(03-07-2021, 08:54 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(02-22-2021, 02:55 AM)jafar Wrote: Having witnessed how PRC performed their 'economic miracle'.
I'll say the root cause is not in the 'money', but in 'how people see money'.

The 'issue' with US monetary system (and also other monetary system with similar structure) is that the 'banks' are privately owned thus operating with 'to gain currency profit' as goal.  

Nah. Banks are just an instrument. They dont determine the end result. What determines the end result is who owns and controls the economy - the people, or private profiteers.

US didnt have any major bank presence back in 19th century and yet 12 robber barons ended up controlling every single sector and making people work worse than slaves. Immense riches went only to a tinier fraction of society even more than today. So its not the banks who make the difference - its who call the shots in the economy, and how much of the economic value they gobble up.

(03-09-2021, 03:23 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Q'uo mentioned something about money as energy transfer, that the problem was trying to bottleneck it or store it, if I recall. The problem with money was not using it as an energy transaction but hoarding essentially, as it blocked the free flow of energy.

Someone hoarding billions and trillions and using this money to make more money, using it as leverage to farm humans as livestock so they don't actually need to work or give back to the collective, becomes a problem.

Q\uo Wrote:That which you know of the higher planes, that which you remember in a dim or not so dim way, bring into your heart and let it bless the environment that you see before you, just as it is. You are not here to clean it up. You are not here to make it right. You are not here to fix it. For all of the outer world is an illusion. You are here to love it. Take the world in your arms and embrace it. This is how you came to serve. This is your glory and your crown. Wear it well and rejoice in being here.

(03-09-2021, 05:01 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(03-09-2021, 03:23 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Q'uo mentioned something about money as energy transfer, that the problem was trying to bottleneck it or store it, if I recall. The problem with money was not using it as an energy transaction but hoarding essentially, as it blocked the free flow of energy.

Someone hoarding billions and trillions and using this money to make more money, using it as leverage to farm humans as livestock so they don't actually need to work or give back to the collective, becomes a problem.

All the ways of putting a maximum amount of money any entities (people, corporations, etc...) can hoard will be viewed as a form of socialism.

I wonder how the public would see an initiative where all people have a maximum amount they can hoard before being obligated to spend any excess.  The person/business could spend it however they like.

They would probably come up with elaborate schemes where the money passes hands in a circular fashion in order to still hoard resources.

(03-09-2021, 03:23 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Q'uo mentioned something about money as energy transfer, that the problem was trying to bottleneck it or store it, if I recall. The problem with money was not using it as an energy transaction but hoarding essentially, as it blocked the free flow of energy.

(03-16-2021, 12:09 PM)jafar Wrote:

(03-09-2021, 03:23 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Q'uo mentioned something about money as energy transfer, that the problem was trying to bottleneck it or store it, if I recall. The problem with money was not using it as an energy transaction but hoarding essentially, as it blocked the free flow of energy.

This is interesting, where did Mr Quo said that?
If that's the case, me and Quo have similar view.

Money is like water or air, the more it flow, the faster it flow, the wider it circulate, the better.

Monetary system is like a river network and hydrological cycle.
A well designed loopback system need to be in place, thus the water will evaporate and dropped as a rain in a place where it's most needed.

How it's designed, governed and for what objective will decide the 'good-ness' (or the bad-ness) of the river network and hydrological cycle.

I saw an interesting video about the confession of US economic hitman, John Perkins.
He described, based on his own personal experience as 'economic hitman', on how US government uses it's currency (US Dollar) to hoard resources from other countries to US corporations. And also the 'reason' on why US government / politicians behaved as such. (ie; Because they need political donations from Corporation)
An Economic Hit Man Confesses and Calls to Action
https://youtu.be/btF6nKHo2i0

(02-13-2021, 02:20 PM)Diana Wrote: [quote='flofrog' pid='289013' dateline='1613201172']


As Ra said, the transition to 4th density could last hundreds of years. I just hope we don't do too much damage along the way. At this point, it's a precarious situation, considering the abuse humanity has ravaged against the life here and the planet. However, the ingenuity of humanity, or perhaps, the ability of humanity to channel higher sources of information, may yield new ways to reverse damage and regrow, rebalance, and heal the planet.

(03-26-2021, 10:42 PM)Prometheus Wrote:

(02-13-2021, 02:20 PM)Diana Wrote: As Ra said, the transition to 4th density could last hundreds of years. I just hope we don't do too much damage along the way. At this point, it's a precarious situation, considering the abuse humanity has ravaged against the life here and the planet. However, the ingenuity of humanity, or perhaps, the ability of humanity to channel higher sources of information, may yield new ways to reverse damage and regrow, rebalance, and heal the planet.

The truth is that if the Orion-installed "elites" have their way, and if there is a nuclear war, then the transition to 4th density will be (temporarily) aborted and there will be another 25,000 year cycle.

Ra mentioned that there are 2nd density entities, ones capable of withstanding radiation, waiting in reserve if this ends up happening. These will be the new bodies we will incarnate into under this scenario. Well, those of us who are still capable of incarnating after having our spirit complexes disarranged, anyway...

If you all think that humanity isn't gonna have to fight for its future against these vile and insane psychopaths, whom are in league with and being assisted by the Orion Empire... then you're all in for a rude awakening.

The drama that's going to unfold won't be what most are expecting, but please just trust that it is necessary.

I know Ra considers the planetary game to be unimportant, but we don't have the luxury of being able to ignore it, as it will affect all our lives, and the lives of our friends/family, directly, as well as determine how "smooth" the transition to 4th density ends up being.

I talked to one of the Orion entities once. It asked me why I wanted to save this "doomed world." As if it were a foregone conclusion...

The entity legitimately didn't understand why I would even bother.

Quote:Nothing can stop the progression of the cycles.  

(04-06-2021, 05:15 PM)Prometheus Wrote:

Quote:Nothing can stop the progression of the cycles.  

After what happened on Mars and Maldek, I'm not sure if you can make that claim.

I could be wrong, but we can't just ignore the threat and stand by and do nothing while they prepare to destroy the planet in a giant nuclear conflagration that will claim billions of lives.

(04-06-2021, 06:59 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(04-06-2021, 05:15 PM)Prometheus Wrote:

Quote:Nothing can stop the progression of the cycles.  

After what happened on Mars and Maldek, I'm not sure if you can make that claim.

I could be wrong, but we can't just ignore the threat and stand by and do nothing while they prepare to destroy the planet in a giant nuclear conflagration that will claim billions of lives.

I mean that the cycles continue with or without humans incarnating. It's based on the area of the galaxy that our solar system is currently in. Whether a planet is destroyed or rendered barren does not stop our sun from moving inside our galaxy. So whatever happens to Earth, the time for 3d here is going to be over soonish.  

And we are doing something. We're not just looking from a distance and letting it all happen. We actually incarnated here just to help with stuff like that. The best way I know of to prevent a nuclear war is to continue doing our part in the lightening of this planet. What else is there to do ?  Fight them ?  That would just speed up their plans for WW3...

(04-06-2021, 09:13 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(04-06-2021, 06:59 PM)Patrick Wrote: I mean that the cycles continue with or without humans incarnating. It's based on the area of the galaxy that our solar system is currently in. Whether a planet is destroyed or rendered barren does not stop our sun from moving inside our galaxy. So whatever happens to Earth, the time for 3d here is going to be over soonish.  

And we are doing something. We're not just looking from a distance and letting it all happen. We actually incarnated here just to help with stuff like that. The best way I know of to prevent a nuclear war is to continue doing our part in the lightening of this planet. What else is there to do ?  Fight them ?  That would just speed up their plans for WW3...

One would think so but if one is sick then all is sick. A nuclear bomb could alter a lot of things. Do you think that nature it impervious to the imbalances created by mankind? Just look around. Check out your seasons, think about the weather.
One thing is interdependent upon another. As in; the flower depends on the bee; the bee depends on the flower. If all the flowers would suddenly be wiped out, so would eventually the bee. Unless the bee could somehow adapt. This type of adaptation is very, very difficult and could take several years to accomplish and without a food source, the adaptation may not happen at all.

(05-03-2021, 03:47 PM)Doomchief Wrote: I feel for a positively oriented entity it is helpful to remind oneself that sometimes it is easy to to find and blame someone else like the "elite" or negatively oriented entities. So instead to accept "them" as yourself, love the free will and diversity of the unity. The understanding of the fourth density is not of intellectual nature and trying to resolve the situation with current monetary/wealth system only rationally probably won't suffice.
There's a lot to meditate on for "fresh" perspective and ideas.
At present people of Earth seem rarely envision future without money in one form or another. What comes to mind as an example is the "Venus project" of Jacque Fresco. The world where we share resources and tackle challenges together.
Can you name any fantasy/sci-fi film/novel ect. that doesn't have money? It is kinda funny that galaxies far far away or magic creatures of all sorts use money. And this supposition is not questioned by viewers I guess.
This is a type of a self-replicating thought patterns.
I can share a personal story with you (although I don't really like talking about past).
So feeling the influx of the fourth density energy, through meditation my perception of myself and life around changed. Be the change you wish to see? So I've been manifesting my new understanding. Example: the food is provided from the Creator and through the Creator, thus being free.
Following my heart I've left behind all the money I'd personally had (again, this is not a totally correct statement as the Creator still possess every dime in the world). My phone and laptop went offline (in the salty waters of the sea). And I've been living with the Creator which at the surface level appears as people of Tel Aviv (the 6th most expensive city, if you're into counting).
That experience is dear to me as I've been serving others with my being. Meditating on unity through the streets.
As for surviving without money - it is totally doable but takes will and faith. I've been thinking of millions of brothers and sisters suffering from hunger only because living in "poor" countries. And I know that it is me who die from hunger.
I've been asking to be where my service is needed the most. And, well, the Creator has a brilliant sense of humour. My biological parents started a company *a man missing* in the social media, used police, came from abroad to find me (we've casually met in the streets cause it is the Creator knowing itself after all). And after some interaction (that at first glance may be perceived as the violation of my free will) I was locked behind the bars in a mental asylum. Trying to diagnose me with a bunch of disorders and force-feed with medication. Because apparently the idea of living without money (this was the main and the most severe symptom).
I won't go in much detail with all that happened there but tell you that I really got to a place where a lot of meditation on unity was appropriate and helpful.
When the moment was right I felt that my service at this place was done. So I've just went away from the asylum telling guards at the exit "...אמא שלי פה". Because if you know - you know.
After that almost immediately the Creator returned (incorrect term) me money (always just enough) and provided with opportunities to get it (like walking dogs) or to find other options like volunteer in the community living for food and shelter.
I am grateful for every moment of that journey. A love and accept everyone even if choosing to play a role of Devils advocate. And I truly believe that through irrational love and compassion we can get the understanding needed to overcome limitations of our current way of thinking.

(05-03-2021, 03:47 PM)Doomchief Wrote: ...I truly believe that through irrational love and compassion we can get the understanding needed to overcome limitations of our current way of thinking.