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RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 01:29 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Perhaps negative is the wrong term. Perhaps anti-desire? I feel like both are things that we pull towards ourselves. One is with conscious intent, while the other is with unconscious intent.Desires tend to be mostly unconscious here. Whether we like something or dislike something we don't tend to know why really. If we did, we wouldn't be here. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 More than fear or anxiety I'd be worried about anger. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 01:43 AM)rie Wrote: More than fear or anxiety I'd be worried about anger.We work mainly on projections here about how things "should be". Anger is merely a failed projection. When projection can no longer serve as a vehicle to structure the (emotional) energy to our awareness, that energy can start disrupting the body. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion. I use other terminologies and explanation of emotions as I am of a different theoretical orientation than you are, but I understand & accept your point. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - GentleReckoning - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 02:56 AM)rie Wrote: Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion. <.< >.> To veins in one's forehead. *woosh* RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 Hogey: re: wizard of oz analogy... do we get to keep our ruby slippers? lol Why did Ruppert and Wilcock change their position from one extreme to the other? Is their hopeful view more of a reflection of how being on one end of the fear/hope spectrum shifts to the other extreme? It's a bit iffy to me when someone does that, although I see it done many times by many people. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 10-18-2012 Rie what are you talking about? and who's Ruppert? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Meerie - 10-18-2012 (10-17-2012, 03:37 PM)marielle Wrote: ..... Here, Oceania ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 07:48 AM)Meerie Wrote:(10-17-2012, 03:37 PM)marielle Wrote: ..... has DW changed his mind too? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - hogey11 - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 03:24 AM)rie Wrote: Hogey: re: wizard of oz analogy... do we get to keep our ruby slippers? lol I think it could be fear of no changes, but I also think it could be the opposite as well. If either of them has been given solid proof that our reality will change in fundamental ways and that no preparation actions or lawsuits are going to affect us in that change, it would make sense that they back off the speakerphone and stop living with one foot in one room and the other in the opposing room. As far as David is concerned, i'll throw up a few quotes from his last two articles: Quote:A QUANTUM LEAP He is continuing on working on his books and conferences tho, so I don't think he's in the 'sudden teleportation' group; rather he's more in the 'earth changes' group imo... another quote: Quote:GUIDED TO RADICALLY CHANGE THE PLAN Make of it what you will ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Spaced - 10-18-2012 Very cool. I'm really glad he's finally made that realization! RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 02:56 AM)rie Wrote: Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion.Anger is an attachment to something rejected. Usually we attempt to put distance between the object of anger and our consciousness. So the associated emotion has no route to consciousness. If you reject it consciously, you may polarize negatively. (10-18-2012, 03:24 AM)rie Wrote: Hogey: re: wizard of oz analogy... do we get to keep our ruby slippers? lol If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Patrick - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 12:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-18-2012, 02:56 AM)rie Wrote: Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion. Can't we just accept the anger and then release it completely? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 I think it depends on the depth of anger. It seems to be an emotion that is very easy to be stuck in without release. When I work with people with deep anger issues I found it just leads to whole lot of venting and no movement. As sensei Zenmaster mentioned there's a whole lot of issues around rejection... and abandonment, self worth, feeling unlovable etc. Viewing self as unlovable is ultimately (in my experience and opinion) the most difficult to work with because the person has low "ego strength" to be able to self-sooth and process their anger issues. (10-18-2012, 12:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote: If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim. The line by line analysis is interesting. I see that a lot and wondered whether his interpretation was colored by his wishfulness for a certain future. It felt like he was selling me something. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 01:04 PM)Patrick Wrote:We must first be able to bring the conditions which elicited the emotion to consciousness. Only then can we acknowledge and accept it. You can't accept an unconscious reaction.(10-18-2012, 12:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-18-2012, 02:56 AM)rie Wrote: Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 This is a great way to release anger : http://youtu.be/79gzdskOGu4 RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 10-18-2012 what's low ego strength? how do you fix it? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - hogey11 - 10-18-2012 Quote:If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim. Can you give me an independent thought then? Why do you insist on cutting others down like this? David is doing what he is called to do. Why do you show this resentment towards him? Has he hurt you in some way? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Cyan - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 04:58 PM)hogey11 Wrote:Quote:If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim. Honey, it is zenmasters function. =) Edit: do you scream at the bedpost for being there for you to hit your toe on. Maybe for the first 3 seconds until you realise how pointless it is. It is, quite literally, a zenmasters duty to cut others to little pieces. Take no offence at it anymore than jumping into a meatgrinder should make you feel offence at the meatgrinder. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 04:48 PM)Oceania Wrote: what's low ego strength? how do you fix it? People who have low ego strength are very confused about who they are. Some reject themselves, others may not like themselves very much. It's difficult for them to validate themselves. It's hard to have self-understanding or self-acceptance... and hard to understand and accept other people. It's hard for them to find inner coping system to calm them down when they feel stressed or distressed. Just think about... self-knowledge. Having a good understanding of yourself and accepting who you really are... and loving yourself unconditionally. There are many ways to reach this point and that depends on the person's preference. Therapy, meditation, going to healers... might take a lifetime, might be rather quick. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 10-18-2012 yeah... or just pop pills. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - hogey11 - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 05:06 PM)Cyan Wrote: Honey, it is zenmasters function. =) My higher self screams at me to defend others, so I will do so. It kills me to stand by and allow it. Sorry, but I stand by my challenges to zen. I see no honor in 'cutting others to little pieces' when they are 3rd parties and not even part of the conversation. There is far too much ego involved with that. It's too 'elite' for me. It's very easy to come off as an authority when nobody is there to answer. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 05:27 PM)Oceania Wrote: yeah... or just pop pills.That's OK if it helps! RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - GentleReckoning - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 04:58 PM)hogey11 Wrote:Quote:If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim. Agreed. There is great value to simply being able to aggregate efficiently. In fact, judging by the success and value placed on those that aggregate in our society I would bet that it is of great value to us as a species. However, I would say that there is no reason to delve into zenmaster's motives. His post is fine, as is yours. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 05:30 PM)hogey11 Wrote: My higher self screams at me to defend others, so I will do so. It kills me to stand by and allow it. Sorry, but I stand by my challenges to zen. I understand that... had experienced that myself in my athena complex-ness. It's interesting to see what "defending others" really is... not everything we do or are compelled to do is straight-forward to defend honor. You are reacting to a catalyst. I don't think it's your higher self... RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - GentleReckoning - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 04:48 PM)Oceania Wrote: what's low ego strength? how do you fix it? http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5672&pid=101201#pid101201 It's super effective! RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Cyan - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 05:30 PM)hogey11 Wrote:Something once said to me:(10-18-2012, 05:06 PM)Cyan Wrote: Honey, it is zenmasters function. =) "Dont get your hands dirty shoveling that s***, you'll just smell bad too." RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - hogey11 - 10-18-2012 I get fired up because David has admitted his past wrongs, yet people like zen continue to crucify him for them. I find great value in watching people grow. When that is ignored and instead negativity is heaped upon instead, I get upset. I am no claiming I have no catalyst to work through, but you gotta understand that my FIRST inclination is to sit down and shut up. That would be far easier, but I speak up because I feel Zen's opinion is not fair on many levels. It's not fair to David's progress as a human being (of which zen would have no knowledge as he despises the guy). I have gained much from David's work, and therefore I defend him. I just don't expect him to be perfect and to never change who he is. @cyan Someone's gotta shovel the s*** (i appreciate the use of the word "too" as well). My goal in this life is not related to cleanliness. I'd rather do the hard work required. If that means I create conflict at times, I gotta deal with that. Also, is my question to zenmaster so unfair? If he is able to cast such judgement on others, shouldn't he have something to say for himself? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - reeay - 10-18-2012 Of course it's great that he is progressing and having that conscious realization of what he had been doing (and not listening to his higher self). But the issue isn't about what someone did to DW or said about him. It's about your reaction to the situation that is the most important. This situation in this thread is a feedback system showing you something important, about you. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Cyan - 10-18-2012 (10-18-2012, 05:41 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I get fired up because David has admitted his past wrongs, yet people like zen continue to crucify him for them. To clarify, i agree with your question in its content, simply not with its usefulness. I see you more as being right but screaming at the grand canyon. |