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RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - Ali Quadir - 09-23-2010
Thanks for the quote Unity. I knew you would bring up this one or one of a few others. I had read this one, and the others. And I'm quite convinced it does not say what you think it says.
(09-23-2010, 11:25 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:3.8 Questioner: How were the blocks moved?
Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.
Quote:This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock.Here Ra clearly distinguishes humans from rocks... He explains the faculties that I have been talking about by calling them vehicles... Note that the vehicles available to a rock are different from that of a human. Each body is ascendingly intelligent! He describes here what I've told you before, the faculties that are evolved on top of each other. This makes the difference between different manifestations of intelligent infinity.
Quote: When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.So read carefully, not the finite energy of the physical, but the infinite or IAM that is present in rocks and humans! Which is different from the rock in exactly the same way you are.. It is true yes that intelligent infinity exists in your body and mind.. And it is both intelligent and infinite in power. But that you have intelligent infinity, does not mean YOU have infinite intelligence... Yes the ordering mistake you made earlier betrays you see the two as synonymous when they aren't.
Quote:With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rockness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.Just like the sheepdog example I gave. But you see that the architect is not the stone... It is intelligent infinity. Ra communicates with IT not with the rock.
So there is the intermediary which does the work. Which explains why rocks don't naturally come in pyramid shapes!
Quote:In this way, that which is required is accomplished due to a cooperation of the infinite understanding of the Creator indwelling in the living rock. This is, of course, the mechanism by which many things are accomplished which are not subject to your present means of physical analysis of action at a distance.Do you see here that it is NOT the rock that changes? It is the intelligent infinitiy IN the rock.. Intelligent infinity. Which is quite different from the rock... In exactly the same way that a coffee machine does not have the capacity or awareness required to spontaneously change shape and function. The sheepdog needs the shepherd to perform this function.
So in short, the rock is manifested intelligent infinity as you state it to be BUT in exactly the same way you are. And since you can't turn into a pyramid without an intervention from a 6d entity, neither can the rock... It does not have the faculties, the faculties are with the 6d entity.
Every time I see a different interpretation you make the mistake that I have not read the material. While a more accurate approximation would be that I have thought about it like you, but I thought about it differently. And this point of view is valid and it works.
It would be much more beneficial for us to not be this adversarial and actually attempt to see each others points of view. I feel I am doing this, and I feel you are categorizing every difference between our points of view as evidence that I haven't understood the material.
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - unity100 - 09-23-2010
(09-23-2010, 01:08 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks for the quote Unity. I knew you would bring up this one or one of a few others. I had read this one, and the others. And I'm quite convinced it does not say what you think it says.
(09-23-2010, 11:25 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:3.8 Questioner: How were the blocks moved?
Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.
Quote:This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock.Here Ra clearly distinguishes humans from rocks... He explains the faculties that I have been talking about by calling them vehicles... Note that the vehicles available to a rock are different from that of a human. Each body is ascendingly intelligent! He describes here what I've told you before, the faculties that are evolved on top of each other. This makes the difference between different manifestations of intelligent infinity.
you are wantonly dodging the conclusions inevitable from what you read, to maintain your perspective.
the vehicles being available to rock beingness and 3d hominoid beingness have no relevance to intelligence. the rock, is sentient, its intelligent. the body for manifestation you know as rock, is different from the manifestation of body you know as hominoid 3d entity.
Quote:Here Ra clearly distinguishes humans from rocks... He explains the faculties that I have been talking about by calling them vehicles... Note that the vehicles available to a rock are different from that of a human. Each body is ascendingly intelligent! He describes here what I've told you before, the faculties that are evolved on top of each other. This makes the difference between different manifestations of intelligent infinity.
the quote there says this energy is intelligent. it doesnt say another energy is more intelligent than the other.
it says that, different bodily manifestations maintain different hierarchies in regard to bodies and their manifestations.
body <=> sentience. otherwise intelligent energy could be, as your logic suggests, dumb.
Quote:So read carefully, not the finite energy of the physical, but the infinite or IAM that is present in rocks and humans! Which is different from the rock in exactly the same way you are.. It is true yes that intelligent infinity exists in your body and mind.. And it is both intelligent and infinite in power. But that you have intelligent infinity, does not mean YOU have infinite intelligence... Yes the ordering mistake you made earlier betrays you see the two as synonymous when they aren't.
you should reflect carefully, for while concentrating on something, you are forgetting and foregoing all the important concepts that Ra text relays us regarding existence.
the intelligent energy that is 'incarnated' in a rock is no different than intelligent energy that is incarnated in you.
the difference in between you and them, is the individualization and capabilities of physical body.
what is called 'the significator' in book iv, the mesh of concepts that constitute the individual entity in the process of discovering multiple-beingness, is different.
what constitutes the spirit, what constitutes the mind, what constitutes the slowed down infinite energy creating the building basis for the atoms and physical manifestation, are from the same source, and the same.
when these are tied in a certain fashion, and declared to be a complex, an individual entity with its free will comes into being.
otherwise, intelligent energy that is present in the spirit part of any entity, or the mind that is used in any entity are just the same, all being subsets, divided portions of the bigger continuums.
everything has infinite intelligence. what limits them, is the significator's limitations (mind, body, spirit complex).
that is why, intelligent energy manifesting as a 'mere' rock as you dub them, when contacts the rest of the intelligent infinity as invoked by Ra, becomes able to change and manifest to such an extent that they can form a pyramid, to the top of which you cant even climb easily with your own 'advanced' 3 d body.
Quote: With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rockness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.
Just like the sheepdog example I gave. But you see that the architect is not the stone... It is intelligent infinity. Ra communicates with IT not with the rock.
you either have not understood what you read, or deliberately ignoring again.
ra communicates with the intelligence of infinite rock-ness. ie, the infinite energy which is manifesting and individualizing as rock.
basically, the rock.
after that, the intelligent energy that manifests as rockness communicates to its PHYSICAL VEHICLE, aka body, which is, what you call 'rock', and then the body changes its shape and form. just like a 5 to 6d entity.
you are, for some reason, separating intelligent infinity, and the intelligent energy manifesting as rock.
there is no such separation. especially in 1d, where the entities manifesting are more unified with intelligent infinity.
Quote:Do you see here that it is NOT the rock that changes? It is the intelligent infinitiy IN the rock.. Intelligent infinity. Which is quite different from the rock... In exactly the same way that a coffee machine does not have the capacity or awareness required to spontaneously change shape and function. The sheepdog needs the shepherd to perform this function.
So in short, the rock is manifested intelligent infinity as you state it to be BUT in exactly the same way you are. And since you can't turn into a pyramid without an intervention from a 6d entity, neither can the rock... It does not have the faculties, the faculties are with the 6d entity.
excuse me, but i dont have anything to respond to this.
i cant just go over entire Ra text and the concept of intelligent infinity over, so that you can understand that anything that exists is intelligent infinity, in different forms.
there is no such thing as 'intelligent infinity in the rock'. everything is intelligent infinity, also, what you call 'rock', the bodily form of rock beingness. as it is explicitly written in the above quote regarding how the intelligent infinity that manifests as rock, in a rock body, communicates to its physical vehicle, the rock body, and makes it change, just like how a 5d or 6d entity does, but you however for some reason selectively ignore that part of the conclusion and then to attempt to reduce the intelligent infinity that is the rock to being, a 'rock' that is not intelligent, is not something that i can help in the course of a small discussion.
ra says, the rock beingness talks to its BODILY form, and the bodily form takes shape. it doesnt say a 'separate' intelligent infinity tells 'the rock' (whatever that is, apparently you are implying that it is something different from intelligent infinity itself) to change.
no such thing exists. there is a rock beingness individualized portion of intelligent infinity manifesting in a body called rock, just like how you are manifesting as a 3d entity in a multiple beingness in a hominoid monkey body. both of you are incarnates, yet, the rock SIGNIFICATOR is different from you. the intelligence contained in the parts that create the significator, as per book iv, are the same, since they are from the same source and always one with that same source.
you also seem to be missing some important information from book iv.
Quote:Every time I see a different interpretation you make the mistake that I have not read the material. While a more accurate approximation would be that I have thought about it like you, but I thought about it differently. And this point of view is valid and it works..
yours is not an interpretation, yours is selectively ignoring concepts to maintain a perspective.
we learn early in Ra that there is infinity, and then there is intelligent infinity. a lower tier is infinite energy, which is intelligent (aka intelligent energy) and which EVERYthing that exists are subsets of. anything that exists, is intelligent energy. rock, human, wind.
if everything is intelligent energy, than that directly means, everything is intelligent.
yet, you, at this point, are selectively ignoring this conclusion, even to the point of trying to evade what Ra directly says about rock-beingness directly communicating to its body and changing it as per the request of Ra.
hence;
Quote:It would be much more beneficial for us to not be this adversarial and actually attempt to see each others points of view. I feel I am doing this, and I feel you are categorizing every difference between our points of view as evidence that I haven't understood the material.
im not being 'adversarial'. i havent been adversarial in any discussion you participated replying to me, despite you yourself have been.
im just stopping discussing with you, similar to other occasions, because, you are selectively ignoring concepts based on the particular discussion you are in, while maintaining your perspective. something that you acknowledge and advocate strongly in some other discussion, suddenly becomes a non-point in another. at one point you defend that 'everything is me' - 'i am' 'i am infinite' arguments, then at another point you differentiate rock being from 3d being. if there was infinity, and you were infinite, how can rock be any different or less intelligent from you. if vice verse, how can the opposite be true.
i thank you for your participation.
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - Lavazza - 09-28-2010
Gentlemen, gentlemen... If we were seated at a table just now it would be at this point that I would clap both of you on the back and slide a mug of frosty beer (or other beverage of your preference) down your way. Although we may disagree are we not beating ourselves over the heads? And for what gain will we see if the other concedes a point to the other? Don't get me wrong- I love a good debate, provided it is done within the bond of friendship.
So without further ado,
![[Image: 2%20beers.jpg]](http://www.seriousinjury.com/upload/2%20beers.jpg)
One for each, and the tab is on me.
With love to all (including those of first density),
Lavazza
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - Ali Quadir - 09-28-2010
Cheers Lavazza, cheers Unity, lets make it a double, Lavazza is paying
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - CircleofOne - 09-28-2010
Thanks for that Lavazza. I wish I had something new to add to this discussion, but my mind has been elsewhere.
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - Lavazza - 09-28-2010
You could add some support for the large bar bill I am about to pay.
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - CircleofOne - 09-28-2010
I'll drink to that! :p
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - AnthroHeart - 09-29-2010
I'm just happy being in the flow.
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - irpsit - 10-13-2010
I don't mean breaking the laws of this forum nor do I recommend the use of drugs. However, when I had experience with eating entheogenic plants, I connected to the consciousness available on that plant, a 2D being, and it allow for me to experience also how does it feel to have consciousness in 1D from rocks, crystals, wood, water, and etc. Definitively all things have consciousness and are linked with each other in oneness. That does make quite a big distortion (illusion) the existence and separation of densities.
1D relates to existence, the process of change, and movement. Rocks are consciousness manifested and moving, but solid, ever-changing, and not aware like we are. 2D evolves to feelings, and group (pack) consciousness. Life forms have sensations, and particularly this relates to movement of 1D, such as soil, wind, warm, and 2D, food, and the species mates. Higher animals, pets, can feel even more. 3D evolves into self-reflection, ethics and duality (A versus B), 4D evolves in the type of service, love (self and/or others) and collective consciousness. And so on.... But I might be wrong....
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - CircleofOne - 10-13-2010
Thanks for that! Could you share any more about your understanding of 1D consciousness? It seems that a subjective sense of time at that scale would be much, much longer than our perception of it in 3D, so that millions of years wasn't some ungraspable amount.
I remember reading on erowid, I believe it was a derivative of a tree bark, that someone connected to a plant they had in their room, and wound up thinking of it as their 'daughter.'
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - Ali Quadir - 10-13-2010
(10-13-2010, 12:03 PM)irpsit Wrote: 1D relates to existence, the process of change, and movement. Rocks are consciousness manifested and moving, but solid, ever-changing, and not aware like we are. 2D evolves to feelings, and group (pack) consciousness. Life forms have sensations, and particularly this relates to movement of 1D, such as soil, wind, warm, and 2D, food, and the species mates. Higher animals, pets, can feel even more. 3D evolves into self-reflection, ethics and duality (A versus B), 4D evolves in the type of service, love (self and/or others) and collective consciousness. And so on.... But I might be wrong....
Well, if you are wrong, then so am I.. You point for point named my understanding. Including the rocks, including the pets.. Pets do this because they are "energized" by our presence. Just like we are energized in the presence of teachers. I once experienced the consciousness of a very old tree under the influence of a mushroom. That changed my whole perspective. I was shocked and surprised by the depth of it's experience. It was not shocked and surprised by my presence. But it was very aware of me. It did not have a sense of self or ego that I could detect.. It felt my hunger and fed me as a matter of course. It fed me as if it fed it's own hunger.
It was way more advanced a being than I had expected.
That put me to thinking, are we wrong in measuring an organisms "advancedness" by relating to it's mind and behavior? By what it can do in our world that has meaning to us?
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - CircleofOne - 10-13-2010
I think Ra spoke of trees as being some of the closest 2d entities towards reaching 3d levels of consciousness. I'm thinking back to Tolkien's LOTR works (I'm pretty sure he was unconsciously channeling some LOO concepts into his stories, makes me think he was a wanderer) and the various levels of tree consciousness in all forms. For me it puts the concept of mass deforestation into a better context. Like hunting whales (which are supposedly our 3D equals), wiping out trees and the consciousness embodying them would be very in line with a negative way of thinking.
How did the tree feed you Ali? Fruit?
RE: 1st Density climb towards consciousness - Ali Quadir - 10-13-2010
No, it was purely an energetic interaction. But it reminded me of an insect drinking from the stream of sap under the bark of the tree. The tree was a beech, and I did collect some seeds.