole ppl. We are to first realize the self and then as it relates to others. I think this is how the material reads. Anyway, this is my best. I have to prepare for a trip. Thanks Tadeus. It is always great to exchange with you. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - unity100 - 08-22-2021 (06-21-2021, 10:59 AM)Patrick Wrote: For example, many people are studying the increasing polarization within the USA. It's not just in the USA, but it's very visible there at the moment. Its mostly US. A result of unchecked economic/wealth inequality coupled with the immense liberty of reactionary, dogmatic social groups in organizing and propagating themselves. There are such segments in other countries, but their numbers generally reach at most ~10% of voter base. And a lot of their talking points come from far-right segments in US. There are a few countries where they can effect a controlling share of the vote, but those countries have generally FPTP voting system. Im not counting in reactionary societies like Saudi Arabia, of course. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-22-2021 (08-22-2021, 05:56 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society. The meaning of words has been defaced to use language against us. As example you maybe have noticed that i don't like to use the word 'family', because the source is the word familia. Quote:Etymology So this is part of the unintential slavery. Everyone who uses this word 'family' is a self designated slave. The true meaning of tribes and clans is the historical correct word describing a certain group of individuals / people. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tribe Wrote:(anthropology) A society larger than a band but smaller than a state. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Clan Wrote:Synonyms: Dynastie, Sippe => That's all - not more. ![]() RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-22-2021 (08-22-2021, 06:42 PM)unity100 Wrote: ts mostly US. A result of unchecked economic/wealth inequality coupled with the immense liberty of reactionary, dogmatic social groups in organizing and propagating themselves. It's not easy to say if the polarization is bigger in America. But you should be aware the commercial three columns of this world: * Power / might: City of London * Military Executive: USA * Religion / faith: Vatican At this time the military executive is shifting to China when observed correct. So the USA has done it's role and the Great Reset can start. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-29-2021 (08-22-2021, 05:56 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society. I read the following transcript and must think at this thread, explaining the tree-of-mind regarding a group mind. It shows the meaning of different groups in third density. https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2021/2021_0707.aspx Wrote:Q'uo: RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - unity100 - 08-29-2021 (08-22-2021, 09:28 PM)tadeus Wrote:(08-22-2021, 06:42 PM)unity100 Wrote: ts mostly US. A result of unchecked economic/wealth inequality coupled with the immense liberty of reactionary, dogmatic social groups in organizing and propagating themselves. It is easy to say that negative polarization is bigger in US - at least for the social system and those who propagate that social system: London: UK still has a lot of social programs and free healthcare that protects people from being left to die if they cant pay for something. Even if the existing conservative government is trying to privatize everything and make it like US as fast as they can. Whereas In US, police confiscates the tents of homeless people and drives them outside the city in the winter. To freeze. If you cant pay the hospital, you die. It doesnt get any more negative than that... Well... It does get more negative than that, but as far as this planet and this particular society goes, its as negative as we have. Vatican: Not even relevant, just a religion. And there is a Liberation Theologist as the pope right now, so its as positive as it gets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology Liberation theology follows the example of actual man, Jesus. China: Its just a country. Its military being stronger does not make it positive or negative. ... Determining the positive/negative alignment of systems, cultures and people is not so very difficult. Some simple pointers give it away: - Are poor, downtrodden, needy helped, protected, or are they reviled and persecuted - Is there equality in the society in which everyone is treated as human beings, or is there a class-based social structure in which some are 'elites' and the rest are 'less worthy', based on whatever value metric (nobility, wealth etc) - How selfish or selfless are the people in the society Its not so very different than how you determine the nature of friends, relatives, people around you, really... RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-30-2021 (08-29-2021, 09:27 PM)unity100 Wrote: It is easy to say that negative polarization is bigger in US - at least for the social system and those who propagate that social system: Everything is only a different flavour of the same basic installation. After the Great Reset everything will be harmonized into the New World Order. What you describe in the USA was always selled as freedom and here in germany many people must pay a really big part of their income for securing the health system and there are many people that are indeed outside of the health system like in the USA. When you have a closer look the differences are not so big. List of countries with universal health care The City of London is not London City and has nothing to do with the UK - it is outstanding like the 'state' of the vatican. The vatican is not only providing the 'christian religion', it is de facto the main part of the administration of the people of the world. Please have a closer look at The Roman Curia. Regarding the military have a closer look which country enforces international military interests (List of wars involving the United States). I would say you are comparing nuances - from my (outer) point of view i see everywhere the same principle of unintential slavery. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Patrick - 08-30-2021 Unintentional slavery will exist as long as the concept of money is used. A reset won't help. We need to transit away from money. Before this can happen people need to see. Not enough people are seeing at the moment. But we're getting there slowly. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - flofrog - 08-30-2021 I think so too Patrick about money/slavery. Ever so slowly, if only we could slightly make it faster. Compassion has to grow faster . RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Ming the Merciful - 08-30-2021 (08-30-2021, 07:01 AM)Patrick Wrote: Unintentional slavery will exist as long as the concept of money is used. A reset won't help. We need to transit away from money. Before this can happen people need to see. Not enough people are seeing at the moment. But we're getting there slowly. Realistically, money does exist, (and it doesn't). Apart from the small amount of money we hold in our wallets, the majority of money is "Virtual". Our bank account, credit card debt and other debts are not physical money. We are attached to something that is not real. All online transactions happen in a "Virtual Reality". Something is ordered online, and we pay by the concept of money. The virtual money in a bank account is sent to the seller, and the amount is subtracted from your bank account or added to the credit card debt. Then, (hey presto), the item that was ordered materializes out of thin air. No physical currency changed hands. Patrick, what other system would you like to use instead? Goats? I wish to purchase a new printer please. Two goats? If the goats are already slaughtered, there is a ten percent discount. One goat and three gallons of goats milk? Or, five pounds of goats cheese. Bartering has its limitations. I am sure that "HP" would be overwhelmed with their multitude of goats. An "HP Pavilion Laptop", for one cow, two sheep and five pounds of goats cheese. I can see where you are coming from, although bartering does not work in the "Virtual Financial World". RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Patrick - 08-30-2021 Something like that. https://eosprojects.com/the-technate-social-sustainability-and-equality.html RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Ming the Merciful - 08-30-2021 (08-30-2021, 05:24 PM)Patrick Wrote: Something like that. Now I see where you are coming from? Interesting website. It is not the money that is the problem, but the corrupt banking system. The banking system is fixed in favour of the banks. The system needs to be overhauled and fixed, and shared wealth. RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - Patrick - 08-30-2021 Well even such a system is just a stop gap measure. To give time for the future generations to realize they don't need any type of system. Just fully automate everything and we're done. ![]() RE: Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter - tadeus - 08-30-2021 (08-30-2021, 07:01 AM)Patrick Wrote: Unintentional slavery will exist as long as the concept of money is used. A reset won't help. We need to transit away from money. Before this can happen people need to see. Not enough people are seeing at the moment. But we're getting there slowly. Yes - but you should be more precise. Money itself is not bad, because it is only an exchange value. Specially money with an intrinsic value like silver or gold coins. The real problem is that at this time the use of money will have every time an interest and that it is complete in the hand of (private) banks. But this is not all - there is the unintential slavery over the person too. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/person#Etymology Wrote:Etymology |