+- Bring4th (https://www.bring4th.org/forums)
+-- Forum: Bring4th Community (https://www.bring4th.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=16)
+--- Forum: Olio (https://www.bring4th.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=7)
+--- Thread: perceiving God (/showthread.php?tid=10585)
RE: perceiving God - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
You seem the type to believe everything you do is wise, so woopty.
RE: perceiving God - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
Also, what about an "I believe in ______" option? My belief is pretty amorphous.
RE: perceiving God - Adonai One - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:05 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: You seem the type to believe everything you do is wise, so woopty.
This genetically inbred corpse I call my body prevents wisdom from existing within it due to inept breeding practice; Humanity being so inbred it is only wise to see that it is incapable of wisdom not able to seek it without causing atrophy and decay of the mind.
RE: perceiving God - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:09 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:05 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: You seem the type to believe everything you do is wise, so woopty.
This genetically inbred corpse I call my body prevents wisdom from existing within it due to inept breeding practice; Humanity being so inbred it is only wise to see that it is incapable of wisdom not able to seek it without causing atrophy and decay of the mind.
And what does a healthy mind look like?
RE: perceiving God - Enyiah - 03-18-2015
I gather that 'God' is equal to Source or would it be equal to Cosmic Life Force or are all these terms equal?
RE: perceiving God - Adonai One - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:12 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote:Death is not feared for itself or others; Seen as spilling water in an infinite ocean.(03-18-2015, 04:09 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:05 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: You seem the type to believe everything you do is wise, so woopty.
This genetically inbred corpse I call my body prevents wisdom from existing within it due to inept breeding practice; Humanity being so inbred it is only wise to see that it is incapable of wisdom not able to seek it without causing atrophy and decay of the mind.
And what does a healthy mind look like?
RE: perceiving God - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:33 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:12 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote:Death is not feared for itself or others; Seen as spilling water in an infinite ocean.(03-18-2015, 04:09 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:05 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: You seem the type to believe everything you do is wise, so woopty.
This genetically inbred corpse I call my body prevents wisdom from existing within it due to inept breeding practice; Humanity being so inbred it is only wise to see that it is incapable of wisdom not able to seek it without causing atrophy and decay of the mind.
And what does a healthy mind look like?
So a healthy mind is one which is comfortable with death?
RE: perceiving God - bosphorus - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:18 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I gather that 'God' is equal to Source or would it be equal to Cosmic Life Force or are all these terms equal?
God refers to the Creator considered to be outside the Universe. However in some cases (as truth), God covers also all the created.
God/Source = (Energy Outside the Universe and the created) + (Cosmic Life Force)
| |
God/Source = That Which Is (panentheism) That Which Is Not
That Which Is + That Which Is Not = One/God/Source
All those parts are unseparable. Since everything is derived from God, which is basically, Pure infinite energy.
RE: perceiving God - Adonai One - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:39 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote:So far that there is no concept of the self dying or not dying: Death seen as empty of meaning; all seen as well as Ra would say.(03-18-2015, 04:33 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:12 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote:Death is not feared for itself or others; Seen as spilling water in an infinite ocean.(03-18-2015, 04:09 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:05 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: You seem the type to believe everything you do is wise, so woopty.
This genetically inbred corpse I call my body prevents wisdom from existing within it due to inept breeding practice; Humanity being so inbred it is only wise to see that it is incapable of wisdom not able to seek it without causing atrophy and decay of the mind.
And what does a healthy mind look like?
So a healthy mind is one which is comfortable with death?
RE: perceiving God - Matt1 - 03-18-2015
God, Consciousness, Awareness, self , environment ,other-self, love/light are all the same.
RE: perceiving God - AnthroHeart - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:43 PM)bosphorus Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:18 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I gather that 'God' is equal to Source or would it be equal to Cosmic Life Force or are all these terms equal?
God refers to the Creator considered to be outside the Universe. However in some cases (as truth), God covers also all the created.
God/Source = (Energy Outside the Universe and the created) + (Cosmic Life Force)
| |
God/Source = That Which Is (panentheism) That Which Is Not
That Which Is + That Which Is Not = One/God/Source
All those parts are unseparable. Since everything is derived from God, which is basically, Pure infinite energy.
I can imagine That Which Is Not being quantum probabilities. Such as a Universe with anthros, or a cartoon universe.
RE: perceiving God - isis - 03-19-2015
I believe in God, the Daddy Almighty, the Maker of Heaven and Earth.
And in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary, suffered unto Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell;
the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Daddy Almighty;
From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.
Amen.
RE: perceiving God - Raz - 03-19-2015
I once asked Creation if I was talking to God, or just talking to myself. The answer I got back was, "YES"
RE: perceiving God - lovecast - 03-19-2015
i wanted to vote by not voting, but it didn't give me that option, i tried to submit the poll w/ no choise, but it disallowed me ... the red pill or the blue pill ... what about no pill? ... so this failing, i then tried to select ALL the choices, again, this did not work, it only allowed me to choose one & only one from the list ... again a perceived limitation of my beingness ... but then again these are not words, only symbols of words, they are not the thought, the thought is gone, yet remains ... can you count this as my vote please ... for what it's worth, everything & nothing ... my choice is not to choose & then be ALL. (if i was to pick only one & only one, the last choice would come closest ... it would have been better if u left one choice as totally empty/blank, i would have submitted that one, or even just put a choice there w/ the integer "1" & nothing more ... better than "(One)" i feel, "one" as compared to "1" is taking us further from the truth i feel rather than closer, if u get what i'm saying here...). thanks for sharing & listening ... i love you all ... how could i not?
RE: perceiving God - Splash - 03-19-2015
(03-18-2015, 01:40 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(03-18-2015, 01:31 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: Why? So you don't have to deal with the way it is now?
I have no whys. I have relieved The Significator in my life. I have no purpose as I have accepted everything as purposeful to the point it's trivial, a truism.
I am dealing: I followed the racial mind, acquired a wife and I subside; People come to me with problems and I remind them of mental health and why a mind requires bodily inactivity if you don't wish to see it atrophy and decay. My life simply mirrors the initial confederation message of meditation and seeing all as well.
You "acquired" a wife ?
?
RE: perceiving God - Enyiah - 03-19-2015
Okay, I voted but then again I do not see the difference between :
I perceive Creator as both God and Cosmic Life Force
Panentheism + Cosmic Life Force (One)*
How is Cosmic Life Force = to ''that which is not God/Source''? Then how would one define Cosmic Life Force?
Maybe I should have waited before voting because I'm still not clear on this.
RE: perceiving God - lovecast - 03-19-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:43 PM)bosphorus Wrote:(03-18-2015, 04:18 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I gather that 'God' is equal to Source or would it be equal to Cosmic Life Force or are all these terms equal?
God refers to the Creator considered to be outside the Universe. However in some cases (as truth), God covers also all the created.
God/Source = (Energy Outside the Universe and the created) + (Cosmic Life Force)
| |
God/Source = That Which Is (panentheism) That Which Is Not
That Which Is + That Which Is Not = One/God/Source
All those parts are unseparable. Since everything is derived from God, which is basically, Pure infinite energy.
i would add to this, before there is "Pure Infinite Energy" there is "Infinity". But Yeah, i like how you put this, it's helpful to me ... it all hinges on our definitions of the words for "IT" doesn't it? ... the concept of "god-ness" is so ethereal, that its difficult to pin down, for me it's best to just go within & commune, then relate what is from within to what is the perceived external & entrain them so they vibrate as one (i suppose this is what we mean when we talk about "communing with nature") ... no need for words, thoughts, definitions, ect. ... it always seems to work for me & that is my concept of "god-ness" for what it's worth ... thanks for listening & sharing ... i love you all, how could i not?
RE: perceiving God - lovecast - 03-19-2015
(03-18-2015, 01:40 PM)Adonai One Wrote:you say, "... My life simply mirrors the initial confederation message of meditation and seeing all as well. " ...(03-18-2015, 01:31 PM)AngelofDeath Wrote: Why? So you don't have to deal with the way it is now?
I have no whys. I have relieved The Significator in my life. I have no purpose as I have accepted everything as purposeful to the point it's trivial, a truism.
I am dealing: I followed the racial mind, acquired a wife and I subside; People come to me with problems and I remind them of mental health and why a mind requires bodily inactivity if you don't wish to see it atrophy and decay. My life simply mirrors the initial confederation message of meditation and seeing all as well.
WOW, i love it! perfect! my sentiment exactly ... thanks for sharing & listening ... love you all ... how could i not?
RE: perceiving God - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
I am God too, so all my experiences are equally valid.
So this is what it's like to be God.
With a veil of course.
I don't know unconditional love.
RE: perceiving God - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
I don't believe in the Christian God.
You can't anthropomorphize God.
RE: perceiving God - Shemaya - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 10:47 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I am God too, so all my experiences are equally valid.
So this is what it's like to be God.
With a veil of course.
I don't know unconditional love.
God with a veil, lol! The joke is on us.
I think unconditional love is the boundless love we give to ourselves. It's just your body that doesn't know unconditional love. The real you knows exactly what unconditional love is. And the real you loves your physicality unconditionally.
RE: perceiving God - isis - 03-19-2015
Very confusing poll. I'm surprised anyone has voted. I voted for "I believe in God" but I feel that doesn't explain how perceive God...
I believe all is one/God...so does that mean I should have voted for Panentheism? or Panentheism + Cosmic Life Force (One)? or I perceive Creator as both God and Cosmic Life Force...?
RE: perceiving God - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
Yeah, there were 4 I could have picked.
But not Panentheism + Cosmic Life Force (One).
Because Panentheism contains it all.
RE: perceiving God - bosphorus - 03-19-2015
a passage from conversations with God. God explains perfectly the existence
Yes. Let me explain it to you this way:
In the beginning, that which Is is all there was, and there was nothing else. Yet All That Is could not know itself—because All That Is is all there was, and there was nothing else. And so, All That Is… was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is, is not.
This is the great Is/Not Is to which mystics have referred from the beginning of time.
Now All That Is knew it was all there was—but this was not enough, for it could only know its utter magnificence conceptually, not experientially. Yet the experience of itself is that for which it longed, for it wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was impossible, because the very term “magnificent” is a relative term. All That Is could not know what it felt like to be magnificent unless that which is not showed up. In the absence of that which is not, that which IS, is not.
Do you understand this?
I think so. Keep going.
Alright The one thing that All That Is knew is that there was nothing else. And so It could, and would, never know Itself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The “Is-Not Is.” The Am-Not Am.
Still, the All of Everything chose to know Itself experientially.
This energy—this pure, unseen, unheard, unobserved, and therefore unknown-by-anyone-else energy—chose to experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. In order to do this, It realized It would have to use a reference point within.
It reasoned, quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence.
And so All That Is divided Itself—becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this, and that which is that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was neither.
Thus, three elements suddenly existed: that which is here. That which is there. And that which is neither here nor there—but which must exist for here and there to exist.
It is the nothing which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. It is the all which holds the parts.
Can you understand this?
Are you following this?
I think I am, actually. Believe it or not, you have used such a clear illustration that I think I’m actually understanding this.
I’m going to go further. Now this nothing which holds the everything is what some people call God. Yet that is not accurate, either, for it suggests that there is something God is not—namely, everything that is not “nothing.” But I am All Things—seen and unseen—so this description of Me as the Great Unseen—the No-Thing, or the Space Between, an essentially Eastern mystical definition of God, is no more accurate than the essentially Western practical description of God as all that is seen. Those who believe that God is All That Is and All That Is Not, are those whose understanding is correct.
Now in creating that which is “here” and that which is “there,” God made it possible for God to know Itself. In the moment of this great explosion from within, God created relativity—the greatest gift God ever gave to Itself. Thus, relationship is the greatest gift God ever gave to you, a point to be discussed in detail later.
From the No-Thing thus sprang the Everything—a spiritual event entirely consistent, incidentally, with what your scientists call The Big Bang theory. As the elements of all raced forth, time was created, for a thing was first here, then it was there—and the period it took to get from here to there was measurable.
Just as the parts of Itself which are seen began to define themselves, “relative” to each other, so, too, did the parts which are unseen. God knew that for love to exist—and to know itself as pure love—its exact opposite had to exist as well. So God voluntarily created the great polarity—the absolute opposite of love—everything that love is not—what is now called fear. In the moment fear existed, love could exist as a thing that could be experienced.
It is this creation of duality between love and its opposite which humans refer to in their various mythologies as the birth of evil, the fall of Adam, the rebellion of Satan, and so forth.
Just as you have chosen to personify pure love as the character you call God, so have you chosen to personify abject fear as the character you call the devil.
Some on Earth have established rather elaborate mythologies around this event, complete with scenarios of battles and war, angelic soldiers and devilish warriors, the forces of good and evil, of light and dark.
This mythology has been mankind’s early attempt to understand, and tell others in a way they could understand, a cosmic occurrence of which the human soul is deeply aware, but of which the mind can barely conceive.
In rendering the universe as a divided version of Itself, God produced, from pure energy, all that now exists—both seen and unseen. In other words, not only was the physical universe thus created, but the metaphysical universe as well. The part of God which forms the second half of the Am/Not Am equation also exploded into an infinite number of units smaller than the whole. These energy units you would call spirits. In some of your religious mythologies it is stated that “God the Father” had many spirit children. This parallel to the human experiences of life multiplying Itself seems to be the only way the masses could be made to hold in reality the idea of the sudden appearance—the sudden existence—of countless spirits in the “Kingdom of Heaven.”
In this instance, your mythical tales and stories are not so far from ultimate reality—for the endless spirits comprising the totality of Me are, in a cosmic sense, My offspring.
My divine purpose in dividing Me was to create sufficient parts of Me so that I could know Myself experientially. There is only one way for the Creator to know Itself experientially as the Creator, and that is to create. And so I gave to each of the countless parts of Me (to all of My spirit children) the same power to create which I have as the whole.
This is what your religions mean when they say that you were created in the “image and likeness of God.” This doesn’t mean, as some have suggested, that our physical bodies look alike (although God can adopt whatever physical form God chooses for a particular purpose). It does mean that our essence is the same. We are composed of the same stuff. We ARE the “same stuff”! With all the same properties and abilities—including the ability to create physical reality out of thin air.
My purpose in creating you, My spiritual offspring, was for Me to know Myself as God. I have no way to do that save through you. Thus it can be said (and has been, many times) that My purpose for you is that you should know yourself as Me.
This seems so amazingly simple, yet it becomes very complex— because there is only one way for you to know yourself as Me, and that is for you first to know yourself as not Me.
Now try to follow this—fight to keep up—because this gets very subtle here. Are you ready?
I think so.
Good. Remember, you’ve asked for this explanation. You’ve waited for it for years. You’ve asked for it in layman’s terms, not theological doctrines or scientific theories.
Yes—I know what I’ve asked.
And having asked, so shall you receive.
Now, to keep things simple, I’m going to use your children of God mythological model as a basis for discussion, because it is a model with which you are familiar—and in many ways it is not that far off.
So let’s go back to how this process of self-knowing must work.
There is one way I could have caused all of My spiritual children to know themselves as parts of Me—and that was simply to tell them. This I did. But you see, it was not enough for Spirit to simply know Itself as God, or part of God, or children of God, or inheritors of the kingdom (or whatever mythology you want to use).
As I’ve already explained, knowing something, and experiencing it, are two different things. Spirit longed to know Itself experientially (just as I did!). Conceptual awareness was not enough for you. So I devised a plan. It is the most extraordinary idea in all the universe—and the most spectacular collaboration. I say collaboration because all of you are in it with Me.
Under the plan, you as pure spirit would enter the physical universe just created. This is because physicality is the only way to know experientially what you know conceptually. It is, in fact, the reason I created the physical cosmos to begin with—and the system of relativity which governs it, and all creation.
Once in the physical universe, you, My spirit children, could experience what you know of yourself—but first, you had to come to know the opposite. To explain this simplistically, you cannot know yourself as tall unless and until you become aware of short. You cannot experience the part of yourself that you call fat unless you also come to know thin.
Taken to ultimate logic, you cannot experience yourself as what you are until you’ve encountered what you are not. This is the purpose of the theory of relativity, and all physical life. It is by that which you are not that you yourself are defined.
Now in the case of the ultimate knowing—in the case of knowing yourself as the Creator—you cannot experience your Self as creator unless and until you create. And you cannot create yourself until you uncreate yourself. In a sense, you have to first “not be” in order to be. Do you follow?
I think…
Stay with it.
Of course, there is no way for you to not be who and what you are—you simply are that (pure, creative spirit), have been always, and always will be. So, you did the next best thing. You caused yourself to forget Who You Really Are.
Upon entering the physical universe, you relinquished your remembrance of yourself. This allows you to choose to be Who You Are, rather than simply wake up in the castle, so to speak.
It is in the act of choosing to be, rather than simply being told that you are, a part of God that you experience yourself as being at total choice, which is what, by definition, God is. Yet how can you have a choice about something over which there is no choice? You cannot not be My offspring no matter how hard you try—but you can forget.
You are, have always been, and will always be, a divine part of the divine whole, a member of the body. That is why the act of rejoining the whole, of returning to God, is called remembrance. You actually choose to remember Who You Really Are, or to join together with the various parts of you to experience the all of you—which is to say, the All of Me.
Your job on Earth, therefore, is not to learn (because you already know), but to re-member Who You Are. And to re-member who everyone else is. That is why a big part of your job is to remind others (that is, to re-mind them), so that they can re-member also.
All the wonderful spiritual teachers haw been doing just that. It is your sole purpose. That is to say, your soul purpose.
RE: perceiving God - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
If we experienced that which is not, would we find it scary?
RE: perceiving God - bosphorus - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 01:40 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we experienced that which is not, would we find it scary?
That which is not is Cosmic Life Energy stated by physicists as the Dark energy in the universe
RE: perceiving God - Raz - 03-19-2015
I have come to feel that if it moves, it *is* not...
RE: perceiving God - Enyiah - 03-19-2015
Quote:bosphorus:When I read this (quote) I felt clear about my vote.
That which is not is Cosmic Life Energy stated by physicists as the Dark energy in the universe
Neale Donald Walsh is not one of my personal fav's. He claims his ''conversations'' are with God. I do not believe it is true.
He may be sharing what he perceives as truth via his Higher Self but I definately do not believe he converses with God on a one to One basis.
RE: perceiving God - Cyanatta - 03-25-2015
None of the above, really.
"According to one perspective, one cannot actually speak of the One, because to speak of it is to make an object of it, implying separation from it, so misrepresenting the essence of Oneness from the start, a mysterious conundrum."
- Taken from a book called "Quadrivium"
RE: perceiving God - AnthroHeart - 03-26-2015
Even a finite god is still infinitely more powerful than I am. The Logos that created the Universe was not Infinity. So I am free to speak of the One as best I can. It might not be the eternal One, but as close as humanly possible to perceive it. Even that One I can love.