(12-08-2018, 04:39 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I agree Agua, it is hard to seek spiritually.
I think I'm doing good enough to make harvest,
but I'm not sure if I'll become enlightened in this lifetime.
I had to go back to my full meds after I tried reducing,
because I became afraid of little things.

I'm not very spiritual, but I do meditate.
At least I don't have tons of stress.

(12-08-2018, 05:40 PM)flofrog Wrote: looking at the original question, was it somehow about  if you have the possibility to look at third density and sort of see the evolution of entities there ?   If that was the original question,  it's sort of a fun one to ask, but am not sure it would be possible,  because of abridging sacred space of each entity.  I am probably  wrong about the question direction anyway, so all apologies in advance redchartreuse

(11-28-2018, 11:00 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: I'm very curious to know... what do all these "spiritually asleep" people look like from the other side?  Are there just throngs of souls floating around in the universe that decide to have an incarnation whereby little to nothing is learned?  Why would a soul choose this?

More specifically, why would so many souls of the "spiritually asleep" choose to incarnate on this planet at this time?   I understand about how the end of the cycle brings with it so much potential... but again... if little to nothing is learned or gained from the incarnation, then why bother?

We talk here of the "sleeping masses"... but in the spiritual world these "masses" are not asleep...

Quote: if this is such a spiritually relevant time with the hierarchy of incarnations being given to those with the best chance of moving towards love/unity why are the masses not stirring?”

(12-08-2018, 04:39 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I agree Agua, it is hard to seek spiritually.
I think I'm doing good enough to make harvest,
but I'm not sure if I'll become enlightened in this lifetime.
I had to go back to my full meds after I tried reducing,
because I became afraid of little things.

I'm not very spiritual, but I do meditate.
At least I don't have tons of stress.

(12-09-2018, 09:20 AM)redchartreuse Wrote: As regards myself, I will ask you to consider that it is not helpful for you to be making judgments about my seeking, or my current station in the spiritual growth process.  Especially in a semi-public forum.

This is a forum, where we are using words to discuss spiritual topics.  It is not helpful for you to recommend "getting out of one's head" in a discussion forum. This is most definitely an appropriate place for people to intellectualize about spiritual concepts, and I'm sure with a little reflection, you would agree.

If the topic at hand is uncomfortable for you, I would suggest finding something more amenable to your own vibrations.

Moreover, I didn't ask for (nor do I require) your approval of the information I seek, nor did I ask for your advice on how to best grow spiritually, myself.  

I understand these can be difficult topics to navigate, what with all the psychological triggers and projections we have to contend with.  Still, if you are unwilling to stick to the topic at hand, and keep your personal judgments to yourself, then I will ask you to refrain from posting in threads that I start.

(12-08-2018, 04:42 PM)Glow Wrote: I was pointing out that I do not think RC was asking any questions that needed to state they were asleep as apposed to being awake to the level you think awake is.

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Anyone who is stirring  from slumber and starting down the path to discovery of the deeper connections beyond the physical is awakening and awake. Just because they have not fully awakened doesn’t mean they cannot feel the discomfort of their different-ness and wonder why they are on this path and most are not if according to Ra that is why we are here at this time.

(12-09-2018, 09:51 AM)redchartreuse Wrote: Also, according to Q'uo, the soul never chooses enlightenment as a goal for incarnation.  That is something that personalities decide for themselves while here.

(12-09-2018, 10:40 PM)Glow Wrote:

(12-09-2018, 09:51 AM)redchartreuse Wrote: Also, according to Q'uo, the soul never chooses enlightenment as a goal for incarnation.  That is something that personalities decide for themselves while here.

Just curious if you can driect me to a reference for this. I am having issues figuring our under what context that would be said. Surely enlightenment(steadily increasing the light/truth we can carry/live/channel) is the goal of all spiritual seeking. Perhaps it is the context I am not understanding.

Quote:G: Q’uo, I have one. Is the achievement of what we call enlightenment something that is planned pre-incarnationally or can the entity, with sufficient will and without such a pre-incarnational program, achieve the experience of enlightenment within the incarnation?

We are those of Q’uo, and aware of your query, my brother. In our estimation, there is not the pre-incarnative planning for enlightenment, realization or satori. The pre-incarnative planning focuses on that which shall be sought within the incarnation and those supporting resources needed for the journey of seeking. The pre-incarnative planning includes your relationships, your gifts, your limitations, and what you see as your faults and lacks. From an enormous selection of things that you have been and things that you have done in previous incarnations, you choose for your palette the colors which will paint this lifetime in the most beautiful and useful way.

You wish to have a beautiful incarnation in that you wish to create a sacred journey, a journey which partakes of beauty—ethical beauty, physical beauty, mental and emotional beauty, awareness of beauty. You plan these things for yourself. You wish to be useful, and so you choose for yourself ways in which you may serve, either by being or by doing. And because you also wish to evolve, you plan for yourself incarnational lessons that come up again and again, so that you may practice.

Generally, in an incarnation entities are looking to balance love with wisdom, wisdom with power, or some variety of two or three of those three aspects of the godhead principle: love, light and power. Realization, on the other hand, is that moment out of time, or more accurately, in time/space, when an entity is able to realize and therefore move all of himself through the gateway to intelligent infinity so that he, in the most holistic sense, may be inspirited by or be filled with the truth.

There are those who have moments of such realization and yet those moments pass. And there are those who enter that gateway of intelligent infinity never to return, in the sense that the impact of perfection is so powerful that a choice is made to live the life in this awareness even though, shall we say, the wiring of an entity living at this level of energy will burn out the physical body. It is not the goal of the higher self or the self outside incarnation to achieve realization. That is an object of desire which is chosen by those within incarnation and within that veil [of forgetting] which prevents them from knowing that all is truly one.

In terms of your soul-self, shall we say, or the self outside of incarnation, you see the incarnative period as a period of work; work on your balance and work to the service of the one infinite Creator. Outside of the veil, things look different enough that realization seems like the steady state and the incarnation is that wonderful time of unknowing when the entity sets about on the journey of faith.

(12-09-2018, 09:47 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: Hi Tae-

No worries.  I think if you take a closer look at what I wrote there, it was making an if... then statement to establish a boundary.  I didn't ask Agua to stop posting at this time, and I'm more than happy to continue discussing so long as we do not stray again into speculation about my own evolutionary status, as compared to others.

As has also been pointed out, we cannot tell anything about an individual's spiritual station from looking at the exterior, or perhaps even the energy, of a person from the outside.  It is an exercise in futility.

However, we do know from Q'uos teachings that there is a large group of people who exist in the "sinkhole of indifference" and who continue to refuse to make a choice, the making of which is the main point of incarnating at this time.  We also know, according to others of Q'uos teachings, that those selfsame souls, along with the rest of us, are those who stand to be most likely to grow in this environment.   Finally, I think we may also safely presume that, for one who has not yet made the choice, that there is no further growth and spiritual work available to them until that choice has been made.

My intent with this thread is to discuss that group as a totality, and not any individuals, or myself in relation to such an individual.  So that would be the off-topic part.

The question is around what the souls comprising that group might be like from outside the illusion.  I hope that helps clear things up.

(12-09-2018, 10:49 PM)Glow Wrote: In that regard personally I look at the as within, so without, as above, so below parallel of humanity = one self.

We are not fully enlightened(solved for) so the body of us as a totality will also likely carry shadow.
I am not sure that came across right so in another way.

If as an individuated self we are only 60%(which would be high) distortion/shadow/illusion free, that leaves 40% of self carrying varying portions of distortion/shadow/illusion.

Quote:Also consider that darkness is used as catalyst to bring further light, those sleeping some at least may very well be serving a purpose as catalyst to awaken/enlighten the remaining theoretical 40%.

(12-19-2018, 02:42 PM)Cyan Wrote: Nothing quite like a good booty nap.

(12-19-2018, 02:49 PM)Cyan Wrote: Seems the gravity of those working elevates those not working, its like hangliding in a good wind generated by reverse windmills, you know windmills that spin to generate wind.