(02-21-2021, 12:32 PM)MrWho Wrote: Again all paths are valid.

(02-21-2021, 12:27 PM)MrWho Wrote: There are four paths. Indifference, positive, negative and unity.

I believe Raukura Waihaha is of the latter. The "two dads" analogy requires a perspective that is higher than either.

Quote:78.25 - In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other, for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that, at some point, the negative polarity is abandoned.

(02-21-2021, 12:19 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: The negative path is a valid path to the Creator. We all end up arriving at the same destination.

(02-21-2021, 01:25 PM)MrWho Wrote: The positive path is the path of understanding, compassion. It is without wisdom, that is for the next density. (Though true, as a being nears 5th density harvest much had been learned in regards to wisdom. I am speaking in the most limited and defined ways here.)

"Unconditional love"

Jesus and Carla were both like this. Martyrdom.

Most holy, yet not quite, efficient.

This is why the the lessons of love come before the lessons of wisdom. For without compassion what use is all the knowledge in the infinite creation?

Quote:Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service.

Quote:Questioner: This may be too long a question for this working, but I will ask it and if it is too long we can continue it at a later time. Could you tell me of the development of the social memory complex Ra, from its first beginnings and what catalyst it used to get to where it is now in activation of rays? Is this too long a question?

Ra: I am Ra. The question does not demand a long answer, for we who experienced the vibratory densities upon that planetary sphere which you call Venus were fortunate in being able to move in harmony with the planetary vibrations with an harmonious graduation to second, to third, and to fourth, and a greatly accelerated fourth-density experience.

We spent much time/space, if you will, in fifth density balancing the intense compassion we had gained in fourth density. The graduation again was harmonious and our social memory complex which had become most firmly cemented in fourth density remained of a very strong and helpful nature.

Our sixth-density work was also accelerated because of the harmony of our social memory complex so that we were able to set out as members of the Confederation to even more swiftly approach graduation to seventh density. Our harmony, however, has been a grievous source of naïveté as regards working with your planet. Is there a brief query before we leave this instrument?

(02-21-2021, 07:37 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: How do you say, "All is one" then in the next breath say STS is this and STO people are that? Are you saying that all is one or all is separate or are you saying you separate people when it is convenient to making a point?

(02-21-2021, 12:50 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 12:32 PM)MrWho Wrote: Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

(02-21-2021, 09:07 PM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 12:50 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 12:32 PM)MrWho Wrote: Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

Maybe STO is shallow due to the faster reunion experienced and STS is a route that provides more contrast and thus, enriches the depth of experience.

(02-21-2021, 10:37 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 09:07 PM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 12:50 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 12:32 PM)MrWho Wrote: Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

Maybe STO is shallow due to the faster reunion experienced and STS is a route that provides more contrast and thus, enriches the depth of experience.

I doubt there's a correlation, you can go thru quite a bit of hell on the STO route in 3d, in fact you may end up exploring how STS systems can traumatize as a way of learning STS without actually being STS, and thus helping others making the same perilous adventure. And this experience will carry on in service in the higher densities, especially if you choose to wander.

(02-21-2021, 10:37 PM)zedro Wrote: Or you can play it safe in nicer places, helping out where you can, and lead simpler lives.

(02-21-2021, 10:37 PM)zedro Wrote: I'm betting that ambition in the 3d realm is a reflection of our spiritual character.

(02-21-2021, 02:01 AM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote: All is one and not all STS is about power over/under. Some people just prefer to be alone.
Having said that... I find it quite naive when STO people seem to feel like they're in the right, by trying to save STS or imply they'll get it eventually, like STS isn't part of the creator's plan and we aren't doing what we came here to do.
Most here choose the ironic path of excluding STS or acting like they're superior in their chosen perspective of all that is.

Quote:I'm more than likely STS although I never thought of myself in that light, until recently.
In 2002 I had a vision that seemed to show me that all is one and I spent alot of time trying to understand the epiphanies I had. I always felt like I was born to help others reach the state that I had stumbled upon. I say this because up until the vision, I was dead set on doing my own thing, regardless of the effect it had on others, even my wife and 2 children. I now feel like I was harvested STS.

(02-21-2021, 11:09 PM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote: Why do you doubt the correlation?

Quote:You seem to equate "nicer" with "more beneficial".

Quote:The contribution of the STS role is just as valuable as the STO one.

(02-21-2021, 11:55 PM)zedro Wrote: Because it's impossible to make, all paths are different, you cannot claim STO is more shallow and a quicker path, you have zero to base that on.

Quote:90.22 Questioner: Then you say that the more efficient of the two paths was suggested in a subliminal way to second density to be the service-to-others path. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We did not state which was the more efficient path. However, you are correct in your assumption, as you are aware from having examined each path in some detail in previous querying

Quote:The contribution of the STS role is just as valuable as the STO one.

(02-21-2021, 11:55 PM)zedro Wrote: I never said or implied otherwise, again, that's your projection on my neutral statement about both polarities having deep or shallow potential.

(02-21-2021, 11:55 PM)zedro Wrote: I don't think you understood my statements at all really, because the point was entirely missed, you cannot make a blanket statement about the 2 polarities like that, it's way above both our pay grades anyways, and it's a completely unnecessary and a futile exercise.

(02-21-2021, 11:55 PM)zedro Wrote: You seem to want to convince yourself of being STS (which is fine), and then justify the experience on your own terms and qualities. You don't have to do either one of those things (meaning, you don't have to label yourself, nor comparatively qualify it to anyone).

(02-22-2021, 12:50 AM)zedro Wrote: Not going to bother any further, complete communication breakdown.

And if you are STS, there is no point in discussion anyways, because you would purposely sabotage any exchange.

(02-22-2021, 12:16 AM)MrWho Wrote: Lol, you both fell for it. He plays his game well.

(02-22-2021, 01:27 AM)MrWho Wrote: Because the veil exists.

Quote:17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path, as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

Quote:7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving, say, from our third density to the fourth in our transition now. And I’m trying to understand how it would be possible—if you were in the Orion group and pointed toward self-service—how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum, or octave, of beingness.

This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose.

Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways. This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve.

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

At this time we would answer any brief questions you may have.

(02-22-2021, 01:30 AM)Aion Wrote:

Quote:17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path, as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

Quote:7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving, say, from our third density to the fourth in our transition now. And I’m trying to understand how it would be possible—if you were in the Orion group and pointed toward self-service—how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum, or octave, of beingness.

This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose.

Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways. This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve.

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

At this time we would answer any brief questions you may have.

The paths do not have lengths on their own, only relative thresholds of light/love to be enjoyed to move on to the next 'level', so it is neither faster nor slower for either path, but rather only faster or slower depending on the nature of the entity taking the journey, insofar as it appears to me. Some like the long scenic route, others like the fast track, you find entities all across the spectrum pursuing both polarities.