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RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - fairyfarmgirl - 12-02-2009
Thank you, Lorna... He was born full term...
What helped us the most was a diet without any chemical food colorants and corn syrup! Avoiding exposure (as best we can) of preservatives in foods/drinks, milk, and white flour. This really assisted him in no longer banging his head and being physically uncontrollable/inconsolable... It was really a traumatic few years for me... and him.
Then, about 3 years ago I came across this article on natural chelation... using cilantro. We tried it and found that it worked well for us... that was when his eczema really started to clear up and also he became less touch sensitive... and better able to take in communication. He had hyper-speech-- where he would just keep asking questions and people would answer but when asked if he understood he would just ask the same question again.. it was rapid fire questioning...
Thankfully, we are pretty much through it all. He also is now able to discern which foods are good for him and will choose not to eat the foods with food colorants, corn syrup etc because of the way it makes him feel "out of control of his body." He even will read the food labels... It is really funny and joyous to see him engaging in the world.
--fairyfarmgirl
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Bring4th_Steve - 12-02-2009
i'd love to know how you got the eczema to subside in your son, FairFarmGirl!
I've been trying to control eczema all over my body by using acid water produced by a Kangen water machine (thanks to Monica!!!!).
I've gotten off the corticosteroids now, but I've tried everything.. From asking my HigherSelf what the condition is from, to becoming a Reiki Master to better understand the flow of energy through the chakras and to try to heal myself, to ingesting specific herbs, to eating nothing but dirt, practically. I cannot figure out how to subdue this "catalyst".
I don't expect an answer to it, of course, but it would be interesting to hear how you managed to reduce the symptoms in your son.
Steve
Verify your sources. - C-JEAN - 12-02-2009
Hi, news fans.
We almost all watch TV or read newspapers. . .etc. . .have
various "sources" for our infos.
ALWAYS VERIFY the source of your source.
I mean if someone else ( Brother/friend, etc. ) E-mails you a fact,
CHECK with him/her WHERE it comes from !!!!!!!!
NEVER USE infos from MSM MSM MSE MSP MSA MSA ! ! !
Main stream media,
Main stream medicine,
Main stream energy, ( MOSTLY PETROL ),
Main stream pharma,
Main stream agriculture, ( The CRAZY Monsanto ! ! ),
! ! ! ! Main stream ANYTHING ! ! ! !
! ! ! They almost always LIE, because of $$$$$$$$$ ! ! !
Follow the money ! ! Remember ??
EDIT TO ADD:
Can you imagine the "naivety" ot the persons trusting the test results
coming FROM the COMPANIES MAKING and TESTING the stuff ??????????
???? HOW honnest will the tests, and/or the results BE ?????
Blue skies.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Peregrinus - 12-02-2009
Big business lies like a lizard drinkin' water... flat out!
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Ali Quadir - 12-02-2009
(12-02-2009, 02:34 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:And that's a sad fact.. :-/ Though on the other hand. Those who really want to know can dive into the databases, can look up the facts. It's not just politics and greed. It's also laziness. If the big company with the shiny office says so it must be true....(12-02-2009, 10:04 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Like I said, I didn't claim it to be fully safe. It's a transaction, you take a risk on one end to improve the chances on another end.
It might be a fair transaction if the person understood the costs vs benefits on both sides of the transaction. But those costs and benefits are clouded by politics and greed.
(12-02-2009, 02:34 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Even if this is true, and I believe it is indeed true especially for organic material, mercury is still adsorbed through the lungs very well. And we do get it into our body by eating. This is actually a known problem in the food chain. The mercury from our pollution gets into the plants, ends up in the animals and finally, because the organism doesn't quickly get rid of it, in the predators. By then it's becoming so concentrated that in some areas they develop neurological problems and malformed offspring. (:(12-02-2009, 10:04 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Most of the ingredients that cause problems in a vaccine are present in our food. I've shown this when I went through the list. For consistency I want to hear people complain about the presence of the ingredients in our environment. Not just about the minimal amount in the vaccine.
Many people who are complaining about vaccines are indeed speaking out about food and environmental contamination as well! However, there is an important point you seem to have missed: There is a huge difference between breathing in or ingesting a substance vs injecting it. The body has a different mechanism for dealing with toxins ingested that doesn't address toxins injected.
And please remember I'm not saying there are no problems associated with the toxins in vaccines. I'm just saying they're minute amounts. Even then, rarely but it still happens, that people get violently ill or even die because of it. It's a dirty business, I agree with you guys.
But smallpox and polio are still very real diseases, we don't have them here but we will have them if we stop vaccinating against them... No matter how filthy the vaccine, it's maybe still better than that?
It's clearly a choice of two evils. But I think vaccines are the lesser evil. As long as we use them on the serious diseases only. Not on a flu in a healthy individual. The kids get way too much of this stuff in their systems. But we can't eliminate all of it without consequences.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - ExperiencedGhost - 12-02-2009
I have been following that flucase since a while now and it is in fact like a soap. What I do know is that this has been planned for a long time. Remember the Illuminati Game Cards ? In 1995 this game cards was brought onthe market. Someone got the plans of the world "elite" and has made those cards? That way he was safe, the guy still lives today ! But the point is that you could see the 9/11 event (including the pentagon), the Al Gore docu about the global warming up, the VIRUS... and so on. Al Gor was mentioned by name, the subject of his docu and his exact recognizable face. This was all planned, a part of the NWO. Every gouvernment is involved, at least some powerfull like a president. A country that does has a royal family, well they do know about the plans.
Do you know ? What they want to achieve at the end ? I do and that aint pretty. That's why I hope we will first reach 2012 before they will do the worst things.
But do not focus too much on this, it takes you down before you know it ! I had that lately, so I focused on the positive things in life and I feel good again.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - ayadew - 12-03-2009
Eating mercury-poisoned food is one thing. Injecting mercury-poisoned vaccine directly into the bloodstream is a whole other ballgame..
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-04-2009
(12-03-2009, 09:01 AM)ayadew Wrote: Eating mercury-poisoned food is one thing. Injecting mercury-poisoned vaccine directly into the bloodstream is a whole other ballgame..
Exactly!
And, in answer to Ali's comment about absorption, it's not just absorption that is the issue; it's the body's ability to detoxify from the poison.
The chemicals in vaccines are preserved with formaldehyde! Preserved!!! There's a reason for this: so that they stay in the body. Think about it! Even a 'minute' dose of a chemical could be dramatically compounded if the body is unable to get rid of it because it's been preserved!
(12-02-2009, 05:15 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: And that's a sad fact.. :-/ Though on the other hand. Those who really want to know can dive into the databases, can look up the facts. It's not just politics and greed. It's also laziness. If the big company with the shiny office says so it must be true....
People are accustomed to trusting the medical establishment. I wouldn't blame the people entirely; the drug companies have done a stupendous propaganda job so people actually think they have their best interests in mind! Although I agree there is a laziness factor, most people don't realize the need to investigate on their own; they assume they can trust the 'experts.'
Typically, they don't start investigating until after the damage is done. Then, they become passionate about their cause. Just check out the many parent advocacy groups run for and by parents whose children have been damaged by vaccines. These people have indeed done their research! Unfortunately, it's too late for their own children, but they are heroes because they're valiantly trying to wake up other parents before it's too late for other children. These parents are heroes; they are taking on the behemoth drug industry.
(12-02-2009, 05:15 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: And please remember I'm not saying there are no problems associated with the toxins in vaccines. I'm just saying they're minute amounts. Even then, rarely but it still happens, that people get violently ill or even die because of it. It's a dirty business, I agree with you guys.
As I just mentioned in my previous posts, minute amounts that are preserved so the body can't eliminate them.
Ali, I am looking forward to hearing from you after you review the info I posted earlier. I think you will be amazed to learn that violent side effects aren't as rare as you think!
(12-02-2009, 05:15 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: But smallpox and polio are still very real diseases, we don't have them here but we will have them if we stop vaccinating against them... No matter how filthy the vaccine, it's maybe still better than that?
Are you sure? What are you basing that on? Graphs showing the decline of diseases after the vaccine was introduced?
Check out the complete CDC graphs shown in the videos I posted.
(12-02-2009, 05:15 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: It's clearly a choice of two evils. But I think vaccines are the lesser evil. As long as we use them on the serious diseases only. Not on a flu in a healthy individual. The kids get way too much of this stuff in their systems. But we can't eliminate all of it without consequences.
I appreciate your attempt to have a balanced perspective. This reminds me of a conversation I had the other day with an atheist. He said, "I have examined all the data and concluded that there is no God; nor is there a soul or anything supernatural." to which I replied, "How are you so sure you have examined all the data?"
The more data I found, the more convinced I became that, in most cases, the vaccine was far more terrifying than the disease. The only exception I found was tetanus (and rabies for dogs).
I think the concept of vaccination is sound. But the delivery is very primitive. There are homeopathic nosodes that have been used successfully in Europe. I'm not sure how documented it is, but this approach adheres to the Hippocratic Oath of First do no harm.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Lets check the facts people...
Vaccines have been proven to work again and again... Open pubmed... www.pubmed.com, search for "vaccine efficacy" and you get pages of research indicating the effect.
Reading the research reports which were funded by the drug companies who have a vested interest in selling their product is like letting the fox guard the henhouse.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: The amount of cases of measles in the USA has dropped from 750.000 to fewer than 100 in the last few years directly due to vaccination.
Directly due to vaccination? Says who? The CDC? That is just a conclusion offered by the CDC...after I saw their skewed, misrepresented graphs, I don't trust them at all!
There is a much bigger picture than what the drug companies (who are in bed with the CDC) tell us.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: ammonium sulfate used mostly in fertilizers, it's in your food.
Just because something is in our food doesn't mean it's safe! There are numerous ingredients commonly found in mainstream foods that I would never eat!
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: amphotericin B This is nasty stuff, it's a fungicide. It's potentially lethal in larger doses and has nasty but short term side effects.
What exactly does short term mean? Why is something short term?
It's short term because the body is able to eliminate it.
Toxins found in vaccines are not eliminated by the body because they are preserved with formaldehyde.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum If you ever ate pig or an omelet, you received this in much larger doses.
But not injected into the bloodstream.
And vegetarians wouldn't want these 'ingredients' anymore.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: betapropiolactone is suspected to be a factor in cancers.
Lovely!
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: formaldehyde it's basically a toxin used to kill bacteria and cells, to keep the vaccine clear of infections. However, it's not healthy for humans either. In large doses it can cause allergies, and cancers.
Respectfully, Ali, you seem to be assessing each ingredient individually, without taking into account their synergistic effects, the fact that they are injected into the blood, and, most importantly, the fact that they are preserved and therefore cannot be eliminated via the normal detoxification channels.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: formalin is another name for a treated formaldehyde. The only other ingredients are water and methanol which is alcohol, large doses are drunk for example in Russia and can lead to blindness. The dose in a vaccine offcourse won't even get you drunk let alone damage you.
Another preservative?
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Sounds bad and maybe it is but it's not poison.
They use fetal tissue from abortions in vaccines??? Wow. Not physical poison, maybe, but I personally would not want that in my body, for ethical reasons.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: monosodium glutamate (MSG)Used in foods to make them taste better. They say it's a reason for obesity.
There is oh so much more that could be said about MSG. The natural/wholistic/alternative community has a general consensus that's in the top 10 worst sins...nasty stuff that should be avoided, like aspartame.
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: In the days since the first flu "outbreaks" 2.7 million have died of aids, millions more have been infected. I'm not even talking about cardio vascular issues or cancer. And yet we're talking about a flu.
Yeah, it's nuts!
(11-30-2009, 05:12 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I don't think the negative elite are as powerful as is often suggested. I see them scrambling to maintain the status quo of their worlds. Suddenly their assets vaporized. They want to reestablish their de-facto power.
I agree on this!
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Peregrinus - 12-04-2009
There are other wonderful ingredients in these vaccines other than those already mentioned.
Quote:Novartis Focetria Adjuvanted H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent
Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin
Squalene: Neurotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
Novartis H1N1 Monovalent Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen
Polymyxin: Neurotoxin
Neomycin: Immunotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
GlaxoSmithKline Arepanrix Adjuvanted H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Formaldehyde : Carcinogen
Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent
Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin
Squalene: Neurotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
GlaxoSmithKline Pandemrix Adjuvanted H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Octoxynol 10: Immunotoxin
Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent
Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin
Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin
Squalene: Neurotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
GlaxoSmithKline Fluarix 2009-2010 Formula Ingredients/Toxicity
Formaldehyde : Carcinogen
Octoxynol 10: Immunotoxin
Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent
Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin
Sanofi-Pasteur H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Formaldehyde : Carcinogen
Polyethylene Glycol: Systemic Toxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
MedImmune H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Monosodium Glutamate: Neurotoxin
Gentamicin Sulfate: Nephrotoxic
Monobasic Potassium Phosphate: Immunotoxin
FLUARIX 2009 Latest Package Insert Ingredients/Toxicity
Formaldehyde : Carcinogen
Gentamicin Sulfate: Nephrotoxic
Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent
Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
CSL PANVAX H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen
Neomycin: Immunotoxin
Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin
Polymyxin: Neurotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
CSL Afluria H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen
Neomycin Sulfate: Immunotoxin
Polymyxin B: Neurotoxin
Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin
Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
Million TIMES More Squalene
In H1N1 Vax Than Caused Gulf War Syndrome !!
Rense.com Exclusive
From Gary Jacobucci
8-25-9
Quote:Dr. Laibow's presentation on squalene during the second hour of your program last night, 8-24, was impressive. In looking for some verification of the 'million-times more squalene' than was in 'Vaccine A' that caused the catastrophic Gulf War I Illness (which ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of troops and killed thousands of others -ed), I came across this article...
What's The Danger of Swine Flu Vaccinations?
By Dr. Anders Bruun Laursen
"...So, as you see, there is no confusion with regard to swine flu and bird flu viruses. But there is another important consideration: the role of squalene.
The average quantity of squalene injected into the US soldiers abroad and at home in the anthrax vaccine during and after the Gulf War was 34.2 micrograms per billion micrograms of water. According to one study, this was the cause othe Gulf War syndrome in 25% of 697.000 US personnel at home and abroad. (3). You can find this table of FDA analyses from the Gulf War lots on The Military Vaccine Resource Directory website (4)
a.. AVA 020 - 11 ppb squalene (parts per billion)
b.. AVA 030 - 10 ppb squalene
c.. AVA 038 - 27 ppb squalene
d.. AVA 043 - 40 ppb squalene
e.. AVA 047 - 83 ppb squalene
These values were confirmed by Prof. R. F. Garry (5) before the House of Representatives. Prof Garry was the man to discover the connection between the Gulf War syndrome and squalene.
According to his findings, the Gulf War syndrome was caused by squalene, which was banned by a Federal Court Judge in 2004 from the Pentagons use. (6)
As seen on p. 6 of this EMEA document (7), the Pandremix vaccine contains 10,68 mg of squalene per 0,5 ml. This corresponds to 2.136.0000 microgrammes pr. billion microgrammes of water, i.e. one million times more squalene per dose than in (4). There is any reason to believe that this will make people sick to a much higher extent than in 1990/91. This appears murderous to me."
Then, in looking for some confirmation on Novartis putting gp 120 (an HIV/AIDS protein) in their vaccines, I found the following...
The Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu
By Dr Russell Blaylock
"...Novartis, the second contender, also has an agreement with WHO for a pandemic vaccine. Novartis appears to have won the contract, since their vaccine is near completion. What is terrifying is that these pandemic vaccines contain ingredients, called immune adjuvants that a number of studies have shown cause devastating autoimmune disorders, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus.
Animal studies using this adjuvant have found them to be deadly. A study using 14 guinea pigs found that when they were injected with the special adjuvant, only one animal survived. A repeat of the study found the same deadly outcome.
So, what is this deadly ingredient? It is called squalene, a type of oil. The Chiron company, maker of the deadly anthrax vaccine, makes an adjuvant called MF-59 which contains two main ingredients of concern-squalene and gp120. A number of studies have shown that squalene can trigger all of the above-mentioned autoimmune diseases when injected.
The MF-59 adjuvant has been used in several vaccines. These vaccines, including tetanus and diphtheria, are the same vaccines frequently associated with adverse reactions.
I reviewed a number of studies on this adjuvant and found something quite interesting. Several studies done on human test subjects found MF-59 to be a very safe immune adjuvant. But when I checked to see who did these studies, I found-to no surprise-that they were done by the Novartis Pharmaceutical Company and Chiron Pharmaceutical Company, which have merged. They were all published in "prestigious" medical journals. Also, to no surprise, a great number of studies done by independent laboratories and research institutions all found a strong link between MF-59 and autoimmune diseases.
Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig's disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases, such as polyarteritis nodosa, multiple sclerosis (MS), lupus, transverse myelitis (a neurological disorder caused by inflammation of the spinal cord), endocarditis (inflammation of the heart's inner lining), optic neuritis with blindness and glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease).
The second ingredient, and one that greatly concerns me, is called gp120, a glycoprotein. Researchers found when it was mixed with squalene, the glycoprotein became strongly antigenic - that is, it produced a powerful and prolonged immune response to the vaccination. In fact, their studies show that with each dose, the intense immune reaction lasts over a year.
Now for the shocker-the glycoprotein-gp120, a major component of MF-59 vaccine adjuvant, is the same protein fragment isolated from HIV - the virus that is responsible for the rapid dementia seen in AIDS patients.
Studies have shown that when gp120 is taken up by the microglia cells in the brain, it causes intense inflammation and makes the brain subject to excitotoxic damage-a process called immunoexcitotoxicity. This is also the cause of the MS and optic neuritis associated with vaccines that contain MF-59.
So, how would the gp120 get into the brain? Studies of other immune adjuvants using careful tracer techniques have shown that they routinely enter the brain following vaccination. What most people do not know, even the doctors who recommend the vaccines, is that most such studies by pharmaceutical companies observe the patients for only one to two weeks following vaccination-these types of reactions may take months or even years to manifest.
It is obvious that the vaccine manufacturers stand to make billions of dollars in profits from this WHO/government-promoted pandemic. Novartis, the maker of the new pandemic vaccine, recently announced that they would not give free vaccines to impoverished nations-everybody pays.
One must keep in mind that once the vaccine is injected, there is little you can do to protect yourself-at least by conventional medicine. It will mean a lifetime of crippling illness and early death.
There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet." End of excerpt by Dr. Blaylock.
I agree this is the last kick at the cat for those currently losing their control and power over the 3rd Density world they have so gleefully ravaged. Their time is at an end, and they will soon be off to their place in the dark. All is as it is meant to be.
I've just come to another realization too. Of all the spam I receive in my mailbox (I use one for registering at sites etc.), I have been, for the last year or so now, been receiving spam email after spam email for pharma items. Isn't it funny how spammers get jail time... unless it is for pharma items... I guess they don't like competition!
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - transiten - 12-04-2009
Thankyou peregrinUS
And Ali Quadir, i don't think you have tO dissicate any quotes from the "angry professor", i'm too tired to search it out and there's so much info coming in that it won't be necessary! And! I don't know how to insert those quote
Help:exclamation:Liliane
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - ExperiencedGhost - 12-04-2009
Did someone read the open letter to David Rockefeller ? Nice touch ! http://www.theshotheardroundtheworld.info/
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - 3D Sunset - 12-04-2009
If you look for conspiracies you will find them... everywhere. If you look for the dark side of humanity and sinister purpose behind each action, you will find it... not because it is there, but because you think it is.
I have worked in a variety of industries and companies including the pharmaceutical industry and I must say that contrary to the prevailing attitude expressed on this thread, I was constantly moved by the sense of mission of support, love and extension of life and the quality thereof by the vast majority of those working in this industry. This is not to say that mistakes are not made and that all of this science is, well, a science... It is largely an art and one that is complicated by the human mind, body and spirit on which it is called to operate.
The simple fact is that we live in a quick fix society, inhabited by those that are largely asleep, that look to our bastions of science and technology for the silver bullet and magic pill that will cure everyone's ills. Why is anyone surprised that companies spring up that act within our current constraints of scientific proof to offer people the quick fix that they demand, just like the snake oil salesmen on yore? Do they really work? Sure they do! Of course so do sugar pills (and snake oil), and more importantly so does simply living according to the balance with nature that is possible on our lovely blue orb.
The concern that I have with this thread is that it sounds so fear based. Look, taking this or any number of other vaccines is not going to kill you. As a matter of fact, like Ali has said, it probably will offer you some additional protection beyond living right. I'll not speculate on the amount of that protection that is due to the injection rather than the placebo effect, because it doesn't matter (remember though, that the placebo effect only occurs in people that take the placebo).
I'll also gladly grant that there are people in the pharmaceutical industry that couldn't care less whether or not you get better as long as you buy their products. I find it a lot harder to fathom that there are those that in the industry that specifically want to harm you, but I'll grant that they may exist. What I am certain of though, is that by reacting to the H1N1 virus and its vaccine with fear, anger and loathing is more likely offering to those nefarious souls that may be behind this grand conspiracy what they really want, which is your negative emotions.
In my humble opinion, we should not look at each major world event as a reason to distrust those around us. Rather we should see, feel and embrace the positive emotions of those that want to work to help other people through these crises (yes, even those that work in Big Pharma). Because it is only through seeking and finding this love that we can come together as a planet. And once we individually or collectively become one with that love, then no amount of poison (ingested or injected) can harm us.
As chance would have it, my family all caught the swine flu about 6 weeks ago, before the vaccines were readily available, so we haven't been vaccinated, but I wouldn't give a second's thought about having them. There are a lot of worse things with which we come in contact every day, that don't even offer the possibility of helping us. Everyone must make their own choice, but I choose to see the good in my fellow men, not the conspiracies.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-04-2009
(12-04-2009, 04:41 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: I have worked in a variety of industries and companies including the pharmaceutical industry and I must say that contrary to the prevailing attitude expressed on this thread, I was constantly moved by the sense of mission of support, love and extension of life and the quality thereof by the vast majority of those working in this industry.
As with anything, there is likely truth to be found on various levels. I think there is a distinction between the sincere good intentions of the individuals working in the medical industry, vs the industry as a whole. I absolutely believe that the majority of medical personnel (doctors, nurses, etc.) do mean well and have their heart in their work. Many of them are now getting involved in complementary medicine (bridging the gap between allopathic and alternative medicine). Most of the medical personnel having good intentions does not necessarily negate the possibility of a few with malicious intentions. Nor am I even saying that there are malicious intentions at all! In fact, I vehemently disagree with those who think there is a massive conspiracy to wipe out the populaton blah blah blah. But there can be good intentions and the result still be harmful to those who aren't educated about the issue.
Case in point: I'd venture to say that the vast majority of the parents whose children have been harmed by vaccines were totally fine with getting their kids vaccinated. They did it in good faith! They didn't have fears of some conspiracy! So we really can't say that they attracted the outcome based on their fear (not consciously anyway). In fact, most of the parents I've spoken with (I know several personally and others I've met thru activist groups) whose children were harmed, and thus are now activists, are just regular, mainstream people. It was their unexpected experience with vaccines that woke them up! They are now activist because of what they experienced!
(12-04-2009, 04:41 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Everyone must make their own choice, but I choose to see the good in my fellow men, not the conspiracies.
I totally respect your choice! I am not advocating that everyone necessarily avoid all vaccinations. Even though that is my choice, what I am advocating is that info about the controversy be made available, in as unbiased form as possible, so that those who wish to consider alternative points of view have an opportunity to do so. What I am against is the medical industry suppressing data, pushing their propaganda, and pretending that there is no controversy when there is indeed a controversy.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - ayadew - 12-05-2009
3D Sunset: I agree that focusing on negative conspiracies is only making them more real. Our thoughts make reality, and not only for ourselves. We are reality and co-creators - that's the final point.
A being that perfectly realises this, without the biases we humans experience, could likely change all poisoned vaccine to true healing with a thought, but we in this reality do not have that power as we are victims to ourselves. We depend on eachother, on information, and we influence eachother.
My bias today is that I can love the person who has a clear intention of poisoning people, but I can refuse to take this poison while still loving and respecting his choice.
There is such an increase in perceived negative forces now, really stretching the polarities. I don't think there's ever been such comosion about something than this swine flu - it truly is the deep darkness of the last night of the mayan calender.
We have metaphysical faith, but if you remove that it's very easy to become filled with despair as we destroy our earth and our leaders can be seen as corrupt..
I encourage you all to be beacons of light & love in this difficult time
It's needed now more than ever.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - transiten - 12-05-2009
Goodmorning everybody
I'm curious to know if anyone here has visited Jane Burgermeisters website www.theflucase.com ? I would truly appreciate if someone opposed to conspiraytheories did and told me what you think.
Jane Burgermeister is the medical journalist who got fired after having charged files against Baxter, the mediacal company that sent 72 kilos of vaccine contaminated with human and birdflu to 16 diffrent countries in Europe which was discovered in a lab in the Tzech republic and prevented an even worse epidemia than the current one.
There's also this video with Bill Ryan from Project Camelot interviewing her.
Liliane
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-05-2009
(12-05-2009, 05:23 AM)ayadew Wrote: My bias today is that I can love the person who has a clear intention of poisoning people, but I can refuse to take this poison while still loving and respecting his choice.
Well said!
(12-05-2009, 05:23 AM)ayadew Wrote: There is such an increase in perceived negative forces now, really stretching the polarities. I don't think there's ever been such comosion about something than this swine flu - it truly is the deep darkness of the last night of the mayan calender.
What I find interesting is that the flu itself has turned out to be such a dud (thankfully!) in terms of pandemic (not to diminish the severity for those few who really did get very sick). As with other 'conspiracy' issues, the machinations of those seeking to harm are being exposed. As 3D light dissipates, there is less to cover their corruption and it's getting easier and easier to become aware of their feeble attempts to spread fear. As with another well-known conspiracy issue, once one sees the mountains of evidence, they are often struck with a sense of incredulity that the perpetrators thought they could actually get away with it! It's almost like a very bad joke. It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.
This just in:
Mounting Debilities and Deaths from H1N1 Vaccine
Jordan McFarland, a 14-year-old boy from Virginia, is weak and struggling to walk after coming down with a reported case of Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS) within hours after receiving the H1N1 vaccine for swine flu....
...Swedish, Japanese, and Chinese health officials have also reported a number of serious side effects, including deaths of people who received the H1N1 vaccine.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - ExperiencedGhost - 12-07-2009
@Bring4th_Monica, unfortunately there is a handfull of people that do want to wipe out the vast majority of the people. There are too much people to be controlled. Enough people that comes forward with this information and I mean with name and face. Already less children are born each year, this through the stuff they put in the food. Some sterilisation is the result of it. Now remember codex alimentarius that goes active on januari 1. More geneticaly modified vegtables (that is already the cause of an increase of cancercases in the US and Germany) and less nutricious adjunct and instead more pesticides that replaces htose nutricious adjunct in food. That's just a part of that codex alimentarius. They do want decrease the population but are doing that slowly. Food, drinks, air (chemtrail but has other functions as well) and so on. They are doing this already and are increasing their activities. This is just fact. Doctors are reading their scientific magazine that is someway in the hands of the nwo, so they are misled.
Different virusses were created and spread in the third world countries. In Ukraine now they had a mix of the plague/pneumonia. Their longs are burning up literally ! The people saw the planes who spread that in the air and so on. If you want to know... illuminati game cards and protocols of zion (time of king solomon believe or not !) would be a good start if you want to know their intentions !
But there are just too little armed men that are in the control of the elite of the satanic nwo throughout the world. Everything is just an illusion that their created. The society for example. You must see the whole not juist one part of it. That's what everybody is doing and they do not see the created reality they live in.
Like I said, just a handfull of nutcases running the world. Now Russia is preparing itself for war. Like I said... nutcases.
If the people would refuse for once the crap that politicians are selling us and say NO for once, imaging they would loss instantly their power. So our biggest wapen is love and compassion, they can't coop with that and are powerless aganst that. So they create fear and chaos. But more and more people are opening their sleeping eyes. They expect us to behave violently as a reaction on their poison vaccination, but no... people are not doing this even if they know the thruth about that. Many many pregnant women have lost their child after being vaccinated, babies becomes autistic, kids paralyzed, adults will have to deal with chronic illnes the coming few years... list is long enough. Do you know Jane Burgemeister ? http://www.theflucase.com/ Read the criminal charges (menu above). Every country is waking up even if the president is freemason and part of the nwo. People do not accept this silent genocide and are staying calm, womething they didn't anticipated !
I could go on and on... We the people have the right to choose and have chosen for no violence but refusing the order to be poisoned.
And yes, always stay positive...
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - ayadew - 12-07-2009
When there is fear you can always stop and know that there is a polarity of love. And that it is your choice, always, to chose between them.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Ali Quadir - 12-07-2009
(12-05-2009, 06:30 AM)transiten Wrote: Goodmorning everybodyI'm not so much opposed to conspiracy theory. But I guess I could take your question.
I'm curious to know if anyone here has visited Jane Burgermeisters website www.theflucase.com ? I would truly appreciate if someone opposed to conspiraytheories did and told me what you think.
Basically, as I said, the whole vaccine thing is two fold.. First of all there's deadly and disfiguring diseases... Then there's the flu.
The risk you should take to avoid a deadly and disfiguring disease is greater than the risk you should take to avoid a regular flu.
On her site Burgermeister as far as I can see is pretty much talking exclusively about the flu. And I think on the surface she sounds correct. However, from it should not be extrapolated that if avoiding a flu vaccine is a good idea that it's also a good idea to avoid vaccines for real killer diseases.
Because that's the real issue. The mexican flu is not a deadly disease... It's a flu.... And the fraud and exageration of the flu is the real crime. Which Burgermeister is rightly pointing out. The vaccine is just a usual vaccine with the usual side effects. Only in this case they're not warranted. At least I'm assuming it's a usual vaccine. I find it highly unlikely that there is nano technology or "deadly when mixed" cocktails in there.
Camelot has been steadily going downhill. I used to love Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy, but they've been spewing more and more nonsense and broken prophecies. In effect they just pass on what they hear... Everything they hear it sometimes seems. I think I still pretty much check up on all their interviews but I've been "face palming" much more since their beginnings.
In short the swine flu response taken by governments and medical institutions would be appropriate if we were talking about a much more dangerous disease.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-07-2009
(12-07-2009, 06:04 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: The risk you should take to avoid a deadly and disfiguring disease is greater than the risk you should take to avoid a regular flu.
I understand your point and appreciate your effort to differentiate between taking an unnecessary risk for a minor illness vs taking a bigger risk to avoid a serious, life-threatening illness.
If it were a given that vaccines worked, I would agree with you!
However, as you will see when you watch the videos I posted earlier, the very premise that vaccines even work for the more serious diseases is in fact being questioned. Not only questioned, but compelling evidence brought forward that the entire vaccine industry is mostly a scam. Graphs used to show the decline of diseases after the introduction of vaccines are misrepresented - this is irrefutable because the actual CDC graphs are shown, for all to see! Not paranoid musings but tangible evidence! Tangible evidence that the very data used to convince the public that vaccines work on the more serious diseases has been skewed! Furthermore, there is suppressed data showing that alternative modalities such as homeopathy are more effective than conventional treatments! Yes, I am referring to serious diseases like polio and pertussis here.
The point being that the 2 main premises:
1. That vaccines work in the case of life-threatening illenesses
and
2. That the risk is necessary because no other effective treatment or preventative modality exists
....are both seriously flawed!
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - 3D Sunset - 12-07-2009
(12-05-2009, 06:30 AM)transiten Wrote: I'm curious to know if anyone here has visited Jane Burgermeisters website www.theflucase.com ? I would truly appreciate if someone opposed to conspiraytheories did and told me what you think.
Hi transiten,
To be clear, I am not actually someone opposed to conspiracy theories. I believe that they are both real and imagined. I suspect that there are a few that are real (mostly still hidden from us) and many, many more that are apparent to us but were generated in order to create fear and anxiety and to distract us from the real shenanigans going on.
It is my humble opinion that Ms. Burgermeister falls into the latter camp. I spent an hour or so at her website and I came away feeling fairly disgusted with her. Let's look at a few of her assertions:
- First, Ms. Burgermeister confuses the swine flu (H1N1) with the avian flu (H5N1). She claims that Baxter contaminated the ordinary flu vaccine with swine flu in Feb 2009. Unfortunately, the first confirmed Case of the Swine flu didn't occur until mid March 2009. If she could prove this H1N1 assertion, it would indeed prove a conspiracy, but she seems much more interested in claiming problems than proving them.
- Later in the article, she shifts from H1N1 over to the H5N1 (which the avian flu... the last big pandemic scare we've had going for about 5 years). Unfortunately, there is yet to have evolved a sufficiently virulent stand of H5N1 to warrant any vaccination development. So this assertion is really suspect.
- She also implies that Baxter decided to CREATE a deadly avian flu by mixing H5N1 with the latest stain for seasonal flu (H3N2) . She asserts, with absolutely no scientific basis or proof, that by mixing H5N1 with H3N2, they created a deadly virus that would then be administered as though it were a beneficial vaccine, and if it weren't for some alert lab technician in the Czech republic, this would have been loosed on an unsuspecting world. Big on claims, very small on facts to back them up.
- Ms. Burgermeister makes a big deal about BSL 3 handling is required to manufacture flu vaccines. This is actually wrong. Flu vaccines require only BSL 2 handling, as is the case for the current swine flu vaccine. Even people handling live virus or tissue possibly contaminated with it only need BSL 2.
- Ms. Burgermeister has a degree in English. These are not the normal credentials of someone breaking such a significant biotechnical plot.
- Ms. Burgermeister learned of the issue from a newspaper. That's what she said. She read it in a newspaper and went down and filed criminal charges because the authorities were ignoring it. Seems more likely that they were ignoring it because it wasn't an issue.
I then spent some time listening to how the WHO would to take control of the US and all major militaries starting around October 2009, and that I would be forced to take this Swine flu vaccine by the new world government which was founded when the UN and WHO got together and exercised their rights to take over all the world government's and military's after they declared a Stage 6 pandemic. Supposedly, by taking the vaccine, I will either be microchipped or murdered, I could never tell which one it was. Perhaps it's just that I'll be poisoned (or possibly infected), and if that doesn't kill me, then I'll have already been microchipped so they can easily track me and put me in a concentration camp. And I guess if it does kill me, then the microchip will make it easy for them to find my body so they can dispose of it in a mass grave.
Hmmmmm. Well, it's now December 7 and I haven't noticed any UN troops in my neighborhood demanding that I get vaccinated. I also have seen no mass graves or concentration camps, but they are probably hidden from me.
Looking outside, it's actually a pretty nice day. The swine flu has proven to be a non-event (yes, it's out there, yes it's a flu, no it's not any more likely to kill you than the seasonal flu unless you have certain other complicating conditions). Ho-hum.
As for the US troops somehow suddenly following orders given by the UN? I've gotta say that one really has me laughing. I don't know what Europe is like, but Texas is full of a bunch of beer drinking, gun toting, red necks that would love nothing more than an excuse to shoot up the town and any UN troops that come around demanding that we get vaccinated.... Oh and a lot of those gun toters are IN the armed forces just to be able to protect their friends and family against any such situation.
The fact that she's trying to raise money for her cause on the same web site, sets off other warning bells for me. Fortunately, she hasn't found many suckers willing to contribute. By the way, if she's running this campaign out of Europe and trying to prosecute Baxter in European court, why is she raising money on US $? Euros are stronger and less likely to lose value over the short term.
I could go on, but I do have a day job. The bottom line to me, is that Ms. Burgermeister is out there trying to create fear and uncertainty around a topic that already causes stress in people. She is playing to your fear of the Illuminati and the NWO and found a way to tie them in with your fear of Swine / Avian Flu (I do wish she would make up her mind).
Just my 2 cents, but hey, you asked.
Love and Light to all the conspirators out there. You'll get no fear or anger from me. I'm not sure if disgust works the same as fear and anger...Come to think of it, it probably does, so it looks like still have some work to do accepting Ms Burgermeister. Wow, they really are good at manipulating us, aren't they!
3D Sunset
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Ali Quadir - 12-07-2009
Yes Monica, they question it... Now I appreciate that we should question everything. But after we've questioned it we should look for a real answer.
When I questioned it I only had to reach out to pubmed to dig up article upon article proving that it works.
You don't actually need science to show it works: Measles practically vanishing from the united states is a pretty clear example. Polio and smallpox not actually being present in the west while still ravaging certain parts of the third world is also a clear example.... I'd certainly like to hear any alternative explanations you might have. I can find none.
I appreciate thinking outside the box, doubting what is taken for granted or speaking against the status quo. You know I love this mentality... However I love discernment more and in this particular case I cannot convince myself that vaccines do not work. The evidence to the contrary is too overwhelming to suggest "they" are making it seem this way. I don't believe they have the power to influence the research of every scholar without me knowing about it. I'm trained as a scholar and I see their influence and I know how that world works having been a part of it and still checking up on them regularly.
1. Vaccines work in the case of life threatening illnesses.. The history, prevalence and response to vaccines of polio and smallpox are clear evidence of this.
2. In some cases there is no preventive modality. The alternative method of prevention for small pox is exposure to cow pox. Which is essentially the same or even more dangerous than vaccination. (Being a live virus) The prevention for polio has no alternatives as far as I understand.
If we would stop vaccinating, then small pox and polio would ravage the west and take thousands of casualties each year. If we don't stop vaccinating, the vaccine will take a handful of casualties each year. We're doing a very clear experiment in the world today... Those rich enough to vaccinate their kids don't know anyone who ever had the disease but they do know those who had adverse reactions to the vaccine and even then mostly only from the news. Those who are too poor to vaccinate see the disease on a regular basis.
I understand why you would doubt the claims of the likes of WHO and the CDC... They clearly are lying to us. And not just in this vaccine business. I could give you more. High blood pressure and diabetes are also abused on a daily basis. And on the psychology front depression and ADHD are popular money cows.
Hey you got me started. It turns out there are about 10 times more mexican flu cases in england than the rest of the european continent... Difference in food or health care? Or are they lying? The US is also hit comparatively hard... Again the same question pops up. Lies? or is this a picky virus that prefers English speakers? My current working hypothesis is that they are lies for the sake of marketing. To get to our money.
But even if you doubt the CDC and WHO, why would you doubt the research that was done 200 years ago long before these groups actually came into existence?
Discernment is required, but this does not just take the form of skepticism towards the powers that be. Sometimes we need to be skeptical of the conspiracy theorists. Right now they're getting a lot of attention, justly so, but we should not believe their every claim. My default position is to believe a scientist unless a good body of evidence is provided.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - transiten - 12-07-2009
Goodevening and thanks both Ali Quadir and Sunset for you input.
(Suddenly the "Newreplybutton" works again without including other posts) These are thoughts and reactions i had myself and i honestly don't know what to believe. All the same it's hard tro imagine that nothing on her website should be true; no smoke without fire.
And what benefits should Ms Burgermeister gain from scaring us with her theories? She got fired and ...well...is she mentally disturbed or is she payed by some dubious hidden hand? I don't get this..........
I feel my little brain cannot take anymore
i will not take the jab anyway and i have boosted my immunsystem etc etcBonne nuit from transiten (paus later
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-07-2009
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Yes Monica, they question it... Now I appreciate that we should question everything. But after we've questioned it we should look for a real answer.
When I questioned it I only had to reach out to pubmed to dig up article upon article proving that it works.
That is precisely my point. You 'only' looked at pubmed?
Respectfully, looking at multiple articles all from the same source is sort of like listening to a political debate and 'only' listening to multiple comments by one of the candidates, while muting out the other candidate. How can you have any conclusions if you are hearing 'only' 1/2 of the info? How can you make an unbiased assessment if you are viewing 'only' one side of the debate?
Perhaps you consider pubmed to be unbiased? Again, respectfully, I challenge that veiwpoint. The medical database is managed by the very people who stand to gain from the sale of their drugs - Big Pharma.
I would be interested in hearing your opinions after you've viewed the videos I posted...if you are interested in considering points of view other than that offered by the medical establishment. Or, to be more accurate: points of view offered by various people, including the actual witnesses (the parents of affected children) as well as those who were once part of the medical establishment and are now whistleblowers!
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: You don't actually need science to show it works: Measles practically vanishing from the united states is a pretty clear example. Polio and smallpox not actually being present in the west while still ravaging certain parts of the third world is also a clear example.... I'd certainly like to hear any alternative explanations you might have. I can find none.
Actually, it's not clear at all. The videos and articles I posted address these points.
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: ...in this particular case I cannot convince myself that vaccines do not work. The evidence to the contrary is too overwhelming to suggest "they" are making it seem this way. I don't believe they have the power to influence the research of every scholar without me knowing about it. I'm trained as a scholar and I see their influence and I know how that world works having been a part of it and still checking up on them regularly.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. If you are interested in considering other points of view, then may I suggest setting all presuppositions aside just long enough to view the alternate sources of data. This is what I did, and I was stunned at what I found!
Again, if you are satisfied with your choice, I respect that. I offer alternative views for your consideration, should you choose to do so. I am suggesting to you that, without considering the other viewpoints, any conclusion is based on biases and presuppositions. Sometimes it's difficult to conceive of a cherished presupposition being challenged.
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: 1. Vaccines work in the case of life threatening illnesses.. The history, prevalence and response to vaccines of polio and smallpox are clear evidence of this.
This presupposes that the history, prevalence and response to vaccines were all accurately recorded and the data accurately interpreted. It is this very premise that the videos and articles I posted challenge...and quite effectively, imho.
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: 2. In some cases there is no preventive modality. The alternative method of prevention for small pox is exposure to cow pox. Which is essentially the same or even more dangerous than vaccination. (Being a live virus) The prevention for polio has no alternatives as far as I understand.
Again I respectfully disagree. There are many natural alternatives to virtually every disease. Homeopathic remedies in particular have been used with great success. There is clinical data on this from European hospitals.
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: If we would stop vaccinating, then small pox and polio would ravage the west and take thousands of casualties each year.
Are you sure about that? Why aren't Black Plague and Bubonic Plague still ravaging the world?
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Those who are too poor to vaccinate see the disease on a regular basis.
That is presupposing the vaccine is the only variable in the equation. However, there are other variables, such as diet, lifestyle, and hygiene.
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I understand why you would doubt the claims of the likes of WHO and the CDC... They clearly are lying to us. And not just in this vaccine business. I could give you more. High blood pressure and diabetes are also abused on a daily basis. And on the psychology front depression and ADHD are popular money cows.
I'm glad we agree on that!
Why, then, would I want to trust the WHO/CDC when they are in bed with the drug companies? (12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: But even if you doubt the CDC and WHO, why would you doubt the research that was done 200 years ago long before these groups actually came into existence?
200 years ago, vaccine research was in its infancy. I'm not sure they even had vaccines back then, and if they did, they were undoubtedly crude. So I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to here. What I do know is that, at that time, most MDs were homeopaths. The basic premise of eliciting an immune response with a minute substance is a sound idea. In fact, the very concept is based on homeopathic principles!!
My point is that the concept can be executed in a harmless way using homeopathic medicines instead of toxic drugs. We needn't choose between ravaging plagues and long-term, debilitating side effects from those drugs. We can exercise the power of our free will and refuse to settle for either of those scenarios. We do indeed live in a holographic UniVerse. Personally, I find the idea of settling for injecting poison into the body temple to avoid being invaded by 2D critters to be very primitive and barbaric. There are alternatives! Alternatives that promote life instead of death.
Is the general population ready for these alternatives? Unfortunately, due largely to the mentality of the masses which is being mirrored by the drug companies giving them what they want (ie. handing over their responsibility to the medical 'authorities' and demanding a quick fix instead of making lifestyle changes), the answer to that is no for the most part. But, that is changing. More and more people are questioning what they've been fed regarding their health. Witness the huge alternative health industry! More and more people are willing to pay out of pocket to get alternative health care. The time is ripe to start making this info available for those who might choose it.
(12-07-2009, 02:43 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Discernment is required, but this does not just take the form of skepticism towards the powers that be. Sometimes we need to be skeptical of the conspiracy theorists. Right now they're getting a lot of attention, justly so, but we should not believe their every claim. My default position is to believe a scientist unless a good body of evidence is provided.
I agree that discernment is required and both sides should be questioned. There is truth to be found, as well as false assumptions to be found, on both sides of the debate.
I prefer to have a default position of being neutral. I don't consider a scientist's position any more valid than that of a mother whose 2 children were both developing normally, talking, etc. and then suddenly developed symptoms of autism within hours of getting vaccinated. (I actually met a young mother who had TWO autistic children!) Scientists are great at quantifying data. But their assessment can be only as good as the data they have available. There is reason to believe that the data is far from accurate. In addition, that data represents real people. These real people are often considered insignificant in favor of numbers in a computer. The scientist and the mother are both part of the equation. I would not prefer one as a default over the other.
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Lorna - 12-07-2009
"Personally, I find the idea of settling for injecting poison into the body temple to avoid being invaded by 2D critters to be very primitive and barbaric."
I nearly spat my tea out reading that Monica lol! What an interesting way of lookoing at it!
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-07-2009
(12-07-2009, 05:04 PM)Lorna Wrote: I nearly spat my tea out reading that Monica lol! What an interesting way of lookoing at it!
I'm glad I was a catalyst for a good laugh!
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - DonaldA - 12-07-2009
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RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - transiten - 12-08-2009
OK
Then i will add more to the confusion; as the veil will be lifted someday soon we will see the truth anyway so just have PATIENCE.
If this link doesn't work jsut google Leuren Moret and check out the "depopulation-theory-and-practice-video"...just another mentally disturbed woman or?
http://raivaescondida.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/depopulation-theory-and-practice-video/
I think i will finally end up mentally ill myself...perhaps one should retire back into a "muggle" as David Wilcock puts it...
traniten
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Peregrinus - 12-08-2009
She is not mentally disturbed. She thinks and speaks very clearly about things I have known to be true for years. I was telling people about these things in 2003, but of course no one tool me seriously, and if they did believe me, they didn't want to. For those that are just awakening to all this, yes it is a shock. To those that have been watching it happen for years, it is as was expected. In truth, this is only the tip of the iceberg. If you knew as to the actual extent of the depth of all this... it's probably better you don't.
Anyway, today I had a friend talking to me about building an underground shelter. Being ex-military with considerable experience, yes, I could easily design a very livable shelter. I told him I wouldn't consider one for myself though. I'd rather die standing tall living on the earth than to die hiding underground. If we give into fear, they win. I will not fear. In its stead I chose love and light.
My favorite quote from the great soul Gandhi.
Quote:"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
My friend and I have decided to buy (not genetically modified) seed and have a huge 40 acre garden next summer, and ensure that many people are fed from it, good wholesome no pesticide vegetables. It is time to go back to living on, and with, the land, breaking free of the bonds of the corporate and technology laden world. Jim had the absolute right idea, but his timing may have been a little early is all
Final quote, from the movie Powder,
Quote:"Technology has surpassed humanity. When will humanity surpass technology?"
RE: H1N1 vaccine is poison - Monica - 12-08-2009
(12-07-2009, 02:27 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: I am not actually someone opposed to conspiracy theories. I believe that they are both real and imagined. I suspect that there are a few that are real (mostly still hidden from us) and many, many more that are apparent to us but were generated in order to create fear and anxiety and to distract us from the real shenanigans going on.
Well said!
(12-07-2009, 02:27 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: It is my humble opinion that Ms. Burgermeister falls into the latter camp.
I'm an activist for some conspiracy theories I consider legitimate, but I arrived at the same conclusion in this case.
(12-07-2009, 02:27 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: I then spent some time listening to how the WHO would to take control of the US and all major militaries starting around October 2009, and that I would be forced to take this Swine flu vaccine by the new world government which was founded when the UN and WHO got together and exercised their rights to take over all the world government's and military's after they declared a Stage 6 pandemic. Supposedly, by taking the vaccine, I will either be microchipped or murdered, I could never tell which one it was. Perhaps it's just that I'll be poisoned (or possibly infected), and if that doesn't kill me, then I'll have already been microchipped so they can easily track me and put me in a concentration camp.
Didn't they say we'd have martial law by election time 2008? And everyone would be rounded up in concentration camps?
Folks, if something elicits FEAR then helllllllloooo that's a clue! ...as to its source.
I want to be practical about stuff like poisons being injected into the body. No thank you I will pass on that. But acknowledging the scam of vaccines is a far cry from thinking that everyone is out to get us and we'll have a Mad Max type world very soon. Those are obviously just fearmongering tactics by the STS entities in their last throes. And apparently well-meaning people like Ms. Burgermeister & Mr. Jones unwittingly further their purpose by confusing healthy caution with unfounded paranoia.
We can't raise the vibration of Earth and have a Mad Max planet at the same time. They're rather mutually exclusive!