(01-12-2015, 02:54 AM)Minyatur Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 01:09 AM)Learner Wrote: Maybe you ought to study existing channeled material from negative entities first before trying to call them. 

That's a good idea, I've read something called "Confessions from an elite family insider" which was in the form of question & answer on some forum. This is what lead me to the Ra material as someone compared the material to what he was saying. The insider said the Ra material was 85% accurate and I still wonder which 15% he was reffering to as inaccurate, my guess would be how negative entities are portrayed. I'll do my reasearch, as of now my contacts with negative entities where always to hinder my spiritual growth but I've reached a point I simply notice them and they hold no power over me, so I doubt I could get constructive results.

Quote:12.15 Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in [an] alternating way, one, then the other, [inaudible] back to [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

(01-12-2015, 10:09 AM)Enyiah Wrote: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/dialogue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

(01-12-2015, 10:09 AM)Enyiah Wrote: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/dialogue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

(01-12-2015, 12:46 PM)jody Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 10:09 AM)Enyiah Wrote: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/dialogue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

Thank you Enyiah. 

I was also led to the Ra material via this. What I was wondering specifically is how he knew that "he was a she". I dont recall reading that. 

(01-12-2015, 02:05 PM)Ashim Wrote: He's a she, for the record.
No, it was not mentioned in the discourse, along with other important facts, such as the make of car he/she drives (it has tinted windows).

Shortly after spending weeks reading over both the H_H and the Ra material things began to get quite challenging for me.

Interesting that some people get a positive "vibe", yet others a distinct negative when this subject is brought up.

(01-12-2015, 02:16 PM)jody Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 02:05 PM)Ashim Wrote: He's a she, for the record.
No, it was not mentioned in the discourse, along with other important facts, such as the make of car he/she drives (it has tinted windows).

Shortly after spending weeks reading over both the H_H and the Ra material things began to get quite challenging for me.

Interesting that some people get a positive "vibe", yet others a distinct negative when this subject is brought up.

How do you know Ashim? I'm very curious. 

(01-12-2015, 02:20 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I could have easily done it myself.

(02-15-2015, 10:00 AM)Stranger Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 10:09 AM)Enyiah Wrote: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/dialogue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

From what I've seen (and I haven't read through the entire "document"), it follows the typical STS pattern of mixing lies with enough truth to make the lies believable and the entire thing "resonate" to the unwary; and using the result to shift attitudes and behaviors towards STS.  So far: Yahweh is not the Logos.  The Logos is the original thought, which is Love.  Yahweh (the second entity to take that name, according to Ra) is an STS would-be enslaver of Earth.  Every time "Hidden Hand" refers to Yahweh as the Logos, they are repeating a lie.  Why? Perhaps to alienate people from the Logos, who is our Creator and our true Self, by tainting the word itself by association with negativity, and to make themselves seem less negative by association.  Regardless of motive, it's an ongoing absolute falsehood throughout the document, which, at a minimum, calls into question every other statement in it.  Those who have discernment will notice other themes, such as idea that negativity is a "necessary evil" (used by just about every dictator to justify enslavement and oppression), and very noble; and that you can be loving and positive while creating suffering on every scale.

Part of the spiritual seeking process is the initial grasping at straws, where one doesn't know what's true and what's false - before one develops discernment and understanding.  That is the stage where people can be relatively easily mislead into paths that do not serve their best interests.  It would be helpful on a board such as this to alert people to these issues whenever STS material is explicitly referenced.

(02-15-2015, 10:34 AM)Bluebell Wrote: people have to learn discernment for themselves in the end, but i agree; neggie lies can really confooze a n00b. i remember how gullible i was, & sometimes i still am.  

(02-17-2015, 01:08 PM)Bluebell Wrote: i didn't mean offense. though doesn't everything piss them off?

shy&insecure sounds like Kanye, though i think his handlers make him act that way, he seems very insecure. i wanna hug him.