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RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Stranger - 03-28-2016

Jade, I greatly admire your inner strength for surviving and remaining balanced and whole in this environment. I knight thee Dame Jade, Vanquisher of Terrible Catalyst.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Night Owl - 03-28-2016

Jade I think you may serve the purpose of greatly depolarizing your STS family members. From the day you decided not to give them what they want from you anymore they can only depolarize greatly unless they stop wanting anything from you which is unlikely. I think there is much more polarity involved with family than with anyone else you encounter in life because your lifepath depends a lot on family. The more this situation of not letting them control you will happen, the more depolarization will occur.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - YinYang - 03-28-2016

The result of a close encounter or life chapter with a highly polarised STS individual usually results in PTSD, since the level of fear they evoke is quite intense.

I have also studied narcissism and psychopathology quite seriously a number of years back, due to such a chapter in my life. While it was part of my healing to delve very deeply into this subject matter, it also left me very disturbed!

When I felt I sufficiently got my understanding under the belt (with which the Ra material was the most helpful... a life saver in fact), I had reached a saturation point, and switched back to inspirational spiritual literature as the last stage in my healing, as well as humorous, light-hearted fiction, just to lift myself out of it.

Some helpful books on the topic:

People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil

Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us

Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work

The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless versus the Rest of Us

The Narcissistic Family: Diagnosis and Treatment

Trapped in the Mirror: Adult Children of Narcissists in their Struggle for Self

There are many others, but these were the biggies for me.

My strategy to this day when I "sense something off" with someone, is avoid-avoid-avoid.... The eyes are the windows to the soul...

I know that only love disarms the opposite polarity, but I'm not quite there yet! I'll love them from a distance for the time being!


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Jade - 03-29-2016

Thanks again everyone. If anything, my experiences help reinforce my philosophy/desires to be service to others.

Quote:Jade, I greatly admire your inner strength for surviving and remaining balanced and whole in this environment.

My sister and I are such an interesting case study. We are barely 13 months apart, but we handled the catalyst of our upbringing in the totally opposite ways. My sister used the experiences to become meaner and shrewder. I used them to learn how to de-escalate situations.


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RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - YinYang - 03-29-2016

(03-29-2016, 11:49 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: I don't think loving advanced STS will change anything (although imo it's the right thing to do), avoid-avoid-avoid is wisdom in this case. Scott often said that love needed to be balanced with wisdom. Perhaps this folks are here to help us to see more deeply ourselves. Considering the huge impact such an encounter with a STS often have, i ask myself if it is something programmed by the higher self or karma or if it is something that could be avoided.

Such an encounter certainly results in tremendous self reflection, growth and wisdom, so I am grateful for the experience, even though it took me a loooong time to reach the grateful stage. It definitely speeds up spiritual evolution, if you survive it! Lol!

Quote:Questioner: Then prior to the forgetting process, there was no concept of anything but service-to-others polarization. What sort of societies and experiences in third density were created and evolved in this condition?

Ra: I am Ra. It is our perception that such conditions created the situation of a most pallid experiential nexus in which lessons were garnered with the relative speed of the turtle to the cheetah.

(03-29-2016, 11:49 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: I think this quote can also be applied for two physical entities :

Quote:67.26 Questioner: Then there is no other service that we can at this time offer that fifth-density entity of the Orion group who is so constantly with us. As I see it now there is nothing that we can do for him from your point of view? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity. There is a natural difficulty in doing so since what you consider service is considered by this entity non-service. As you send this entity love and light and wish it well it loses its polarity and needs to regroup.

Thus it would not consider your service as such. On the other hand, if you allowed it to be of service by removing this instrument from your midst you might perhaps perceive this as not being of service. You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

Yes that one, and this one as well:

Quote:Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

So the non-acceptance results is loss of polarity, but for them the alternative wasn't an option...


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RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Jade - 03-31-2016

That's the experience of the spirit:

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The white ("pure-looking") dog guards the path to the black temple, and the black dog guards the path to the white temple. You are talking about the "white dog". The STS path cares very much how it appears to others. They will often do nice things, even, excessively - but only because they know it ingratiates others to them, and they can call on a return favor. The STO path should not care so much about appearing "pure" - in fact, it was a lesson I got from Q'uo, that worrying about how one appears to others is a STS trait. The STO acts, with faith, that their actions will be well received even if they are acting outside of what society deems "proper".

I just had an experience of being the "black dog", in fact, I have a lot in my family. But a few days ago I was fired from my job, because a couple people had paranoid thoughts about me that spread amongst the whole group. Everyone thought I was stealing? Or something? It's really not clear, but the trust for me had gradually been eroded. It's really baffling when you go through day to day doing your best and working in the highest service, praying, invoking, etc, and then others see you as a "black dog". But that's what happens - when one works on purifying themselves as a mirror, others are able to project their bad judgements against themselves upon you as an external outlet. It's a test of faith to continue to go forth in doing what I believe is right, even if others decide to create a completely different narrative about me. To a group of people right now, I am a thief, a cheat, and a lazy liar who only cares about her pocketbook. My choices are that I can buy into their reality and think negative things about myself, or I can try to micromanage my actions so that I appear to do only STO/"good" things, or I can continue to act on my own accord with love in faith.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Stranger - 03-31-2016

Sorry this happened to you, Jade. When we are doing well on the STO path, we tend to attract attention from our STS other-selves who wish to help us grow spiritually by teaching us to overcome greater challenges. When they can't find any chinks in our armor of love, they sometimes resort to using others. People who are generally reasonable can suddenly begin spouting antipathy and false accusations. As you well know, it's all just a test to see if you'll give in and become like them, or remain your unconditionally loving self and let them play their silly games.

I know it's not fun when they are messing with your livelihood - but have faith that you are loved and looked after by the Brotherhood of Light, and their love is perfect and they will take good care of you, now and always. Ask, and you shall receive.

Perhaps this will even turn out to be a blessing, as you may find work that better allows you to express your wonderful intellect, insight and the desire to serve.

Wishing you tons of luck and success, dear Jade.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Jade - 03-31-2016

Thank you for the support and love, Stranger!! My heart sings from your post, truly. I may be a black dog, but within my white temple contains all my friends and supporters and people I love, which makes the journey there so exciting!!

There are three main efforts where I focus my energies: Taking care of my household family (husband and dogs), the insertion of myself with great energy here, and the giving of myself at my job, esp. to the random customers I serve, which is 95% of what my job entails. I take those roles very seriously and the feedback I get is (almost) nothing but positive. The carefully developed paranoia of my coworkers in a time of scarce resources (winter) was their own undoing, not necessarily mine. Now they are extremely short staffed, and the details revealed in my 'exit interview' will not make it easier on anyone in the short term. Unless, they decide to totally demonize me as the sole cause of their problems, then things will be better in the short term but not the long term. Tongue

I have no doubt this is a step to bigger and better things. I've wanted to move on for a while but I kept thinking, is my dissatisfaction merely going to follow me? Will I manifest these 'issues' elsewhere? So I worked on love, acceptance, love, acceptance. So, since I wasn't willing to take the step to make the change that I wanted for myself, it was made for me! Now to just keep praying for whatever to come next.... I'm flexible!


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Reaper - 03-31-2016

A true dark adept is on an entirely different level than the entitled a******* you run into at the store.

I have met one and only one, rooted in the upper echelons of a satanic organization. The order itself was a joke, comprised mostly of poor, bitter individuals who waved around daggers and talked about dark gods as a way of feeling powerful. This man, however, was capable of utilizing the energy created by this collective resource. He was practically worshiped by his subordinates, feared by even other very high-ranking members, though his outer appearance was friendly, laid back, and even philanthropic.

He was supposed to possess astounding psychic abilities, though I never saw any real evidence of it during the conversations I had with him. The truly impressive thing was his aura. His presence. When he was speaking there was nothing to do but listen. He filled whatever space he was in effortlessly, commanding the attention of anyone present. He never displayed his anger, yet the very thought of his wrath was enough to instill terror. Eye contact alone was enough to fill the soul with dread.

Never did I see him display the stereotypical behavior one would expect from an "STS" personality. He did a very good job of coming off as a genteel grandfather; however, I have no doubt that he was pulling many a string in that organization, and quite probably pulling just as many strings in the world at large. There were two or three others in that organization I feel were probably also in the same boat, but I never spoke personally with any of them.

Chances are, you could run into one of these individuals and never know it. If you truly want to sniff them out, look to places of power, not just in the stereotypical political sense, but within groups and organizations with a wide following and scope of influence. Charitable organizations are an especially good breeding ground for such types, as they enable one to gain influence behind the mask of philanthropy. There are well-known figures widely lauded as social justice warriors who are, in fact, pursuing far more selfish goals.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - BlatzAdict - 04-01-2016

(03-27-2016, 11:31 PM)im_not_me Wrote:
(03-25-2016, 12:29 PM)im_not_me Wrote: Jade I think you are very wise.

It is true, most STS don't even realize that/what they are, they often think nothing is wrong with them - sometimes even think they are perfect. I have many STS friends and it is hard, maybe impossible to convince them that they are so. I don't try to do that. I just give them the love they need, because that is truly what they ... need.
STS persons with integrity know how to hide and blend themselves very well, often very seclusive with who they share their perspectives and desires with. As someone mentioned earlier they don't go around flaunting and imposing their 'gangster' 'swag'. Not saying they don't have any swagger (and when I say that word I mean it as close to the literal definition as possible), they just often don't try to act cool.

Update 3/27/2016 @ 11:30PM: I decided to dedicate more time into my reply so here is some detail and a brief story about my STS friend.
From the STS persons I know, they each have a unique personality, and they don't need to act different, they just be themselves and it's sometimes really influential and does attribute to their characters some. The most successful STS person I know is very anti social, dangerous and has a very unique personality, although it is VERY difficult being their friend. I will try my best to go in detail here with respect to his privacy. He is a drugs and arms dealer. He likes death metal, favorite band is Slayer and Lamb of God. Big time Christian but is well aware the bible is a fraud, in fact he is super aware I guess I could say. A funny quote I can share from him was when we had a discussion about a loophole in the drug law, and I was being too meticulous and he wanted to end the conversation and move on and said "This whole country is a loophole". He hates other STS's. He hates STO's. He really is a genuine misanthrope, and I guess I could consider myself lucky to be his friend, again although it is tedious and requires alot of donate emotional energy. He isn't interest much in my interests but he does his best to find mutual interests. He has a very scarred love life and has trust problems with most women, he often doesn't know how to deal with it and requires alot of my help in that regard. He is quick to violence and has nearly killed me twice. One time I was in the car with him, and his car is a Porsche, and he was arguing with his long time lover after we had went to a concert, we were almost home and he had enough of the argument and decided to accelerate as much as possible and there was probably 900 feet until the road was a dead end. We sped to what felt like 90 MPH before he slammed on the breaks and luckily the car stopped just in time, must've been inches from death. Really depleted me when that happened. His lover was frantic and she even wet her pants. I would consider my friend under the 95% benchmark, but probably (and I don't have the best judgement so this is very approximated) is close. And sadly, I feel like when he does get there, I think he will probably die soon thereafter. He is very unpredictable and has lots of mental issues, sadly. I have the strangest feeling he programmed himself a very violent death. That, or his employer will kill him.


my life has been spent avoiding people like this. there is no way to help individuals who don't want to be helped. at first i thought i could intellectually violate free will, or by giving light i would be able to educate others as to higher predispositions. that i have found myself in failure multiple times in this attempt, perhaps it is just not possible. i used to think that by separation i would better work to not infringe on others with my big mouth. Then i thought why are we here and why did we come here to assist. Therein lies this paradox. To be of service or not to be of service.  For a while I thought okay instead of serving all what about serving those who are ready to expand. 

I met someone similar with a predisposition towards the dark though not in the same level that you describe. They were nonetheless highly interested in Law of One concepts, yet very willing to be outspoken about concepts more generally accepted. I understand these individuals to simply feel that way due to a lack of observation and an inability to move past events that had formative effects on the mind. Whenever replaying the same situation, it leads the individual to go through the same mental processes as what happened the first time in an attempt to rectify the situation, though without serious inner searching, this becomes really a long and narrow path for the few who can persevere.

i suppose that is the point of third density for wanderers to perpetually wander, i miss having comrades. perhaps that is where narcissim comes from? being used to a density where most people are in agreement with you and there are not many people who are unawares, so once coming to a limited state of energy, the same viewpoints and methods entirely cease to be sufficient or efficient anymore.

perhaps it is a social disconnect from Higher D to lower D functionings of energy communication. 

intellect can be alienating. because most people are just happy go lucky, i find it hard to stop being so serious as i see that as a lowering of the mental faculty. 


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - BlatzAdict - 04-01-2016

(03-29-2016, 11:49 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote:
(03-28-2016, 06:14 PM)YinYang Wrote: My strategy to this day when I "sense something off" with someone, is avoid-avoid-avoid.... The eyes are the windows to the soul...

I know that only love disarms the opposite polarity, but I'm not quite there yet! I'll love them from a distance for the time being!

I don't think loving advanced STS will change anything (although imo it's the right thing to do), avoid-avoid-avoid is wisdom in this case. Scott often said that love needed to be balanced with wisdom. Perhaps this folks are here to help
us to see more deeply ourselves. Considering the huge impact such an encounter with a STS often have, i ask myself if it is something programmed by the higher self or karma or if it is something that could be avoided.
I think this quote can also be applied for two physical entities :


Quote:67.26 Questioner: Then there is no other service that we can at this time offer that fifth-density entity of the Orion group who is so constantly with us. As I see it now there is nothing that we can do for him from your point of view? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity. There is a natural difficulty in doing so since what you consider service is considered by this entity non-service. As you send this entity love and light and wish it well it loses its polarity and needs to regroup.

Thus it would not consider your service as such. On the other hand, if you allowed it to be of service by removing this instrument from your midst you might perhaps perceive this as not being of service. You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

I added some links for those who don't want to buy a book    lol

https://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/the-psychopaths-emotions-what-does-he-feel/


i find this statement to be very valid "I don't think loving advanced STS will change anything (although imo it's the right thing to do), avoid-avoid-avoid is wisdom in this case. Scott often said that love needed to be balanced with wisdom. Perhaps this folks are here to help

us to see more deeply ourselves. Considering the huge impact such an encounter with a STS often have"


That is right on the money since one side is concerned with how their presence might affect others, and the other side is not concerned about it at all the mismatch in consideration may result in the furthering of the lack of consideration possibly even harming oneself or others.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - YinYang - 04-01-2016

(03-31-2016, 01:59 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Now to just keep praying for whatever to come next.... I'm flexible!

I'm also sorry to hear of your "misfortune" (refer to my story I posted recently about The Farmer's Son). If it makes you feel any better, we're in similar boats with the "between jobs" situation, mine has just been such a recurring catalyst throughout my career that I finally took notice!

And your catalyst certainly seems to be coming hard and fast!

Quote:Questioner: From that statement I interpret the following meaning: That if the Experience of the Mind has sufficiently chosen the right-hand path, as total purity is approached in choosing of the right-hand path, then total imperviousness from the effect of the left-hand catalyst is also approached. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is exquisitely perceptive. The seeker which has purely chosen the service-to-others path shall certainly not have a variant apparent incarnational experience. There is no outward shelter in your illusion from the gusts, flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.

However, to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance of challenges offered and opportunities to come. Thusly, the great pitch of light is held high above such an one so that all interpretation may be seen to be protected by light.

Wanderers are sensitive things (assuming you are one), so I wish you a speedy healing from this, and a great opportunity just around the next bend! Just keep the faith!


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - pumpkinsurf - 04-01-2016

(04-01-2016, 12:05 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: intellect can be alienating. because most people are just happy go lucky, i find it hard to stop being so serious as i see that as a lowering of the mental faculty. 

I can't remember where I read it, but just a couple of days ago I noted something from Q'uo or Ra that insinuated that people who are more attuned and intellectual can be more carefree and joyful... I believe it- the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know, and what can you do but just sink into the frivolity and playfulness of it all when you give in to that understanding of not understanding? So much fun to be had! Heart

And as far as loving STS people, I can see how it can be the right thing to do, but we can only go so far before we start to hurt ourselves, right? We can do what we are able, staying shy of martyring ourselves. We're doing our personal best, whatever that may be, in every moment.

Although, I'm wondering, if you have to leave someone in the ditch because you don't have it in you to help in that moment, would you consider that 'wrong'? I don't...

Jade, you're awesome. That you can be so objective when it comes to your own mother is really amazing. Also for staying strong throughout this tumultuous upbringing and becoming the cool chick you are today!


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - YinYang - 04-02-2016

(03-31-2016, 11:08 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The STO path should not care so much about appearing "pure" - in fact, it was a lesson I got from Q'uo, that worrying about how one appears to others is a STS trait. The STO acts, with faith, that their actions will be well received even if they are acting outside of what society deems "proper".

Jade can you remember which session this was? I definitely let myself be influenced by how others see me.


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Jade - 04-02-2016

I think I do, at least one in particular for sure. Let me find it.

Quote:The hope of entities who attempt to accelerate the rate of their evolution in spirit is to so live that the maximum amount of pressure is exerted upon the orb of self so that more and more and more of love may flow into or within the sphere or field of that which is your unique spiritual entity. Were you upon the path of service to self it would be important to study how to manipulate experience so that the balance point was not moved, but rather all energy would go to the perfection, or sheen, and the regularity of the sphere of being, these being attractant qualities. Because we speak to those upon the path of service to others, however, we assure each that it is not the point to attempt to look graceful or to seem centered, rather, dealing with times of feeling off-center or unbalanced the point is to make friends with this situation and involve the self in accepting and assimilating the growth, not with an eye to appearances but solely with the goal of so accepting and loving this discomfort of self that the stage is set for the process continuing.

After all, if you are scrambling out of a huge pothole in your spiritual road you cannot hope to look very graceful. Consider, you are being pushed from behind by Brother Fear, you have grown what little legs spheres might hope to wear so you may scrabble your way up to the surface of your spiritual path again. Where is it written that this posture is graceful? No, my friends, laugh and accept the sometimes grimy nature of the spiritual road with all its potholes. We mean by this to affirm that there is great use indeed in the disquieting experiences of being off balance, of being upset with the self, right up to the point where you as an entity have absorbed fully the material of the discomfort, have chewed through those issues that were part and parcel of removing you from your center. Indeed, to the spiritual seeker the straight and level road is a lovely thing but if it is endlessly peaceful and there is no perceived challenge the seeker turns and questions its path: is it learning enough? And it does well to do so for the seeker that asks, “Am I learning?” or, “Am I taking it easy?” is also moving into a potentiated desire for further catalyst, and that which is desired shall be received.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1993/1993_0425.aspx


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - YinYang - 04-02-2016

Thanks!

Quote:if you are scrambling out of a huge pothole in your spiritual road you cannot hope to look very graceful

I just laughed out loud, love these guys!


RE: Have you ever met STS people in real life ? - Nicholas - 04-02-2016

(04-02-2016, 11:59 AM)YinYang Wrote: Thanks!
















Quote:if you are scrambling out of a huge pothole in your spiritual road you cannot hope to look very graceful

I just laughed out loud, love these guys!

I also read this as Jade kindly shared it on the face book group also. And while reading the transcript on L/Ls page I burst into tears at the part about the pothole. I have been purging a lot of emotion right now so it doesn't take much to be reminded that the spade is in my own hand and I can get out of my own pothole simply by filling it back in, to expand upon the metaphor.  

A good example of how we experience the exact same thing, yet get a completely different experience out of it.   Smile

But back to the point of meeting STS. Its inevitable really unless we have a big social anxiety challenge to deal with. Closing the door to life and becoming ever more averse to the catalyst needed to break out of our own shells.

I had a nasty dream world meeting with an STS chap last tuesday night, although it may not fall into the "real life" context. Another Bring4th member has gracefully offered their ear giving me the opportunity to share things via pm. Thank you facettes!

In my dream I lived in a run down flat that was very dirty and probably played host to many a negative energy, I had just moved there and had friends round. My neighbours kept knocking to introduce themselves and they all seemed unbalanced and dysfunctional. The third time it happened I ignored the knocking and this male just banged and banged and bust the door in. He sat down and expressed his annoyance at being ignored. I asked him to leave and said I would invite him round another time. After he left I felt his negativity and decided to go back in time, kind of like remote viewing and entered into his own flat in the past. What I saw was this man disfiguring his chest with satanic symbols, using a knife. I immediately woke up to loud banging in the real world! I was sweating and frozen in my bed, frantically stroking my cat.

It turned out to be the police attempting to question a guy who lives beneath me, it was gone 1.30am at this point. My partner and I live in a largish house that was converted into 5 flats, we live at number 4 upstairs and this chap lives at number 1, beneath us. 

I was so relieved peering out of our bedroom blinds to see a police car!!!

Anyway, I immediately assumed that this was an STS encounter in dream world because of how s*** scared I was. 

But equally, maybe not.

I was a child the last time I had ever felt this way and so the next day after work, I sat with the memory and looked at it objectively. The banging door in my dream, watching a man carve neggie symbols into his chest that resulted in a banging door when I awoke reminded me of the scariest horror film I had watched when I was 10 years old, which was Nightmare on Elm Street. The lead STS character in that film was Freddie Krueger and he had the ability to go into peoples dreams, scare the hell out of them and then be brought through into real life by the degree of fear he induced in his subject, once they awoke. He would then carve them up with these makeshift scissor hands. So I visualised Freddie in my minds eye and sent him heartfelt love for the horrors that he had encountered as a child.

 The natural beauty surrounding us is breathtaking at times, so I assume that my appreciation for creation is perceived as a threat, or at least a nuisance. I never had a male role model in my life so when I sungaze it feels personal to me. My version of "The Father" is that reliable and consistent sun in the sky!!! My belief that the sun is conscious is 100% And our mum that grounds us all is sooo creative!!!

Had to finish my input on a positive note  Tongue