Ra 61.9 Wrote:Questioner: This brings out the point of the purpose for the physical incarnation, I believe. And that is to reach a conviction through your own thought processes as to a solution to problems and understandings in a totally unbiased or totally free situation with no proof at all or anything that you would consider proof, proof being a very poor word in itself. Can you expand on my concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Your opinion is an eloquent one although somewhat confused in its connections between the freedom expressed by subjective knowing and the freedom expressed by subjective acceptance. There is a significant distinction between the two.

This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other inpourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom.

That known as the subjective knowing without proof is, in some degree, a poor friend for there will be anomalies no matter how much information is garnered due to the distortions which form third density.

(04-14-2021, 11:58 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: You believe other people operate on the same design limits as you? That is not a principle that can go without some evidence or data backing it.

The tarot archetypes already hint at the differences.

"I see even less of a way to know specifics about them, for one, because they (allegedly) exist in a different reality."

I do not see it that way. We already have a fundamental difference. Which is why i raised the challenge question. How do you know i am guessing? Your answer seems to be that if you operate on your limits, this must be the case for me. That is not logical. We are not all the same.

The evidence is simple. Lack of telepathy. Even those who claim to use it, are seen by the administrators as violating free will. So unity is a kind of violation of free will when not everyone is equally capable, woukd be one logical statement. Not right but logical.

To provide the context. This is not a thread about what confederation meant. This is a thread by star one asking for x. I provided some guidance to test the waters. They responded favorably. Thus my comments are designed fir star one specifically here. They should not be interpreted out of context. As i linked confederation material to support my work and my elaboration on it was to orovide those using my guidance, with info that they use to help themselves.

If you are not asking me for guidance nor are you using it in that fashion, it will be like two gears of different speeds that do not synch up.

Thus the assessment was not provided for you to agree or disagree with. It was provided for star one or others who want to remove obstacles on x.

(04-14-2021, 12:47 PM)Diana Wrote:

(04-14-2021, 11:58 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: You believe other people operate on the same design limits as you? That is not a principle that can go without some evidence or data backing it.

The tarot archetypes already hint at the differences.

"I see even less of a way to know specifics about them, for one, because they (allegedly) exist in a different reality."

I do not see it that way. We already have a fundamental difference. Which is why i raised the challenge question. How do you know i am guessing? Your answer seems to be that if you operate on your limits, this must be the case for me. That is not logical. We are not all the same.

The evidence is simple. Lack of telepathy. Even those who claim to use it, are seen by the administrators as violating free will. So unity is a kind of violation of free will when not everyone is equally capable, woukd be one logical statement. Not right but logical.

To provide the context. This is not a thread about what confederation meant. This is a thread by star one asking for x. I provided some guidance to test the waters. They responded favorably. Thus my comments are designed fir star one specifically here. They should not be interpreted out of context. As i linked confederation material to support my work and my elaboration on it was to orovide those using my guidance, with info that they use to help themselves.

If you are not asking me for guidance nor are you using it in that fashion, it will be like two gears of different speeds that do not synch up.

Thus the assessment was not provided for you to agree or disagree with. It was provided for star one or others who want to remove obstacles on x.

My dear Y, I am not sure you understood me at all. I have no beliefs.

Perhaps "guessing" was not the best verb. It does have the connotation of randomness. I did not mean it that way, so how about "current working theory"? That is as far as I will go, because working theories are all I have.

As for whether I agree or disagree, this is just a conversation. I say, chill and enjoy the differences. If someone disagrees and has a different view, I say all to the good—it means a larger view whether any of it is ultimately useful or not. One can discard what is not of value and keep what is.  

If one never rubs up against others' points of view, one's own constructed reality can become a bit immovable (I am thinking of the Potentiator of the Spirit). Constructed belief systems have the tendency to be struck by light. Even if those belief systems include things not of this physical world. I include the Ra contact in this idea; I resonate with it but I don't believe in it, and this applies to everything as far as I can imagine it. 

(04-14-2021, 03:43 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

Quote:If one never rubs up against others' points of view, one's own constructed reality can become a bit immovable (I am thinking of the Potentiator of the Spirit)

Would you explain how Key 16 or The Tower, has anything to do with what you were trying to convey? I am not sure I understand?

(04-14-2021, 04:20 PM)Diana Wrote:

(04-14-2021, 03:43 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

Quote:If one never rubs up against others' points of view, one's own constructed reality can become a bit immovable (I am thinking of the Potentiator of the Spirit)

Would you explain how Key 16 or The Tower, has anything to do with what you were trying to convey? I am not sure I understand?

I think it is good to hear opposing opinions that challenge one's viewpoints. That is what I mean about rubbing up against each others' points of view. We have a tendency as humans to cling at times to our beliefs or ways of seeing things. When confronted with differing perspectives, and if one is open to new information, one may expand one's understandings or perspectives, and lesson the grip or attachment to just one way of seeing things. It doesn't mean we will adopt another point of view; it only represents that one's view is not the whole understanding or the final word. By clinging to a belief, one builds an edifice to defend—it seems to me it is the nature of beliefs to be final or absolute. But given that we only have access to a finite portion of existence, it follows that there is more information to apprehend.

The lighting-struck tower is composed of a pyramid, which to me represents a personal, constructed reality. This constructed reality can only in 3rd density be a fraction of the whole of existence, and it does have its efficacy in negotiating this reality. At points there are flashes of illumination, whereby one is exposed to new information outside of his/her constructed worldview. If the tower, constructed reality, is a huge edifice and not flexible, but rigid and immovable, I think the effect of the illumination (the lightning strike) can seem like a destruction, as it must topple the old belief systems in order to make possible a new, larger view or understanding to rebuild with.

(04-14-2021, 07:49 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: I was not having a conversation with you diana nor was that the reason i am here.

This is called unwanted service.

(04-14-2021, 05:31 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: I was wondering.
To me the tower is a structure that is created by our own ignorance as if it is our "high place" to retreat; like your pyramind is a place of so-called power that can be likened to "will-power" of which there is no such thing and is a false perception that is created by man. As there is only One power  and it doesn't belong to man.
There is a time when man, each on his own time, "awakens" or has a great awakening to the Truth and this is the lightning that strikes the falsehood of all these errored and flawed concepts of mankind. The way in which he sees things incorrectly is righted by this sudden flash of "insight" into his true inner being and what actually is powering him.
The true inner being is "Spirit" and something that dwells within G-d.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra.
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There are deeper observations to be made concerning the relationship of the great sea of the unconscious mind to the conscious mind which may fruitfully be pursued. Remember, O student, that these images are not literal. They haunt rather than explicate.

(04-14-2021, 09:36 PM)Diana Wrote:

(04-14-2021, 05:31 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: I was wondering.
To me the tower is a structure that is created by our own ignorance as if it is our "high place" to retreat; like your pyramind is a place of so-called power that can be likened to "will-power" of which there is no such thing and is a false perception that is created by man. As there is only One power  and it doesn't belong to man.
There is a time when man, each on his own time, "awakens" or has a great awakening to the Truth and this is the lightning that strikes the falsehood of all these errored and flawed concepts of mankind. The way in which he sees things incorrectly is righted by this sudden flash of "insight" into his true inner being and what actually is powering him.
The true inner being is "Spirit" and something that dwells within G-d.

Nice interpretation. I'm not sure about there only being one power, but is that a reference to there being only "One" as in the Law of One? Man, or rather, humans, would be pieces or expressions of the One, so wouldn't humans have power then—a piece of it or individual expression of it? (Words are not serving me well here, so I hope I am being understandable.)

Each individual will derive their own meanings from the Archetypes (tarot), and I think this changes as the person/adept changes and evolves. This from Ra on the tarot images:

Quote:Ra: I am Ra.
...
There are deeper observations to be made concerning the relationship of the great sea of the unconscious mind to the conscious mind which may fruitfully be pursued. Remember, O student, that these images are not literal. They haunt rather than explicate.