(10-15-2017, 12:08 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Is kundalini at green ray something we feel? Can we be sure about it? And once it reaches green ray, does it stay there?

(10-14-2017, 06:59 PM)Infinite Wrote: Thanks for all answers. Reading the material, I found this excerpt:

Quote:11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history that is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type planet or who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

This means that penetration in the eighth or intelligent infinity level  = become harvestable or ascension (independent of the Harvest).

In this topic was discussed that to penetrate in the in the eighth or intelligent infinity level it's necessary kundalini awakening. Anyone have your vision and the my now is that is necessary the kundalini to become harvestable.

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I have three questions now:

I - Is there difference between open the gateway to Intelligent Infinity and penetrate in the in the eighth or intelligent infinity?

II - Depending of the answer to the first question, the reports of perception the unity of All in meditation NOT indicates that the entity achived the ascension, but just open the gateway to  intelligent infinity right? Because I don't think that in all reports of samadhi for example, the entity become harvestable or capable of ascend. I see relationship with the Seven Initiations and possibly, open the gateway is the first initiation and the penetration is the last.

III - To become 51% STO don't need the penetration in the in the eighth or intelligent infinity right? It's just a requirement to be harvested in the end of the cycle or Harvest.

What you think about it?

(10-14-2017, 11:58 PM)Infinite Wrote: This excerpt can help to respond my third question:

Quote:50.8 Questioner: Thank you. How does the ability to hold visual images in mind allow the adept to do polarization in consciousness without external action?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not a simple query, for the adept is one which will go beyond the green ray which signals entry into harvestability. The adept will not simply be tapping into intelligent energy as a means of readiness for harvest but tapping into both intelligent energy and intelligent infinity for the purpose of transmuting planetary harvestability and consciousness.

The means of this working lie within. The key is first, silence, and secondly, singleness of thought. Thusly a visualization which can be held steady to the inward eye for several of your minutes, as you measure time, will signal the adept’s increase in singleness of thought. This singleness of thought then can be used by the positive adept to work in group ritual visualizations for the raising of positive energy, by negative adepts for the increase in personal power.

(10-14-2017, 06:59 PM)Infinite Wrote: I have three questions now:

I - Is there difference between open the gateway to Intelligent Infinity and penetrate in the in the eighth or intelligent infinity?

(10-14-2017, 06:59 PM)Infinite Wrote: II - Depending of the answer to the first question, the reports of perception the unity of All in meditation NOT indicates that the entity achived the ascension, but just open the gateway to  intelligent infinity right? Because I don't think that in all reports of samadhi for example, the entity become harvestable or capable of ascend. I see relationship with the Seven Initiations and possibly, open the gateway is the first initiation and the penetration is the last.

(10-14-2017, 06:59 PM)Infinite Wrote: III - To become 51% STO don't need the penetration in the in the eighth or intelligent infinity right? It's just a requirement to be harvested in the end of the cycle or Harvest.

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I would like to point out that quote is in relation to negative polarity entities becoming harvested.  If we are discussing the mechanics of a positive harvest relationship, that quote may be misleading as to the requirements to become harvested as a positive polarity being.

Quote:34.2 Questioner: Thank you very much. We’ll start general questioning now. You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates this experience? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: To answer your further questions:

I: Opening the Gateway to Intelligent Infinity is equated to basically, from Indigo Ray kundalini levels, the user attains a proper vibration that causes the Violet Ray to 'open like a gateway' where the kundalini of the user can then move into violet ray then, with further attempts to penetrate the above white ray chakra, if able to do so can contact intelligent infinity (supposedly directly through the physical incarnation, not sure about this though.)  So there is a difference.

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: II: This question is unintelligible to me

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Assuming you are asking if simply experiencing the opening of the Gateway (Violet Ray) is enough to ascend the octave, my answer is no, it is not enough, you must move further and penetrate the eighth chakra above the violet ray (the White Chakra), which is equated to penetrating into intelligent infinity.

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: III: This is correct.  Ra's quote you used in this post I quoted was in relation to sts polarity mechanics.  However, there does seem to be some mechanism of ascending the MAJORITY OF THE OCTAVE that seems to be linked with this kundalini penetrating the eighth chakra of intelligent infinity.  I think it becomes a judgment call by the user of that kundalini, they can choose to become harvested is the typical reward (or chose not to be harvested), but for some who seem to do it to a certain high level degree, they seem to have access to skip the majority of the Octave (such as in the book 'The Aaron, Q'uo Dialogues') and ascend right into 7D.

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: the main 'work' of the typical positive incarnation is to move kundalini into green ray and hold it there enough so to signal the violet ray aspect of the entity that it is ready to be harvested according to the already setup system.  That is the main point, all energy work above green is optional.  You're not asked as a typical person whom is trying to become harvested to do Work in Consciousness, you're only asked to, at the best of your ability to do so properly, provide unconditional love to others.

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: So to answer your third question again, yes, the sto polarity only needs to do two things:
Move Kundalini up into Green Ray and be able to maintain it there for a time.
Manage to do this with at least 50% of all interactions with others (and I assume the self too.)

(10-16-2017, 03:20 PM)anagogy Wrote: Opening the gateway is fully opening or unblocking the indigo center. You can 'crack open the door a little' without fully opening the gateway. The gateway is not fully unblocked until the violet ray is penetrated consciously. Experiences of playing with the gateway will cause indigo expressions, or manifestations of intelligent energy, because this is the intelligent energy level.

(10-16-2017, 03:20 PM)anagogy Wrote: A being may temporarily open the door, but not be able to handle the full Light of the Sun, due to not being suitably prepared in mind, body, or spirit, and retreat back to a lower level of consciousness. Like lighting a fire but there isn't enough spiritual fuel (spiritual mass) to keep the fire self sustaining.

(10-14-2017, 06:59 PM)Infinite Wrote: Actually, opening up the indigo center, alone, by itself, allows one to self harvest as well by use of intelligent energy. This is what negative adepts attempt to do, because they aren't interested in opening the violet ray center (it cannot be controlled from the ego and would result in switching polarity). They attempt to open the indigo center as much as they can, but not actually walk through it. They want power, not unity. So they seek unity only to the extent that it grants them more power.

(10-16-2017, 03:20 PM)anagogy Wrote: Harvest at the end of a cycle of 3rd density merely requires that the kundalini be raised and stabilized at the heart center.

(10-18-2017, 10:38 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Well Ashim, if you happen to ascend while still living, I hope you'll make a video and post it on the internet for all of us silly mortals who think such things are impossible

(10-17-2017, 07:28 PM)Infinite Wrote: So, there are TWO manner to become a 4D entity: be harvested or harvest yourself right? When kundalini is raised and stabilized at the heart center the entity needs WAIT the Harvest, while penetatrion in the intelligent infinity don't require wait. Is this correct?

(10-18-2017, 03:46 PM)Ashim Wrote: I think that's where we're going. I'm pretty sure that my body is healing. I can feel the atoms of my body being pulled towards the sun. I feel that Harvest is already a given for most now. There are so many helping hands in 4th density. Every aspect of my being has already died and become transformed. The requirements of 3rd density are no more. Ascension within a lifetime is possible.

(10-19-2017, 07:48 PM)anagogy Wrote: If one opens the indigo center (intelligent energy)

(10-19-2017, 07:48 PM)anagogy Wrote: The entity who stabilizes the kundalini at the heart center must wait till the end of the cycle to be harvested (because that is when the gateway to intelligent infinity opens).

(10-20-2017, 08:59 AM)Infinite Wrote: Do you see the indigo center as the itself gateway?

(10-20-2017, 07:19 AM)Quan Wrote:

(10-18-2017, 03:46 PM)Ashim Wrote: I think that's where we're going. I'm pretty sure that my body is healing. I can feel the atoms of my body being pulled towards the sun. I feel that Harvest is already a given for most now. There are so many helping hands in 4th density. Every aspect of my being has already died and become transformed. The requirements of 3rd density are no more. Ascension within a lifetime is possible.

Ashim in that statement  "atoms of my body being pulled towards the sun"  I find it especially for me is concentrated or peaks in the third eye a pulling and buzzing sensation.  Not sure if its what yo are talking about on harvest and ascension I just know Its like a wakeup call for me to become more present and take more of the experience in, being completely in the moment.

Quote:J: The process of the raising of the kundalini from the base chakra to the crown, is this an electrical process?

I am Q’uo, and though we find that it would be incorrect to describe this process as merely an electrical process, it is a process that contains the qualities of the movement of energy in a fashion which is similar to the movement of electricity through various circuits.

The south or magnetic pole of the seeker at the base of the spine and soles of the feet draws into the auric field of the seeker the catalyst or unprocessed experience which the seeker shall work upon according to its unique configuration of energy center blockages and clear circuit pathways. Thus, each seeker will perceive the daily round of activities in a manner which is congruent with this configuration of energy centers and will find its focus of attention drawn to the level or frequency of vibration that is appropriate for its current learning.

As succeeding energy centers or circuit areas within the energy centers of the seeker are opened and balanced to a minimal degree through a great portion of time and experience, the prana or love of the Creator will move further and further up the, as you have called it, path of the kundalini until there is the mating with the guiding light or Polaris of the self, where the seeker is already at one with the creation, so that an experience of conscious unity with the creation becomes available to the seeker.

This completing of the circuit of the series of energy centers has been described by many of your peoples using various terminology, the enlightenment, the contact with intelligent infinity, the nirvana, as some call it,

Thus, the seeker may be seen as a configuration of circuits or series of lessons and balances to achieve, with each day offering further opportunity to move the flow of love further along the inner pathways that will eventually culminate in the bringing into harmonic resonance each portion of the seeker’s being.

(10-20-2017, 07:22 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(10-20-2017, 07:19 AM)Quan Wrote:

(10-18-2017, 03:46 PM)Ashim Wrote: I think that's where we're going. I'm pretty sure that my body is healing. I can feel the atoms of my body being pulled towards the sun. I feel that Harvest is already a given for most now. There are so many helping hands in 4th density. Every aspect of my being has already died and become transformed. The requirements of 3rd density are no more. Ascension within a lifetime is possible.

Ashim in that statement  "atoms of my body being pulled towards the sun"  I find it especially for me is concentrated or peaks in the third eye a pulling and buzzing sensation.  Not sure if its what yo are talking about on harvest and ascension I just know Its like a wakeup call for me to become more present and take more of the experience in, being completely in the moment.

Yes. Just, no matter what, if you can access the stillness of an eternal moment, if for only the fraction of a blink of the eye, then, keep doing what you were doing. You will probably not experience being "completely in the moment" just yet, but make progressive inroads into a series of higher and increasingly denser mental spaces. 
You will know Intelligent Infinity when you feel it.
 

Quote:You ask this day about the indigo and the violet rays or energy centers of the energy body. Indeed, this is a very deep, almost bottomless, subject and we are happy to share our thoughts on this subject.

This instrument is in the process of looking for the keys to these two energy centers in that she wishes to retain the detailed discussion of these higher energy centers for another volume of this series that is being written. Therefore, there is the desire to move to the heart of the higher rays and in particular the indigo and the violet rays [in the present volume.]

The very heart of the function of these two rays has to do with who entities in third density are when they have been able to penetrate the surface of their lives and to move into the essence of their beings. You could consider yourself as a focal point or an interface in this regard. You have a physical body and a physical mind which ground you, more or less, into the world of the physical, third-density, consensus reality that you enjoy and in which you have your experiences and do your learning. Within you also is the one infinite Creator. In every cell of your body, in every vibration of your thoughts lives the one infinite Creator.

Yet, in terms of process, there is that sensation of needing to move from the outer world through the doorway into the inner world. Basically, you as entities are a living doorway, a living gate, an interface so that the one infinite Creator, in a far less distorted form than you can appreciate with your senses, can move in power into your life. Those known as Ra have described this function as being the gateway to intelligent infinity.

In order to approach this gateway, much work has already been done. For it is impossible to enter the gateway of indigo ray until the entity has gathered the entirety and the wholeness of its integrated self into the heart and has done the work of forgiving and falling in love with this integrated self, with its many perceived faults.

Therefore, we speak of those seekers who have achieved—either by gifts of the spirit or by a process of work in consciousness and the disciplining of the personality—the ability to yearn for and desire that essence of the one infinite Creator that can be pulled through that gateway and into the energy body which is interpenetrating the physical body, thereby bringing infinity and eternity into a finite environment

The model of this activity is that of what is known in the Buddhist world as kundalini. You have the infinite love and light of the one Creator streaming through the chakra system from the bottom up, feeding it with an infinite supply of light. This is the power and the energy with which you work in getting to know yourself, becoming friends with yourself, and working with all of the various aspects of physical life on Earth as you know it.

In itself, it is a powerful and infinite energy. And yet, as the seeker begins to mature he begins to have a yearning and a thirst for the immediate impact of divine light. Therefore, as the seeker becomes more aware of the true nature of his desire, he begins to be able to focus that desire and to set an intention to ask for the highest and best.

As the seeker does this on a continuing and intensifying basis, that gateway to intelligent infinity becomes clear. As that intensification persists, the gateway opens and the light of inspiration comes through to bless and fructify the fallow and waiting soul.

In the end you might see this expressing as a completed circuit. The bodily energy, having to do with incarnation and carefully enclosed within incarnation, is as the field that is planted and seeded and sown with this fructifying information-ridden love everlasting that, unlike the energy that streams from the bottom of the energy body upwards, has pointed and articulated information in the silence of that inspiration.

The energy coming through from the bottom of the chakras up is that energy which is yours to manipulate or distort, shall we say, in the ways that you find helpful, useful and beautiful. The divine inspiration that you call through the gateway of intelligent infinity is as a massive information-rich fountain that permeates you at the point at which your desire to seek has matched your intention to seek from above, as it were.

There is in this process a kind of self-abnegation. There is the realization that the mind does not have enough words, the heart does not have enough tears, and the being that expresses on the conscious level does not have the capacity, in and of itself, to understand what it is getting through the gateway of intelligent infinity. Consequently, this work is done in a state of unknowing.

That state of unknowing is usually achieved within your density only by a process of self-acceptance that can be lengthy. Self, as it expresses in waking consciousness, simply needs to be put to bed or moved away so that the self is empty and waiting.

(10-17-2017, 07:14 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(10-15-2017, 07:28 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I would like to point out that quote is in relation to negative polarity entities becoming harvested.  If we are discussing the mechanics of a positive harvest relationship, that quote may be misleading as to the requirements to become harvested as a positive polarity being.

I believe that it's a general rule. The question 34.2 seems to indicate this:

Quote:34.2 Questioner: Thank you very much. We’ll start general questioning now. You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates this experience? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

Quote:48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

Quote:Austin: Q’uo, I have one, but if there is anybody with a question related to the group question, they can ask it first. [pauses]

Okay, our friend E sent in a question that says: “In 49.5 Ra says to attempt to raise the locus of this kundalini meeting without realizing the metaphysical principles of magnetism upon which this depends, is to invite great imbalance.” My question is: how does one know that he or she has done enough work and is ready to explore kundalini energy? When someone feels various energy flows, specifically ones that are induced by breathing and movement meditative practices, what would be a way to explore and study these energies safely and without inviting imbalance, and what would be signs of danger?”

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. This is a substantial query with a great deal of preparation that we must make. You may look at your energy centers, red through violet, as a means of shining your light, shall we say, in short. When the Intelligent Energy of the One Creator moves from the Logos, from the Sun, to your energy field, the magnetic attraction of this energy through the red ray energy center, is that which begins your appreciation of catalyst in your life experience according to the choices that you have made previous to your incarnation. The lessons that you wish to learn are all embodied within various of the energy centers, and as the Intelligent Energy of the One Creator moves within your energy centers, you are then able to perceive it according to the, shall we say, coloration or choices made previous to the incarnation. This energy seeks to move upwards, arising into eventual union with the One Creator in the indigo ray energy center. For indeed, at this center, the crown is already upon the head and you are potentially, the Creator, for the Creator resides there waiting for your discovery.

As the energy moves into the red-ray center, it is concerned with that which may be described as the survival, in a physical sense, of your being, of your body, of your incarnation, as well as the reproduction, sexually speaking, of other entities perhaps, if you have chosen this service for this incarnation. As the energy moves further upward to the next center, the orange ray is that which is concerned with the individual expression of your power or your emotions on a one-to-one basis with other entities. When this has been accomplished to a sufficient degree to allow the energy to move higher, then the yellow ray energy center is that which is awakened, and which concerns itself with your expression and your energy upon a group level, with families, with communities, with the workplace, with teams and so forth.

If you are able to balance your energies in the yellow ray energy center to a sufficient degree to allow further movement, then the movement occurs into the heart energy center, the green ray center. This is that which expresses your energies upon a universal nature, in love that is given to all with no expectation of return. This may be seen as a steady state of the One Creator, for all is seen as that which is deserving of love, and able to give love. The giving and receiving here is balanced. This energy center is that which marks the harvestability of an entity within the third-density illusion. When you are able to open this center to a sufficient degree, and give more love than you receive, shall we say, then your harvestability grows nigh.

As the energy moves further into the blue ray energy center, communication is that quality here of an inspirational nature, that one is able to give in great abundance to those about one, again expecting no return. This is the first truly spiritual energy center, for it gives as does the Creator, freely and inspirationally and continuously. If the energies within this center are balanced and open, then the indigo ray energy center becomes available to the seeker of truth. Here lies the power of the One Creator. If this energy center may be opened, activated, balanced and then utilized to release the spirit as a shuttle into the violet-ray energy center, contact with the One Creator or Intelligent Infinity is possible.

This is the rising of the kundalini to its height, where the entity realizes itself as the One Creator. However, if at any lower energy center— most especially the magnetically charged in the, shall we say, negative sense, of the negative pole of drawing unto the entity energies of the red, orange or yellow centers— [have] not been balanced sufficiently to withstand the impact of the rising of the energy to the indigo center, then there will be imbalances in the experience of this energy as it moves into the indigo-ray energy center. These imbalances may be detected by an entity which has experienced some anomaly, shall we say, in the experience of the rising of the kundalini. The anomaly may be that which is confusing, is surprising, unexpected, and which gives one doubt. This is the sign of, not necessarily danger, but of imbalance.

One may investigate the nature of the lower energy centers by utilizing the catalyst which is present in the daily experience. We may say that it is frequent that these lower energy centers are sometimes not necessarily ignored, but not given the importance that they deserve, for it is seen as more, shall we say, grand or glorious, to work upon the higher energy centers, perhaps not working upon the negatively oriented centers , the red, the orange and the yellow, which are negative magnetically speaking, in that they draw unto the entity those energies of the Logos, the Intelligent energy.

Looking at your daily round of experience in the meditative state at the end of the day, is a good means by which to appraise the balance and the openness of these centers. Look, therefore, to those experiences that you have with others on a one-toone basis, also upon a basis of the individual self that you are in relation to groups in which you participate. Look to see the nature of the use of power in these two centers. Is there an attempt upon your part in any way to exercise, unduly, a power over others on an individual basis or upon a group basis, for this is where the imbalances can occur that would create a difficulty in the entity experiencing the free flowing of energy through all lower centers as it makes its way to the indigo center.

Quote:Gary: At a few different points in the Law of One, Ra describes the meeting point in the human energy system of the north and south pole spiraling energies, including:

• 49.5 “The measure of an entity’s level of ray activity is the locus wherein the south pole outer energy has been met by the inner spiraling positive energy.”

• 49.6 “Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height.”

• 73.10 “The upward spiraling light developed in its path by the will, and ultimately reaching an high place of mating with the inward fire of the One Creator.”

So, the first question, Q’uo, is: do these two distinct energies stop at the point of meeting in the energy system?

Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. As each energy proceeds from its point of origin to the point at which there is no blockage restraining its further progress, the energy does, indeed, stop at that point, and expresses itself as the either universal love of the heart, the inspiration of the blue-ray energy center, or the state of beingness, the magical nature of the indigo-ray energy center. If there is no blockage to these energies, then the energies may continue on into the, what you would call “white light of the eighth chakra,” that is, the chakra directly above the crown of the head. This is the contact with intelligent infinity that those of Ra have spoken of, and which is the product of the successful rising of the kundalini, shall we say. However, for most entities, the kundalini rises only to a certain point, this point being the point at which there is a blockage from the inefficient use of catalyst. The continued seeking and using of catalyst then, is the manner by which this blockage may be removed.

(10-19-2017, 07:48 PM)anagogy Wrote: However, if one opens the violet center (potentiated intelligent infinity), or even taps into the 8th level (unpotentiated intelligent infinity)

Quote:48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

Quote:When the entity has sufficiently cleared each of the energy centers within the physical vehicle, then it is possible for the entity to reach from indigo ray through violet to the eighth energy level, and contact those portions of the one  infinite Creator known as intelligent energy and intelligent infinity, the latter producing the experience of unspeakable joy as the entity knows the full presence of the one infinite Creator.

(04-29-2018, 10:34 AM)Infinite Wrote: Looks like the intelligent infinity is the eight energy level, so contact the intelligent infinity is contact the eight level. Where you found about a distinction?

(04-29-2018, 07:15 PM)anagogy Wrote: There is not much distinction: indigo is intelligent energy, violet is potentiated intelligent infinity, and the 8th level, is unpotentiated intelligent infinity.

Violet is perfect understanding of the created illusion (total oneness), 8th is perfect understanding of the background (Being) behind all illusions.

One is grasping the painting in full, the other is a blank canvas. One is perfect unity in differences, and one is total homogeneity. Anyway, these are the answers I have arrived with. If you  have found a different one, more power to you, my brother.  

(10-16-2017, 03:20 PM)anagogy Wrote: No. My understanding is that penetration of the 8th level allows a being to self harvest at will (walk the universe with unfettered tread). Actually, opening up the indigo center, alone, by itself, allows one to self harvest as well by use of intelligent energy. This is what negative adepts attempt to do, because they aren't interested in opening the violet ray center (it cannot be controlled from the ego and would result in switching polarity). They attempt to open the indigo center as much as they can, but not actually walk through it. They want power, not unity. So they seek unity only to the extent that it grants them more power.

Quote:11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history that is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type planet or who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

(05-09-2018, 04:47 PM)Infinite Wrote:

Quote:11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history that is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type planet or who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

This answer of Ra seems indicate a necessity of STS entities open the violet center to penetrate in intelligent infinity and harvest themselves. What do you think?

(05-09-2018, 05:18 PM)xise Wrote: If there is a distinction, it would seem the Ra passage applies to harvest outside of cycles and does not necessarily apply to cycle-based harvests.

• 3D Non-Cycle Self-Harvest: Penetrating into intelligent infinity (indigo/violet work). Available to all polarities is my understanding, despite being mentioned in reference to a question about STS. Good Ra material on this.
  
• 3D Cycle Positive Harvest: Service to Others configuration of at least 51% polarity. STO is about balanced energy centers/unconditional love, and frequently turns on the green ray, but overall Ra has said simply looking at positive entity's violet ray is basically all that is needed to determine the overall positive polarity. Not completely intuitive, but makes sense. Good Ra support for this.
  
• 3D Cycle Negative Harvest: STS doesn't have balanced energy centers, as it denies green and blue, so only the strength of the red/orange/yellow are looked at it. Opening the gateway to intelligent infinity is not required for 3D cycle negative harvest. Good Ra support for this.
  
• 4D Negative Harvest: STS must be able to open the gateway to intelligent infinity from the solar plexus chakra, or at least springboard from an overactive yellow ray to indigo strongly enough to open it. Good Ra material for this.
  
  
• 4D Positive Harvest: Opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity. Occurs naturally when STO polarity approaches 99% as massive amounts of energy move through the now nearly completely undistorted red, orange, yellow, and green rays, and minimally balanced blue. No direct Ra material for this.
  
• There is more Ra material on 5D harvest, but don't think this thread has touched upon it too much so won't list it out.
  

Quote:34.16 Questioner: Would the red ray, an intense red ray, then be used as an index for seniority, the seniority system of incarnation, as well as the intense violet ray?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive, the red ray is seen only as that, which being activated, is the basis for all that occurs in vibratory levels, the sum of this being violet-ray energy.

This violet ray is the only consideration for fourth-density positive. In assessing the harvestable fourth-density negative, the intensity of the red as well as the orange and the yellow rays is looked upon quite carefully as a great deal of stamina and energy of this type is necessary for the negative progression, it being extremely difficult to open the gateway to intelligent infinity from the solar plexus center. This is necessary for harvest in fourth-density negative.

Quote:90.19 Questioner: Then did our Logos hope to see generated a positive and negative harvest from each density up to the sixth, starting with the third, as being the most efficient form of generating experience known to It at the time of Its construction of this system of evolution?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.