(12-09-2020, 01:36 AM)peregrine Wrote: This is not game, even though such comparisons can be made.


One should proceed with care. 
This is not a game.

(12-09-2020, 12:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I say, see your experience as a game and tread with a light heart. A lot in the material hints to see our experience lightly in the light of truth. For example the definition of the Law of One (how we amuse ourselves in distorting our dance through the m/b/s complex in an unnecessary fashion) or the definition of how healing occurs (realizing deep within the Law of One. That there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect). I think to see one's experience as a game, a fleeting moment of investment within one's actual existence, definitely can be a good direction in wanting to approach one's soul. To seek the immersed and focused player that lies behind the mind-body interface that is of this illusion.

(12-09-2020, 12:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I think to see one's experience as a game, a fleeting moment of investment within one's actual existence, definitely can be a good direction in wanting to approach one's soul. To seek the immersed and focused player that lies behind the mind-body interface that is of this illusion.

Hatonn 11 May 1980 Wrote:You may consider it like a game, my friends. You may consider this a game. Find the hidden picture. You will remember this game. There is a picture of a tree and hidden in the branches of the tree there is a picture of a kangaroo. So it is with your life, my friends. Hidden in every picture is a picture of love. Love distorted, love undistorted. Love strained by your own misunderstandings, but nevertheless, my friends, that thing which we call love creates the changes and incarnates all that there is.

(12-09-2020, 11:52 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I think to see one's experience as a game, a fleeting moment of investment within one's actual existence, definitely can be a good direction in wanting to approach one's soul. To seek the immersed and focused player that lies behind the mind-body interface that is of this illusion.

I agree with this entirely.  So, why did I say it's not a game?  Well, in some sense I believe that as well.  That is, I believe it is not a trivial pursuit, if you will, and I know from experience that one can go off the rails into very dangerous territory trying to hack the software.  Ergo, I have a bias towards caution--not inaction--but deliberate caution. 

(12-10-2020, 12:24 PM)Diana Wrote: But in addition, and perhaps paradoxically, this would be balanced with responsibility and accountability—and one might say this is wisdom.

The Soul and the Afterlife Wrote:The Midrash states that the soul has five names: Nefesh (soul of vitality), Ruach (spirit), Neshamah (breath of life), Chaya (living one), and Yechidah (singular one). Kabbalah explains that these five names of the soul correspond to the level of soul in each of the worlds. Nefesh corresponds to the soul in the realm of Assiyah, Ruach in Yetzirah, Neshamah in Beriah, and Chaya in Atzilut, while Yechidah represents the quintessential point of the soul (Etzem HaNeshamah) which is rooted in the Or Ein Sof. Hassidism teaches that the Nefesh resides in the blood, Ruach in the heart, Neshamah in the brain. Chayah and Yechidah are transcendent of the body, not enclothing themselves in any particular limb. The Kabbalists explain that through successive incarnations, all levels of the soul are elevated.

4 March 1979 Wrote:The disciplines of personality are such that your only permanent exit from this illusion into the next is that of personality.

Latwii Wrote:Questioner: Hatonn [says] there are other beings. Are there other beings with you?

This is correct. We are many. We have a civilization, and this civilization has sent a large group of us to you.

Questioner: Do you travel in space ships?

We do not travel in the same type of space ship as the one known as Hatonn. We are closely akin to light itself, and thus travel in what you would simply call light. There is a difficult concept to convey, but our personalities are complete, and the basic difference between ourselves and Hatonn is that our sense of humor has gotten outrageous, so we have trouble sometimes talking to those among your peoples, for they feel that our humor is misplaced in dealing with such serious questions as love, truth, and beauty. However, to us the joy of life is so great that we find all this seriousness very humorous.

(11-09-2020, 12:11 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(11-09-2020, 03:16 AM)jafar Wrote:

Quote:But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Tested? I'm sorry I'm lost here..

However I do understand that this might be an influence from 'judeo-christianity-islam' belief system (which I'm also very familiar) where every 'soul' will be 'tested' and 'judged' in order to 'quality' ( or disqualify).

"Tested" was meant to be a reference to the Stairs of Light.

Ra Wrote:82.29 Questioner: You stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize anything more than 50% service to self to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil? The same percentage polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

Re-reading what I typed in my previous post, I can see how I left a lot room for confusion.  Those questions I posed were intended to be a rhetorical device to set up the conclusions reached further down.  For example:

moi Wrote:...identity is not so much a matter of choosing to believe this or that profile of self, but is about freeing and balancing one's various levels of consciousness so as to be attuned--with beauty--to the deep vibrations (and all vibrations) of Spirit.

The point of the post was to speak about how to approach, or how to experience, the soul, and the suggestion is that this is done by exploring and freeing up the experience of the various levels of inherent consciousness.

jafar Wrote:According to Ra, the Law of One is:


all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,

but only identity.

Yes, that is true at that level of consciousness, but is not so at another level where even identity is surrendered.

Ra Wrote:16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?

Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

(11-09-2020, 03:16 AM)jafar Wrote: That's what I understand when Ra (or Quo or others) mentioned "social memory complex'. A collective consciousness who shared data / memory gathered by many identities, many avatars, many unit of consciousness. Thus each identify itself as the entire complex and the complex also identify itself as each.

Yes, I suppose, but because I'm not involved with a SMC in this particular incarnation, my interest lies more, as I said up above, in communing with the aspect of self which distills from the incarnations the important, essential elements.  I find that approach to--or aspect of--spiritual growth quite compelling.  I also expect it would make one's spiritual work here more efficient.
  

Quote:my interest lies more, as I said up above, in communing with the aspect of self which distills from the incarnations the important, essential elements.

(12-20-2020, 06:58 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: It seems to me you are experiencing that essense even as you typed because it is also apparent to me you are very much aware of yourself, your true "identity", the real self also known to some in this experience as Peregrine, and so very much more than that as You know it to be. From what I see in all your posts, you are aware of your true identity Now. This will slightly change with each new experience as something will slough off and another You is born again. You are, according to my observations, appoaching this knowing already. I could be wrong as we both know I have been lol.  

(12-21-2020, 02:42 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 06:58 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: It seems to me you are experiencing that essense even as you typed because it is also apparent to me you are very much aware of yourself, your true "identity", the real self also known to some in this experience as Peregrine, and so very much more than that as You know it to be. From what I see in all your posts, you are aware of your true identity Now. This will slightly change with each new experience as something will slough off and another You is born again. You are, according to my observations, appoaching this knowing already. I could be wrong as we both know I have been lol.  

I thank you, OES, for the very generous evaluation.  I've put up copies of it up on my walls, mirrors, in my car, etc.  And, by the way, a cheque is on the way for the exact amount we agreed upon.


For many years I've been inching my way along like everyone else on a deliberate spiritual journey.  Much of that time was spent exploring conceptual models, clearing feeling and thought patterns which detoured my energy, and also delving into some of the weirder high frequency connections I just happened to have some connection with.  So, I was shoveling out crap from my lower centers, entertaining my mental apparatus and getting snippets of intimations from The Great Beyond, however, these elements were not coherently integrated.  Therefore, my capacity to be of any real service was significantly curtailed because...well...I could compare it to an automobile where the wires and hoses and all that are just not hooked together properly.  It will move around a bit, but I you wouldn't feel safe taking it out into traffic.

At the stage which you've come upon me, the elements are slowly beginning to work with one another and coherence is increasing.  The reason for this is that one additional element is now coming on line, and that is my heart.  As this little sucker is becoming energized, the other stuff is beginning to connect up, and, as you can probably guess, it feels pretty good.

What's funny for me is that the feeling on the inside of this mechanical restoration is very much what Ra describes as the lower chakras becoming balanced so that more energy rises to the heart.  Honestly, it's hard to believe that it feels this simple.  But I do feel less roll, yaw and pitch in my functioning on the human level, and my heart is becoming progressively more relaxed and--well--normal.

I do want to say, though, on aggregate, it's a not a feeling of personal change so much a feeling of the clarification of consciousness; that is, it feels like a new normal that's pretty close to the old normal, but where my human animal energies are less distracting and my love affair with Divinity has more room to be present in my normal consciousness.  It's maybe a bit like the transformation of the Jimmy Stewart character in It's a Wonderful Life.

Just to be clear, by the way, I feel I'm in the very beginning of this phase and that I will gradually develope with it for years to come (as you suggested above).  For instance, the business of the OP is not something I can (or feel I should) push my way into at this point.  I'm now just learning how to live with a human heart.

Thanks for noticing.  And, I might also observe that if you consider the above, it goes a long way towards explaining the biases of the ideas I've been pushing in many of my recent posts.  It's a naked, real life example of learn/teach.

   

Quote:it's a not a feeling of personal change so much a feeling of the clarification of consciousness; that is, it feels like a new normal that's pretty close to the old normal

Quote:I think we want feedback because we are in awe of the process which is so sublime we want others to feel and know it also.

(12-21-2020, 02:42 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: For many years I've been inching my way along like everyone else on a deliberate spiritual journey.  Much of that time was spent exploring conceptual models, clearing feeling and thought patterns which detoured my energy, and also delving into some of the weirder high frequency connections I just happened to have some connection with.  So, I was shoveling out crap from my lower centers, entertaining my mental apparatus and getting snippets of intimations from The Great Beyond, however, these elements were not coherently integrated.  Therefore, my capacity to be of any real service was significantly curtailed because...well...I could compare it to an automobile where the wires and hoses and all that are just not hooked together properly.  It will move around a bit, but I you wouldn't feel safe taking it out into traffic.

(12-21-2020, 12:52 PM)Diana Wrote: 1)  But you, as a motivated person in 3D, perhaps stumbling along the path, offer the example of something at once relatable and of extreme value—the desire to better yourself, to grow, to reach for that which is beyond, to seek oneness with the all. As an average person, this view of someone like you, in my opinion, is more motivating and inspiring than an established guru.

2)  And, gurus, whether they seek it or not, have to contend with accumulating followers, which is in conflict with individuals thinking for themselves and working out the mysteries for themselves.

(12-21-2020, 03:17 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Where I was coming from in my statement wasn't about providing inspiration, though, it was about doing deeper work in spirit. 

(12-21-2020, 06:31 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: 1)  It does get easier as we go and we should really say this to everyone who struggles. It sounds so cliche; but it really is true. The average human being is wearing an infinite amount of heavy coats and when you are down to your last two coats to be removed, you sort of understand what needs to be done and look forward to shedding it. Hence, it gets easier as we go.

2)  And yes of course, I think you know who you are, who you are becoming and who you once were. It seems so to me.

(12-21-2020, 02:42 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: For many years I've been inching my way along like everyone else on a deliberate spiritual journey.  Much of that time was spent exploring conceptual models, clearing feeling and thought patterns which detoured my energy, and also delving into some of the weirder high frequency connections I just happened to have some connection with.  So, I was shoveling out crap from my lower centers, entertaining my mental apparatus and getting snippets of intimations from The Great Beyond, however, these elements were not coherently integrated.  Therefore, my capacity to be of any real service was significantly curtailed because...well...I could compare it to an automobile where the wires and hoses and all that are just not hooked together properly.  It will move around a bit, but I you wouldn't feel safe taking it out into traffic.

(12-21-2020, 03:17 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(12-21-2020, 12:52 PM)Diana Wrote: 1)  But you, as a motivated person in 3D, perhaps stumbling along the path, offer the example of something at once relatable and of extreme value—the desire to better yourself, to grow, to reach for that which is beyond, to seek oneness with the all. As an average person, this view of someone like you, in my opinion, is more motivating and inspiring than an established guru.

2)  And, gurus, whether they seek it or not, have to contend with accumulating followers, which is in conflict with individuals thinking for themselves and working out the mysteries for themselves.

1)  Yes, perhaps.  But think of a pack of aspirants all traveling around a track and two or three break out in front, which is more inspiring, those to your sides or those up ahead who might tacitly be challenging you to catch up with them?  I would say it depends on the particular person and on their current circumstances.

Where I was coming from in my statement wasn't about providing inspiration, though, it was about doing deeper work in spirit.  The more balanced and reliable is one's vehicle, the safer and more effective are one's travels through space and time, if you will.

2)  I take your point--that's usually their source of income, after all--but there are exceptions.  Peace Pilgrim springs to mind.  She was a dedicated exemplar (an athlete on the spiritual walking track, so to speak) who was very balanced in her relations with those of her species.  She didn't accrete a syrupy following, to my knowledge, nor was she widely known during her lifetime.
  
   

(12-23-2020, 12:47 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:   
I'm curious, what about that model of consciousness do you find appealing?

Personally, I find that it segments the self rather than unifies it the way the energy center model seems to do.  That is, expansion of consciousness is encoded in the body and is available through the balancing of the impulses and gyrations of the lower centers.  Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I have found this other model more detached (one part from another) and so harder to work with.  Have you found it to be otherwise?
  

(12-23-2020, 08:43 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(12-23-2020, 12:47 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:   
I'm curious, what about that model of consciousness do you find appealing?

Personally, I find that it segments the self rather than unifies it the way the energy center model seems to do.  That is, expansion of consciousness is encoded in the body and is available through the balancing of the impulses and gyrations of the lower centers.  Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I have found this other model more detached (one part from another) and so harder to work with.  Have you found it to be otherwise?
  

I am curious about your personal curiosity.
I want to understand more clearly your explanation. Are you saying consciousness segments the self rather than unifies it? And, the word, "encoded" I find interesting.