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RE: 7D candidate - unity100 - 05-26-2010
i will go over some other people's posts, since they touch various points.
(04-20-2010, 03:52 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:(04-20-2010, 03:01 PM)oguz Wrote: hey people,
i would like to tell a different thing.
nowadays i'm feeling that i'm at the end of 6D (as soul) and will graduate to 7D.
it may seem strange because even Ra isn't at that point. They say they're still 6D. But i feel able to be 7d being.
Are there any of you feeling same here?
with light
Oguz, are you making a joke?
If you are being serious, how can you "feel" anything other than 3D right now? We have come into duality to experience a dense body and the lessons and karma that are woven into the illusion we call reality. We have a veil that keeps us living in the third, while our 3D minds "learn" how to live with unconditional love and understanding, which is the basis of 4D.
he is probably serious.
first, you dont know what you came to do in this planet, until you can get in touch with your inner space, your higher self, or your aides and get some sufficient information, either directly in words, or, in understanding and feeling.
remember that most of the wanderers (65 million in 1980) are of 6th density, and therefore do not have anything to do with making a choice all over again, aside from initiating themselves. unless they regress, of course, but i dont think this would be a common occurrence thats noticeably large.
i would also like to drop a note that unconditional love and understanding is VERY unwise.
(04-20-2010, 03:52 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: At best, I would hope that many of us could reach a level of living that is similar to what we would find in 4D.
now, this is where manifesting and potential gets separated i believe.
since you will still be tied to a 3d body, which can also function in a 4th d environment, (at least in the opening stages, also remember how the change in bodies through generations were done in between 2d-3d switch of the planet in just a few generations, and notice how increasingly alien-like, and tall and more beautiful each new generation is lately - today's ordinary girls are more beautiful than 1960s sex icons for example) you will be subject to all the normal daily life and tribulations that would affect any 3rd or 4th density individual on this planet.
BUT, your soul, the unmanifested part of it will still belong to whatever density it belongs to, and will continue - well im dropping the 'your soul' nonsense here, since imo a person is his/her soul - your activities in unmanifested, astral parts of life, or in dreams, or in thought plane.
therefore, your manifesting part need not necessarily be your entire self.
(04-20-2010, 03:52 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: But for you to judge yourself while in 3D and announce that you feel you are ready for 7D seems very unusual to me. I always thought one would know their true "wanderer" status once they moved beyond the veil and ascended, which means we would have direct access to intelligent infinity and the Akash.
i dont think that will happen by starting to do telekinesis or levitation or going about turning dirt into gold. also notice that how Ra and other various sources have noted that there is no relevance in between the advancedness of an individual and such manifestations, and these psychic feats are linked to the utilization and activation of the brain/chakras, with necessary minimum preconditions.
there may be innumerable clues in lucid dreams, what you live through, your thoughts and your ideas and your reactions to events to clue what density you belong to, in my opinion.
and, even if you open all chakras and activate your all chakras, i dont think you would be able to act as a 6d entity while being tied to a 3d/4d body. body would still limit you, or, in best case, make all your actions consume more energy and be more tiring.
(04-20-2010, 03:52 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: So you have already done that while in 3D? If so, can you please explain how I can do the same?
Steve
uuuh, reach within yourself ? work with your aid circle (Spiritual guides, your higher self, whatever resources you have) ? after all they are the tailored solution for you and this particular incarnation, which you have agreed with before incarnation ?
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aaanyway,
i also have some suspicions like that guy who said he may be 6d going towards 7th. i had some dreams, with facets that suggested even further.
however my main suspicions arise from below :
most of the activity i get is at the top of my head. many interactions, effects, feelings i have come from that point, when i come up against people. also, i feel that i am leaning on my 2nd chakra, generally holding my breath ( i rarely breathe regularly) and the 'weight' of the world around me weighing against that chakra, and my 7th.
very rarely, i get feelings at 8th.
the previous life experiences i had, suggesting that i was lower in the 1st of 7th, kinda suggest these suspicions, but these are a long talk and quite personal.
i also experienced what Ra meant by 'sufficiently balanced entity is like a portable king's chamber' numerous times, in my interactions with other people. i may have remembered the balanced part there wrong tho, it may be another word.
anyway, i very much think its possible.
also, refer to the thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1243 ion conjunction with this, for it has some parallels in regard to 4th i believe.
(04-21-2010, 02:50 PM)Aaron Wrote: It/me was viewing through my eyes, feeling the wind and sunshine like I was. The I AM saw other people and our curious constructions (buildings, cities, places to eat, play, and work) and was fascinated and delighted by them. I understood on all levels that everything was love. Of course, "I" was still there the whole time. Little me saw all these things too and processed them in the way my little mind does.
I know now that what I did was ask my higher self to be present, and I showed myself to myself. It was an amazing experience. I think my higher self was showing me/us that the veil is indeed thinning and experiences like this are more possible now. The increased understanding slowly faded, and stopped when I drew near to home.
this sounds like an initiation.
RE: 7D candidate - unity100 - 05-27-2010
i had to make a correction to my above post : the number of wanderers in 1980 was not 30 million, it was 65 million.
RE: 7D candidate - Possibly_Significant - 08-22-2010
I don't want to doubt you, but at the same time i have a hard time believing you...
RE: 7D candidate - unity100 - 08-22-2010
it may not be too far off. with the amount of 6d wanderers on the planet, it is possible that a percentage of them may be closing on in 7d. remembering that Ra was, for example, already in late 6d, any wanderer from Ra would be even closer to 7d, if s/he achieved the progress s/he has been intending.
but, there may not be any reliable objective means to verify it. so, everyone's own perception will probably to his/her own.
RE: 7D candidate - Peregrinus - 08-22-2010
(05-26-2010, 07:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: and, even if you open all chakras and activate your all chakras, i dont think you would be able to act as a 6d entity while being tied to a 3d/4d body. body would still limit you, or, in best case, make all your actions consume more energy and be more tiring.
Unless I am incorrect, full activation of all rays will only come to that 3D entity by means of a continued enlightened state of consciousness, and hence a perpetual connection with intelligent infinity. At that point in time the physical 3D body will wane, being unable to use the energy which flows through it, like putting 220v through a 110v wiring system.
RE: 7D candidate - Protonexus - 08-22-2010
This is certainly an interesting thread.
There are a number of factors at play with incarnating into a 3d body and being simultaneously aware of other densities, particularly 6th and higher as described by Ra.
This entity which is now typing these words is sourcing thoughts from beyond the 3rd and transitioning them into these symbols which are representative of vibratory functions of the 3d human body. Of course subtleties and exactitude are lost in the translation, as is the case with Ra/LOO material.
This entity, or this one, to reference what is normally referred to as "I" is a terminology used to describe what is encompassed by the "I" and beyond. It is a normal function of this entity to switch off the self-identifier "I" and perceive/speak from a multitude of perspectives including the "I" of others. It is uncomfortable for most 3d centric Human Beings to hear speech in such a way that undermines 3d limitations so it is often the choice of this one to speak using the "I" as an identifier when encountering such beings. However, the members/guests here have elected to move beyond 3d and therefore it has been chosen not to refer to this particularly entity as an "I" or a limited set of perspectives. It will be revealed then, that this one has cleared information for the formation of the personality, ego complex, and self-esteem in order to make room for the processing of the transmissions of lighter density bodies. The veil prevents 3d centric human beings from seeing things that would damage their potentially fragile ego constructs before they are ready to let go. If no self-identifier is attached to the signal i.e. "This is me" the consciousness signal breaks through the veil relatively intact. This is the origin of the death and rebirth of ancient, and modern, prophets. It is not the 3d body that must die, rather the attachment of certain mental/spiritual patterns that must be ceased in order for the 3d body to become a fully functional antenna to receive consciousness signal. The obvious consequence of this is that behavior of this one may be regarded as in-human, it is an understandable perception.
This one has chosen to be born into a carefully prepared Human body for the purpose of experiencing the harvest from a 3d perspective that a majority of humanity will experience. The function is to record in multidimensional script the full experience of human ascension. From these words of causal reference to expandable crystalline holographs that literally allow an entity to re-live the moment in time/space. This is for the purpose that entities may utilize these experiences for teaching and learning without necessarily being born as a 3d human being or going through veiling. These experiences may be later relived with the option of experiencing with the veil and without to understand directly the effects of distortion on the 3d vessel. For simplification the self-identification system has recommended the following simile "I am like an intergalactic anthropologist studying quite directly the effects of polarization on Humans, from the very same genetic perspectives but while still having access to higher dimensional forms of perception. I am authoring a 'book' about Humans and your/our culture for those interested to experience without being born into this." Many are curious about humanity, but not all entities wish to experience this 3d world in full incarnation.
There are many options open, but to access many of them at this point in space/time would violate the contract of this incarnation and body. When existence is concentrated at the lighter densities, 6th for example, a body is a puppet or avatar. The feeling of a 3d entity that it is special or unique is usually irrelevant in the 6th. It is the receptivity of the 3d avatar via the energy matrix of the body (a.k.a. the Human Ascension system) that is important. If one wishes to implement a message into 3d from 6d then a translation is required, a most direct methodology is to find the correct 'prophet' - that is a 3d body that has an adequate system for receiving this message and translating it.
It is quite factual, as stated by Ra, that Ra has no real concept/perception of what is beyond 6d. 7d could well be the choice to be anywhere/anything or nothing, or both simultaneously. There are certainly 7d entities incarnated, perhaps even with 3d bodies, on Earth now. Ra is comprised of a multitude of beings that function as one. Each 6d wanderer is fully capable of accessing the logos of Ra within their own being. Ra has chosen to speak and actively interact with 3d centric entities, and has been appointed this task, primarily along side the Lucifer logos, another active inter-actor. Ra has spoken out, this does not mean that Ra is even close to being the most capable or poignant. Rather Ra has chosen to accept the consequences of presenting potential misinterpreted information to 3d vessels. Everything included in the LOO as delivered through Carla and company as the vessel(s) has a real and dramatic effect on 3d centric consciousness and Ra is held responsible through intrinsic karma as is Carla. Ra was of course directed to do this, as well as asked, however the energy flow cycles are clearly intersecting specific areas of 6d consciousness known as Ra.
Ra is not a singular entity, nor a personality. A social memory complex is a group of entities with essentially the same mind. These entities are not necessarily all of the same density focus or central nature. A social memory complex is a space/time grouping of overlapping crystalline patterns within an infinite potential matrix. This means that Ra may very well have a 3d body or collection of bodies which serve as hosts for the voice of Ra on Earth. Carla may be counted among those that host Ra, as the 3d body of this logos.
If the 6th density of Earth could be viewed in 3d, it would be similar to a human brain. A scalable processing complex made up of a vast array of complexes. Ra resides in the area occupied also by Lucifer logos that could be known as the "Catalyzing Humanity via Polarization" region. Equivalent to the frontal cortex of the human brain, Ra makes up a logical structure (a matrix) that acts to filter down the 7th density. The sixth density is one social memory complex, containing the condensed experiential memory of every life form past and present that is relevant to the gravitational center, the seventh is the alpha and the omega. That is to say, 7d entities are actually what 3d would consider the future, or timelessness. So a 7d centric consciousness has all of the 6th density as its translational matrix, including the "future" potential that has yet to in time/space. This means that Ra is a figment of the imagination of the 7th density.
Or whatever.
RE: 7D candidate - litllady - 08-23-2010
I think that many of us are 6density beings...and we had to come back here to make our choice of staying STS or moving forward. The choice of seeking for ascension, in my understandings from the Spirit is still a STS choice.
I discovered I didnt come here to 'seek to leave here'.
I came here to make a choice of offering to others (by being whatever the Spirit can use me as) or to continue in learning about the self, which is a STS choice.
The reason we come back to 3d for the choice is because with the veil, our choice will be true in what we are in need of, not what we 'want'. Most are still seeking what they 'want' or 'wish' for in the self...instead of seeking what they are in need of.
I have come to the idea that many are misleading others in the 2012 thing and ascension. I think ascension choice and seeking is very similar to what religions seek in their 'self salvation'...as in they are not seeking the path of others and willing to offer back to the Spirit the same offering the Spirit gave to them. But some are still in need of the path of self.
I think the reason we have so many here seeking new materials and ideas is because they know deep down they are here for a choice...they are just having trouble though offering themselves back to the Spirit, to the ALL...and are still attached to the 'self'. Its not a bad thing....but making the choice in a place which veils us allows the choice to be true of what we need.
Once I made my choice, I had a convergence with a higher self...a light body.
My son, I think made his choice in his past life to offer back to the Spirit whatever the Universal need for him could be to others. This is why his light body converged with him at the young age of 5. He said a light came out of the light being and went into him, his mind told him that this light that entered him, was a new life.
RE: 7D candidate - Peregrinus - 08-23-2010
(08-23-2010, 01:07 AM)litllady Wrote: I think that many of us are 6density beings...and we had to come back here to make our choice of staying STS or moving forward. The choice of seeking for ascension, in my understandings from the Spirit is still a STS choice.
I do not wish to be contradictory dear sister, and I see where you are going with this statement, but this is not in line with the Law of One.
Ra stated that it is rare for sts entities to choose to incarnate, and I would think this also included 6D sts entities.
Graduation from the sixth density does not require a choice or polarization. The choice (polarization to a specific requirement) is only required in 3D, though graduation out of fourth density will result in almost 100% polarity in either direction of the third density choice.
Sixth density is where polarity ceases to be required at all.
RE: 7D candidate - unity100 - 08-23-2010
(08-22-2010, 06:19 PM)Peregrinus Wrote:(05-26-2010, 07:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: and, even if you open all chakras and activate your all chakras, i dont think you would be able to act as a 6d entity while being tied to a 3d/4d body. body would still limit you, or, in best case, make all your actions consume more energy and be more tiring.
Unless I am incorrect, full activation of all rays will only come to that 3D entity by means of a continued enlightened state of consciousness, and hence a perpetual connection with intelligent infinity. At that point in time the physical 3D body will wane, being unable to use the energy which flows through it, like putting 220v through a 110v wiring system.
being of a certain density's nature and manifesting it fully are two different things as far as i get it.
so, i dont think anyone would be able to stay for prolonged periods of time in such states. 3d/4d body would probably not be able to handle it.
(08-23-2010, 01:07 AM)litllady Wrote: I think that many of us are 6density beings...and we had to come back here to make our choice of staying STS or moving forward. The choice of seeking for ascension, in my understandings from the Spirit is still a STS choice.
I discovered I didnt come here to 'seek to leave here'.
I came here to make a choice of offering to others (by being whatever the Spirit can use me as) or to continue in learning about the self, which is a STS choice.
this isnt the only planet in the galaxy, leave aside universe. this isnt the only place where good can be done. this isnt the only place where there are entities in need of help. help is not a slavery contract.
(08-23-2010, 01:47 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: Graduation from the sixth density does not require a choice or polarization. The choice (polarization to a specific requirement) is only required in 3D, though graduation out of fourth density will result in almost 100% polarity in either direction of the third density choice.
as far as i understand it, a lot of 6d entities are here also for balancing love and wisdom. ra was saying that they need to balance wisdom with love in 6d. but still there may be entities that are needing to balance excess love with wisdom in 6d, depending on their development model. so basically work of 6d is the balance of these two aspects. but, this may or may not reflect directly to the graduation requirement.
ie, for example, the work of 2d is progression of the self, self's needs. but when this progression is complete, the entity understands that it is a separate entity that exists. the work of 3d is increasingly realizing that there are other entities than itself, and choosing an orientation towards them (post veil), then when this work is complete, the entity engages in 4d love activity. work of 4d is accepting, understanding, feeling and so on, it involves increasing amounts of sacrifice, but, when the threshold is reached, the entities pass to 5d according to their desire and aptitude to start learning about the ways of light, way things work, and so on.
so then i suspect that, the graduation requirement from 6d, probably wont be directly related to the work in 6d. the work in 6d will bring the entity to that threshold point i assume.
so in short, we know that work of 6d involves balancing love and wisdom, but, we probably dont know what the graduation requirement is.
RE: 7D candidate - Peregrinus - 08-23-2010
(08-23-2010, 04:33 AM)unity100 Wrote: so, i dont think anyone would be able to stay for prolonged periods of time in such states. 3d/4d body would probably not be able to handle it.
This is what I was saying. All enlightened masters have not remained in this plane for very long, after they reach that sustained conscious state, due to the physical body waning very quickly.
(08-23-2010, 04:33 AM)unity100 Wrote: as far as i understand it, a lot of 6d entities are here also for balancing love and wisdom.
Agreed this is one of the reasons, though our interpretation may not be general. Some may be working very strongly with love and compassion, others very strongly with wisdom, seeking the very difficult lessons which cannot be learned on the middle path.
(08-23-2010, 04:33 AM)unity100 Wrote: so then i suspect that, the graduation requirement from 6d, probably wont be directly related to the work in 6d. the work in 6d will bring the entity to that threshold point i assume.
so in short, we know that work of 6d involves balancing love and wisdom, but, we probably dont know what the graduation requirement is.
Since the removal of distortion in both love (4th) and light (5th) have already been attained, the removal of distortion caused by the blending of love and light (6th) is the goal for graduation. This is The Law of One.
RE: 7D candidate - carrie - 09-25-2010
This question requires some discernment.
If you are a Channeller or getting external information, you may wish to challenge the entity in similar way to how Carla does her channelling.
There is an excellent book, A Channeller's guide for more information
http://www.llresearch.org/library/a_channeling_handbook_pdf/a_channeling_handbook.pdf
RE: 7D candidate - Peregrinus - 09-27-2010
One further point of discernment. If the wanderer is 6D, then it is it's own higher self, and as such the acting higher self will be the totality complex.
RE: 7D candidate - unity100 - 09-27-2010
i think there would not be an 'own higher self' status in regard to entities higher than 3d, or, wanderers incarnating in 3d. what Ra says, is that for entities higher than 3d, mind/body/spirit complex totality of the individual, and, of the society complex it belongs to, acts as higher self.
RE: 7D candidate - Peregrinus - 09-29-2010
(09-27-2010, 02:35 PM)unity100 Wrote: i think there would not be an 'own higher self' status in regard to entities higher than 3d, or, wanderers incarnating in 3d. what Ra says, is that for entities higher than 3d, mind/body/spirit complex totality of the individual, and, of the society complex it belongs to, acts as higher self.
This is what I tried to convey, obviously clumsily . Thank you for clarifying the point dear brother
