(06-08-2015, 12:51 PM)Splash Wrote: Monica - did you look at the information at the Médecins Sans Frontières link?

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: Q. Are these other ingredients in vaccines safe?
A. Yes.

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: Q. Why are these other ingredients in vaccines?
A. Each ingredient has a specific function in a vaccine. These ingredients have been studied and are safe for humans
in the amount used in vaccines.

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: This amount is much less than children encounter in their environment, food and water.

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: Formaldehyde.
Formaldehyde is used to detoxify diphtheria and tetanus toxins or to inactivate a virus. The tiny amount which may be left in these vaccines is safe. Vaccines are not the only source of formaldehyde your baby is exposed to.
Formaldehyde is also in products like paper towels, mascara and carpeting. Our bodies normally have formaldehyde in the blood stream and at levels higher than in vaccines.

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: Q. Do vaccines contain mercury?
A: Almost all childhood vaccines do NOT contain any mercury. Methylmercury, which is found in fish and other animals (including humans) can be toxic and lead to adverse effects in humans. Thimerosal, a mercury -based preservative, was removed from most childhood vaccines in 2001.

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: In some cases, a tiny amount of thimerosal remains. The remaining amount is so small, that it is not possible for it to have any effect.

(06-08-2015, 01:14 PM)Splash Wrote: Valid scientific studies have shown there is no link between thimerosal and autism. In fact, autism rates have actually increased since thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Medical Association (AMA), theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention CDC, and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that science does not support a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism.

(06-09-2015, 02:44 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I love how pratically everyone said they were out of this thread but end up coming back.

(06-09-2015, 03:25 PM)Monica Wrote: 3D Medicine: cut/poison/burn, causes harm (to varying degrees) along with its 'therapeutic' effects, has side effects (due to poisons), causes over 2 million hospitalizations and 106,000+ deaths each year, catalogs diseases, considers health to be the absence of identified diseases, focuses on physical/chemical even in cases of mental/emotional issues, focuses on death (killing disease, destroying tumors, etc.) rather than life

4D Medicine: Vibrational, harmless, never any sides effects, restores the blueprint for life, strengthens the immune system, considers diseases to be imbalances, which are then balanced through diet, lifestyle, and emotional/mental/spiritual adjustments, balances the whole mind/body/spirit complex, focuses on life rather than death

(06-09-2015, 03:31 PM)Minyatur Wrote: That's what I thought yesterday that wasn't so apparent, all that you say is mostly toward leaving behind the old 3D system to move on to 4D. 

The old ways are fading away and new ways are to take their place!

Quote:To quote Steve Adler, founder of Sacred Chocolate:

This is truly a very dark time for California. I am deeply saddened by the fact that California recently passed a law enforcing the vaccination of children attending public or private school. The reality is that microbes can't be controlled. They will always mutate. That is why MORE and MORE and MORE vaccines are always developed. THIS IS HUGE BUSINESS FOR BIG PHARMA. THEY KNOW THAT. To QUOTE JESHUA (JESUS) in regards to this reality from "The Keys of Jeshua" (chap. 4) by Glenda Green: "It may shock you to know that all the world's bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation and manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and recombinations for 3 billion years! Any bacterium -- at any time -- has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA recombinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria, resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely. Life forms are ever-changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life everlasting."
That being said, I believe that our right to choose should not always only be a personal choice. We MUST look out for the good of all and the health of all when we choose and that is precisely why I will stand UP for my rights and the rights of all in this case. There is NO EVIDENCE that this is necessary for the good of all, and in fact, all the study and research that has been done in a non-biased way and that has not been funded by people profiting off of vaccinations and big drug companies has shown this to be the case. So PLEASE involve yourself and your community in this issue and let's set this straight FAST! 
This was supposedly brought on by a measles outbreak at Disneyland leaving 100 people sick. First of all people are coming to Disneyland from all around the world, it is a germ haven and we'd be best to boost our immune systems, not destroy them with vaccinations. Listen to the part in this interview that talks about how measles was once described as a mild disease and then after the vaccine marketing launched the medical text book description changed to describe it as much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpVmmPbd4Sk
I'm not a person who follows conspiracy theories, nor do I usually get too involved with politics or debates. For me, all that takes you out of the heart. What sets me off though is when my heart knows there is an injustice occurring. I will get involved in the SOLUTIONS to this predicament, and I'll see you there on the front lines of CHANGE by the People, for the People.
If you want more education on this look up: "Immunization - The Reality Behind the Myth" by Walene James | "Vaccines are they Really Save and Effective? by Neil Z. Miller | "Make an Informed Decision" by Meyer Eisenstein (pages 175-180 specifically deal with the Meningitis vaccine being pushed on 7th graders) - Look up papers or Lectures by Dr. Adiel Tel Oren as well to understand more about the real side effects, risks and damage that these vaccines are doing. There would not be over 100 publications on the dangers of vaccinations if there was not something to be looked at here.

Quote:Mick and Kirsten Button’s daughter Saba was just 11 months old when she received the Fluvax shot in April 2010. The then toddler suffered a hypoxic brain injury, kidney, liver and bone marrow failure. She can now no longer walk and talk and needs round-the-clock care.

Three days after Saba was admitted at Princess Margaret Hospital, Fluvax was recalled. It is now banned for children under five. Her parents launched legal action against the vaccine’s manufacturer CSL which then launched a cross-claim against the State of WA and the Minister for Health.
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“Her life expectancy has been significant shortened,” he said. “Her disabilities are profound and permanent. She will require constant care for the remainder of her life.”
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After Saba was admitted to hospital in 2010, it emerged there had been more than 100 adverse reaction presentations to the vaccination at PMH that flu season.

But this information wasn’t passed on to the general public until after Saba was in the intensive-care unit. An independent inquiry found “serious deficiency’’ in reporting processes and slow responses by both state and federal authorities. It also concluded the Department of Health’s Communicable Disease Control Directorate was “informed of a significant rise in adverse reactions in early April 2010, but did not take any further action while they gathered data’’.

Quote:A woman who became the first person to die of the measles in the U.S. in 12 years had been vaccinated against the disease, it has been revealed.
Health officials said she had the injection as a child but succumbed because she had a compromised immune system.
Dr. Jeanette Stehr-Green, the Clallam County health officer, told KOMO-TV the woman had been vaccinated as a child, but because she had other health problems and was taking medications that interfered with her response to an infection 'she was not protected.'

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: It's rather impossible to talk about these issues not only bc there's distrust of science and little examination of data available (that shows a lot of contrary points to what's being said here), but heightened emotional charged as evidenced by hyperboles and whatnot. It's like personal distortions of similar kinds magnetize and create an oil-and-water division.

Quote:3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement, approximately, if you had enough faith, you could say to a mountain to move and the mountain would move. I assume this is approximately what you are saying, and I am assuming that if you are fully aware of the Law of One, then you are able to do these things. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

Quote:23.15 Questioner: I was really questioning more about the more basic cause of the disease rather than the mechanism of its transmission.I was going back to the root or thought which created the possibility of this disease. Could you shortly tell me if I am correct in assuming that the general reduction of thought over the long time on planet Earth with respect to an understanding of the Law of One created a condition in which this— what we call disease could develop? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and perceptive. You, as questioner, begin now to penetrate the outer teachings.

The root cause in this particular society was not so much a bellicose action although there were, shall we say, tendencies, but rather the formation of a money system and a very active trading and development of those tendencies towards greed and power; thus, the enslaving of entities by other entities and the misapprehension of the Creator within each entity.

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: If our technologies and practices allow for early detection we can lower risk of injury.

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: If you have an outbreak, pharma stands to make more money from treatment and equipments they sell to the health care industry (which is a much larger share of their profits to begin with). It's cheaper to prevent illness and to be healthy.

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: Lastly, this issue around how we care for the immunocompromised (people who's immune system is too weak to tolerate live viruses) due to things like cancer treatment, the very young yet to be vaccinated, and under or un-vaccinated people such as pregnant women. Without the protection that is afforded to buffer them from illness (and sure, some don't believe in herd immunity), how are we going to protect them? In our advanced society, we have better health thanks to our food availability and health care, but we face potential risk in life-long, debilitating complications from illness and potentially disrupting the normal developmental path of children who are not vaccinated. That said, whatever literature is going around claiming how vaccinated kids are being affected by vaccines... tell me how pollution, how medications, environmental toxins that we are all exposed to on a continuous basis both in and out of our mothers' wombs would be less of a factor than vaccines in illnesses such as Autism Spectrum Disorder or other illnesses.

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics.

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: ...just vaccine up the yin-yang bc it's in accordance with their 'standard of care.' Easy way to do business but doesn't consider the patient at all. That's a tragedy.

(06-08-2015, 01:30 AM)Splash Wrote: ....Could we possibly come to a loose agreement that research towards vaccine safety needs to continue but that the most important measure to stop epidemics is vaccination for the main lethal diseases, and that an unvaccinated world population will produce PANDEMICS ?

Can we agree that education and transparency must be increased...  that we need to look into homoeopathy and greater vaccine safety - but primarily that we focus on improving safety - not advocating that people stop vaccination?

Can we agree that we have no idea of the harrowing experience of living with constant Epidemics that is the daily life or daily fear of a majority of people in 3rd world countries? and that we have no idea what it is like to experience the disease and death that occurs because of extreme poverty, polluted water, and continual Epidemics... ?

Lets put aside notions of conspiracy/big pharma/etc and realise this whole dialogue between us all is being had with full stomachs, access to ER's, via the luxury of electricity, close by clean running water... and sanitary bathrooms/toilets ?

Lets agitate for more and more accountability from government and medical personnel..  not advocate overall rejection to all vaccines...

(I've said it before).. but if the illuminati (exists) and wants to reduce the population - anti-vaxx are playing right into their hands with this advocacy...

I hear the parents who experienced the change in their child... I care -  I've looked after their child - 8 hrs a day 5 days a week... (some still think it was the vaccine..but most now don't).

I maintain that there's no point in having an unvaccinated "undamaged" child living in a world where diphtheria/cholera/ebola - etc is only a plane ride (or 2) from infecting them when they go to the local mall...


Lets shift all this 'right-fighting' to SOLUTIONS.. lets work together on B4 forums to discuss with each other constructive ideas/ plans of action (think global ACT LOCAL) and stop criticising each other  - and complaining about our (perceived) lack of power

and lets brainstorm/co-create research/accountability/ transparency to the best extent we can in our immediate environments etc

because this (like the meat issue) is going to go on and on and on and on... sapping energy, taking us from constructive offline activism.

(btw: I'm very interested in homeopathy/water imprinting 4D medicine and energy healing modalities ) (I'm an Usui Reiki 'practitioner' since 1994


Monica and indolering... if you have spare time at any point during your day, would you have a look at this link and learn about the numerous programmes in 3rd world countries to save lives through vaccination? If not.. okay... but if yes.. that would be really good...

http://www.msf.org/topics/vaccination

when you scroll to the bottom of the page there are individual articles you can go to.. and many many pages to go to...

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this is the "About" information for 'MSF':

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is an international, independent, medical humanitarian organisation that delivers emergency aid to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural disasters and exclusion from healthcare. MSF offers assistance to people based on need, irrespective of race, religion, gender or political affiliation.

Our actions are guided by medical ethics and the principles of neutrality and impartiality.

A worldwide movement

MSF was founded in Paris, France in 1971. Its principles are described in the organisation's founding charter. It is a non-profit, self-governed organisation.

Today, MSF is a worldwide movement of 24 associations, bound together as MSF International, based in Switzerland.

Thousands of health professionals, logistical and administrative staff – most of whom are hired locally – work on programmes in some 70 countries worldwide.

Humanitarian action

MSF's work is based on humanitarian principles. We are committed to bringing quality medical care to people caught in crisis, regardless of race, religion or political affiliation.

MSF operates independently. We conduct our own evaluations on the ground to determine people’s needs. More than 90 per cent of our overall funding comes from millions of private sources, not governments.

MSF is neutral. We do not take sides in armed conflicts, we provide care on the basis of need, and we push for independent access to victims of conflict as required under international humanitarian law.

Bearing witness and speaking out

MSF medical teams often witness violence and neglect in the course of their work, largely in regions that receive scant international attention.

At times, MSF may speak out publicly in an effort to bring a forgotten crisis to public attention, to alert the public to abuses occurring beyond the headlines, to criticise the inadequacies of the aid system, or to challenge the diversion of humanitarian aid for political interests.

Quality medical care

MSF rejects the idea that poor people deserve third-rate medical care and strives to provide high-quality care to patients. In 1999, when MSF was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the organisation announced the money would go towards raising awareness of and fighting against neglected diseases.

Through the Access Campaign, and in partnership with the Drugs for Neglected Diseases initiative, this work has helped lower the price of HIV/AIDS treatment and stimulated research and development for medicines to treat malaria and neglected diseases like sleeping sickness and kala azar.

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"We Can Work It Out" The Beatles

Try to see it my way
Do I have to keep on talking till I can't go on?
While you see it your way
Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone
We can work it out
We can work it out

Think of what you're saying
You can get it wrong and still you think that it's alright
Think of what I'm saying
We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out



Splash

Nicholas Wrote: However it is possible for anyone of us to hold our light and navigate through the varying degrees of neurotic contributions, err on the side of compassion and supply factually based material (that includes anecdotal evidence to me). I believe part of the distrust with science is because the scientific way completely discards our intuitive guidance. Our mystic, or spiritual origins are met with disdain and derision from the scientific community.

Ra Wrote: Ra: The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled. (49.4)

Nicholas Wrote: So if, with enough faith we could collectively move mountains then we could also eradicate disease by recognising the connection between ourselves, the creation about us, and ultimately of course the Creator that made all things possible.



Hygiene was a huge step forward in prevention, we can agree on that, yet there still remains a "what is good for me is more important than what is good for us all" philosophy. Our socio/economic framework points to that. Ra also agree here.  

Nicholas Wrote: Where there is risk there needs to be choice. When discussions of mandatory vaccinations reach the public domain, is it not surprising that personal distortions are drawn to the surface?

Nicholas Wrote: Yes there are environmental issues here that encompass far more than the vaccine discussion, they are all related in one way or another. We cannot separate the individual from its environment any more than we can separate the body from the mind. Major research institutions however still persist in doing so.

Nicholas Wrote: I feel vaccines essentially buy us some time and it would be unwise to get caught up in the hive minded currents on either side of the pro/anti debate.

Ra Wrote:  In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.


The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

Nicholas Wrote: "up the yin-yang" lol (assuming I have interpreted you correctly here). Joking aside though my partner had this experience. She was taken to a mental hospital and I was asked to leave. She soon deteriorated so was held down and thoroughly yin-yanged! As I became more informed about schizophrenia and metaphysics I realised the depth of her isolation. This was the main reason I became emotionally charged on this issue a few pages back. Although not related to vaccinations as such, but very related to the invasiveness and infringement aspect.

(07-07-2015, 05:54 PM)Nicholas Wrote: Plenum posted a brilliant Quo'te recently on the vaccine subject  

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics.

(07-08-2015, 02:01 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-07-2015, 02:38 PM)metieta Wrote: In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics.

Toxins are poisons. But you don't want to see which poisons are being injected into your body?

I find this entire discussion absurd. We speak of lofty 4D ideals, yet still defend outdated medical practices which rely on introducing poisons into the the body complex. This is just too absurd for me.